34 replies to this topic

[InnerSphereNews]

Hey MechWarriors!

We've got another set of Champion Mech's we'd like your help making builds for!
They can all be found in the Champion Mech Build subforum here!

We're looking for your help in building the following Champions:

Wolf Hound Champion Build

Phoenix Hawk Champion Build

Warhammer Champion Build

Mauler Champion Build

Adder Champion Build

Nova Champion Build

Hellbringer Champion Build

Kodiak Champion Build

Keep in mind when posting your builds to be New Player Friendly!
Even if you don't have a build you'd like to share, come check them out anyway to contribute your vote to the builds you like best!

Thank you for your contribution!

[Dee Eight]

Can we get it clarified if you want NEW PLAYER FRIENDLY builds as a priority before folks go pumping out designs to fit the current meta which might become invalid by the time the champions are released in a future patch.

[Gas Guzzler]

Dee Eight, on 13 January 2017 - 02:49 PM, said:

Can we get it clarified if you want NEW PLAYER FRIENDLY builds as a priority before folks go pumping out designs to fit the current meta which might become invalid by the time the champions are released in a future patch.

Should new players not be given effective builds to help the learn the game?

[Anunknownlurker]

"effective" isn't necessarily the same as "new player friendly". Gauss/ERPPC is very effective but I wouldn't say it's easy for new players.

[Cy Mitchell]

Can you use the omni-pods for the Loyalty and/or the Hero? Or are you restricted to using only the pods from the bases variants or the base variants and reinforcements, if applicable. I am guessing that it is only the chassis and pods that are currently available for c-bills.

[Rogue Jedi]

Dee Eight, on 13 January 2017 - 02:49 PM, said:

Can we get it clarified if you want NEW PLAYER FRIENDLY builds as a priority before folks go pumping out designs to fit the current meta which might become invalid by the time the champions are released in a future patch.

agreed, I believe new player freindly does not mean ineffective, but it does mean there should be an opertunity to try all weapon systems (Clan and IS ACs, missiles, lasers) and a variaty of playstyles (brawlers, long range fire support, mid range fire support ect.) accross the 8 chassis

Gas Guzzler, on 13 January 2017 - 02:55 PM, said:

Should new players not be given effective builds to help the learn the game?

yes they should, however they also need variaty (not just lasers and ac10 spam) to get a feel for the diferant weapon types and playstyles

Edited by Rogue Jedi, 13 January 2017 - 02:59 PM.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Rampage, on 13 January 2017 - 02:57 PM, said:

Can you use the omni-pods for the Loyalty and/or the Hero? Or are you restricted to using only the pods from the bases variants or the base variants and reinforcements, if applicable. I am guessing that it is only the chassis and pods that are currently available for c-bills.

No. Why would they build free Mechs cobbled from pay-only bits? That would put a sour taste in someone's mouth when they try to build one with their cbill-purchased Mechs.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 13 January 2017 - 03:04 PM.

[Dee Eight]

Hero pods would not be available as they cannot be purchased except with the hero chassis, and likewise Hero variants cannot be used for champion builds (PGI is not about to do a +30% XP AND +30% C-bill bonus mech).

As to new player friendly...they apparently have said in the individual champion thread postings that they're to be used mainly for new players (so trials mech rotation). Of course this also for the various chassis which already have hero's means we may see mastery bundles with those mechs soon after the champions are released in what should be the march or april patch.

While some of the last round of champions WERE new player friendly... several were not...and that had critical threads afterwards with many questioning why they got voted in, since everyone who took part clearly had to know they'd become trial mechs, and thus not necessarily be good for new players to the game. Tina at the time said they'd put greater emphasis on ensuring future champion builds would be new player friendly.

from the individual posting for the kodiak...

Hello MechWarriors!
We've got another set of Champion Mech's we'd like your help making builds for!
Keep in mind these will mostly be used by new playersl!

Please submit your build for the Kodiak Champion!

Post your build using Smurfy Mechlab, with whichever variant you'd like.
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab
Remember to click the Like button at the bottom of other posted builds for your favorites!
The top 3 voted builds will be taken into a separate discussion thread which our designer will then later review your discussions and debates on it to make the final call as to which is the best of the 3 to implement.


Thank you very much again for your contribution!

[stealthraccoon]

I think you spelled "Urbanmech" wrong....

Edited by stealthraccoon, 13 January 2017 - 03:17 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Rogue Jedi, on 13 January 2017 - 02:59 PM, said:

yes they should, however they also need variaty (not just lasers and ac10 spam) to get a feel for the diferant weapon types and playstyles

Oh well if we can't use lasers and AC10s then there isn't any good build we can give them.

/sarcasm

There's nothing wrong with variety, but we shouldn't be encouraging objectively bad playstyles on new players.

[Mechwarrior4670152]

Gas Guzzler, on 13 January 2017 - 03:27 PM, said:

There's nothing wrong with variety, but we shouldn't be encouraging objectively bad playstyles on new players.

Objectively bad is relative though

We are going to have these champions for a long time, and 'good builds' change often

Almost every (C) mech out there uses what was once a 'meta' build.

How many of them are still good?

I'd say let's try to give these (C) mechs builds that help teach the game mechanics.

Not give them today's meta.

[Gas Guzzler]

Wence the Wanderer, on 13 January 2017 - 03:31 PM, said:

Objectively bad is relative though

We are going to have these champions for a long time, and 'good builds' change often

Almost every (C) mech out there uses what was once a 'meta' build.

How many of them are still good?

I'd say let's try to give these (C) mechs builds that help teach the game mechanics.

Not give them today's meta.

So rather than give them what might not be so great anymore in a few months, we want to give them what is not good now, and won't be good in the future either? How does giving them bad builds teach them game mechanics any better than giving them good builds?

[Crotch RockIt]

Gas Guzzler, on 13 January 2017 - 03:35 PM, said:

So rather than give them what might not be so great anymore in a few months, we want to give them what is not good now, and won't be good in the future either? How does giving them bad builds teach them game mechanics any better than giving them good builds?

He's asking for variety, not bad builds. SRM brawler. SPL brawler. Dakka boat. Laser vomit. Gauss vomit. Gauss/PPC. LRM boat.

[Dee Eight]

Gas Guzzler, on 13 January 2017 - 03:35 PM, said:

So rather than give them what might not be so great anymore in a few months, we want to give them what is not good now, and won't be good in the future either? How does giving them bad builds teach them game mechanics any better than giving them good builds?

I'm not going through the thread to verify if you participated or not but...

https://mwomercs.com...-its-our-fault/

This is after the last series of champions came into rotation.

[Carl Vickers]

You can only build for the current meta, can someone please predict for me what the meta will be in 6-12 months?

Thats why you build for the current meta.

[AnimeFreak40K]

Gas Guzzler, on 13 January 2017 - 03:35 PM, said:

So rather than give them what might not be so great anymore in a few months, we want to give them what is not good now, and won't be good in the future either? How does giving them bad builds teach them game mechanics any better than giving them good builds?

No, you give them builds that *work* and that are *good enough*

You need to look at it from the perspective that people who have NEVER EVER EVER EVER touched this game before EVER can jump in and do "good enough" right away, because these are the mechs that they *will* be using in QP and FW until they have enough C-Bills to buy their own mechs.

To a lesser degree, these mechs should be "good enough" such that someone who is experienced can do reasonably well with them in the event that they try to jump in FW and find that they don't have the right mechs on-hand (tonnage, faction, whatever) and are then forced to rely on trials.

That means you want something mediocre...very middle of the road. Not trash, but not great either. Something that just, well, works.


Look, the fact of the matter is that far too many meta mechs require knowledge and experience of the game as a whole to be effective. They also almost always assume that the pilot has Mastered said mech as well.

This is why when putting builds together one must consider the target audience and primary user of this mech. That means, it should be a build that you find fun, enjoyable and is easy enough to wrap one's head around quickly.

Carl Vickers, on 13 January 2017 - 04:16 PM, said:

You can only build for the current meta, can someone please predict for me what the meta will be in 6-12 months? Thats why you build for the current meta.

And this is another great point. I watch people point and laugh at "those noobs bringing trials" to a match (FW, group or whatever), completely forgetting that many of the Trial/Champion mechs were designed by this very community...based on the meta and what was "good" at that time. Those times have changed and those builds aren't as good as they once were.

Edited by AnimeFreak40K, 13 January 2017 - 04:25 PM.

[Carl Vickers]

AnimeFreak40K, on 13 January 2017 - 04:22 PM, said:

Look, the fact of the matter is that far too many meta mechs require knowledge and experience of the game as a whole to be effective. They also almost always assume that the pilot has Mastered said mech as well.

This is why when putting builds together one must consider the target audience and primary user of this mech. That means, it should be a build that you find fun, enjoyable and is easy enough to wrap one's head around quickly.

So for the Kodiak champion build Im going to assume its a KDK-3 with UAC's?

Oh my, that is going to help the newbies and game all at the same time 'shudders'.

[AnimeFreak40K]

Carl Vickers, on 13 January 2017 - 04:26 PM, said:

So for the Kodiak champion build Im going to assume its a KDK-3 with UAC's? Oh my, that is going to help the newbies and game all at the same time 'shudders'.

Sure, why not?

[Carl Vickers]

AnimeFreak40K, on 13 January 2017 - 04:43 PM, said:

Sure, why not?

Giving new players a mech that is clearly OP and inflates their numbers is good for the game how? It teaches them and gets them ready for what?

Whilst a lot of the champion builds arent great anymore, they are still objectively better than their original form which is lore builds, we all know how good lore builds work in this game (sorry Restolll).

[Jman5]

The lack of AMS equipped builds I'm seeing from this community is a travesty. These are builds for new players. They cannot equip Radar deprivation even if they wanted to. LRMs are notoriously frustrating for new players and you guys are depriving them of a critical tool in mitigating that frustration a little.