Does The Huntsman Actually Deserve The Nerfs?
#1
Posted 23 January 2017 - 02:23 PM
From my experience, the arms come of VERY easily, and the side torsos aren't much better. Running at least some torso weapons feels mandatory if you want the mech to have any semblance of staying power (especially in a brawl), and twisting was one of the few means the mech had to defend it's garbage hitboxes and so you go and nerf that?
And how does the HBK-IIC being OP at jump sniping mean you should go and nerf an inferior mech?
You should have at least given the mech some arm armor quirks or something to compensate. You just made most builds of the mech crappy without making the crappy arm-only builds any better.
#2
Posted 23 January 2017 - 02:27 PM
Don't question it, just accept the cold, hard truth.
#3
Posted 23 January 2017 - 02:33 PM
#4
Posted 23 January 2017 - 02:38 PM
Though, as to whether it deserved it... probably not.
#5
Posted 23 January 2017 - 02:46 PM
Promessa, on 23 January 2017 - 02:40 PM, said:
That will change. The Huntsman will be out for C-Bills in a couple of weeks.
#6
Posted 23 January 2017 - 02:50 PM
#7
Posted 23 January 2017 - 02:53 PM
And now people forget it's even in the game until it shows up in patch notes.
Oh, MWO Playerbase. You are amuse.
#8
Posted 23 January 2017 - 02:56 PM
Promessa, on 23 January 2017 - 02:40 PM, said:
That's because the Hunchback IIC does most of the same things, for free.
#9
Posted 23 January 2017 - 03:05 PM
1453 R, on 23 January 2017 - 02:53 PM, said:
And now people forget it's even in the game until it shows up in patch notes.
Oh, MWO Playerbase. You are amuse.
Uh, if it's not available for C-bills, you cannot see the full effect (just like the Summoner-loyalty omnipods).
I look at this preemptive strike for something that hasn't actually manifested yet, because the superior alternative is already available for C-bills (the HBK-IIC-A).
Edited by Deathlike, 23 January 2017 - 03:05 PM.
#10
Posted 23 January 2017 - 03:07 PM
Deathlike, on 23 January 2017 - 03:05 PM, said:
Uh, if it's not available for C-bills, you cannot see the full effect (just like the Summoner-loyalty omnipods).
I look at this preemptive strike for something that hasn't actually manifested yet, because the superior alternative is already available for C-bills (the HBK-IIC-A).
Marauder IIC isn't out for C-bills and won't be for months. It's already considered to've obsoleted every single Clan assault 'Mech in the game that isn't a KDK-3. The C-bill excuse is a thin one; the Huntsman simply isn't the be-all end-all Ultimate 50-ton Weapons Platform everyone was certain it would be, methinks. It's good, but it ain't no Stormcrow.
#11
Posted 23 January 2017 - 03:21 PM
1453 R, on 23 January 2017 - 03:07 PM, said:
That was not that hard. All the Clan Assaults were widely considered sub par and infereior to the IS choices until the Kodiak came out and turned that on its head. A lot of people are still leveling the Marauder IIC and they are showing up on the battlefield quite a bit right now. That will decrease as the newer Mechs come in.
The Huntsman it more versatile than the Stormcrow and can fill a lot more roles.
#12
Posted 23 January 2017 - 03:22 PM
1453 R, on 23 January 2017 - 03:07 PM, said:
When the "Huntsman craze" was over, it was self-evident that it wasn't popular by the masses. So, relative to a lot of things, the Huntsman didn't have the lasting power that the Hunchback-IIC-A had.
The difference is that something like the Summoner-Loyalty variants (particularly omnipods) has had a limited release, but anyone who owns them are using them as much as they can (outside of leagues, which are banned for another 9 months at least).
The Marauder-IIC has already more staying power due to having JJs... something most Clan Assaults suck at using (Maruader-IIC has Victor-level JJs, which are still far and away superior than the Hoverjets™ of the Executioner, Dire Wolf, and Hoverlander-IIC).
Edited by Deathlike, 23 January 2017 - 03:22 PM.
#13
Posted 23 January 2017 - 03:37 PM
#14
Posted 23 January 2017 - 03:44 PM
1453 R, on 23 January 2017 - 03:37 PM, said:
YOu wouldn't know it by the QQ me and Pariah got in Scouting over it. We dropped with CK16 and slapped around some GRF/Pxide lances and the QQ...
"It's such bullcrap dude! You got EIGHT SRM racks....."
Which is doubly funny as the 8 SRM build really isn't very good....and Pariah and I both were running 4xSRM6/4x SPL HMNs..... I I believe CK was alternating between Shadowcats and Vipers.
Used in it's niche, it's a solid performer, I have found, but no, it's not a world beater. HBK is a better Pop/Peektart (the Scat is questionable... sure seems hot with 2x ERPPC), Nova is defintely better suited for PewPew Vomit.
And outside of Scouting the SCrow probably is the better SRM mech, overall...though the ability to sink SRMs is superior and simpler, IMO, with the HMN. And of course..sometimes, JJs are nice, which the Crow can't do.
So yeah. Viable, but probably not Optimal. I'm OK with that. I prefer not to run what the meta masses sheeple off to, anyhow. I'm sad that reputation is hung around my GRFs neck, now.
#15
Posted 23 January 2017 - 03:57 PM
Bishop Steiner, on 23 January 2017 - 03:44 PM, said:
Kinda ironic that both the Griffin and the Vindicator are probably better off splat brawling (if the Vindi got an extra missile hardpoint or two) than they are at PPC poptarting.
#16
Posted 23 January 2017 - 03:58 PM
Bishop Steiner, on 23 January 2017 - 03:44 PM, said:
YOu wouldn't know it by the QQ me and Pariah got in Scouting over it. We dropped with CK16 and slapped around some GRF/Pxide lances and the QQ...
"It's such bullcrap dude! You got EIGHT SRM racks....."
Which is doubly funny as the 8 SRM build really isn't very good....and Pariah and I both were running 4xSRM6/4x SPL HMNs..... I I believe CK was alternating between Shadowcats and Vipers.
Used in it's niche, it's a solid performer, I have found, but no, it's not a world beater. HBK is a better Pop/Peektart (the Scat is questionable... sure seems hot with 2x ERPPC), Nova is defintely better suited for PewPew Vomit.
And outside of Scouting the SCrow probably is the better SRM mech, overall...though the ability to sink SRMs is superior and simpler, IMO, with the HMN. And of course..sometimes, JJs are nice, which the Crow can't do.
So yeah. Viable, but probably not Optimal. I'm OK with that. I prefer not to run what the meta masses sheeple off to, anyhow. I'm sad that reputation is hung around my GRFs neck, now.
Frankly I'm not really familiar with an 8M Huntsman configuration that isn't realistically bettered by, or at least equal to, the 6M/3E fit you can do with the P and C pods, minus Pakhet. Heh, frankly one of the reasons I really want ATMs in/to not suck is a 6x ATM-3 fit I've got with P arms and C STs that looks like it'd be a great GP funboat for quick play.
But yeah. It's not going to beat the Stormcrow at being a Stormcrow, the Nova at being a Nova, or the Viper at being a Viper. it's as close as the Clans really get to a bland trooper-style 'Mech...which is only right and just, given its reason for existing in the first place.
#17
Posted 23 January 2017 - 04:36 PM
Quicksilver Kalasa, on 23 January 2017 - 03:57 PM, said:
Tell me about it.
Sadly.... one of my all time favorite stock Mechs is the GRF-2N, but it's silly to arm it that way in MWO (not terrible in Stock Matches..but not great, either)
When Griffins and VNDs first dropped I drove the heck out of them. Still like my 1AA and SIB.... but.... they just....
Oh well. Am hoping this talk from Russ about revisiting hardpoints on older units..... maybe will get my VNDs their badly missing extra missile slot.
#18
Posted 23 January 2017 - 04:36 PM
I was watching some MWLL videos last night and thought, wow, those are MECHs. They take a beating before the armor fails. MWO should play like that.
Also... I looked at the Bushwhacker video and as you might suspect from looking at it, the arms explode from taking too many hits, especially the right arm. All the Bushwhackers in the battle quickly had no right arms. Oh well. MWO needs alot tougher mechs, silly PGI never fixed it.
Edited by Lightfoot, 23 January 2017 - 04:41 PM.
#19
Posted 23 January 2017 - 04:38 PM
1453 R, on 23 January 2017 - 03:58 PM, said:
But yeah. It's not going to beat the Stormcrow at being a Stormcrow, the Nova at being a Nova, or the Viper at being a Viper. it's as close as the Clans really get to a bland trooper-style 'Mech...which is only right and just, given its reason for existing in the first place.
When the P Pods hit for Cbills, I greatly look forward to stinkfists for my HMN. IDK what it is...but I LOVE mechs with quad SRM4/6s in their arms.... the look, the easier tracking of lights.... But the torso weaponry..... a PPC? UAC10? LB10X? Decisions.....
#20
Posted 23 January 2017 - 04:41 PM
Bishop Steiner, on 23 January 2017 - 04:38 PM, said:
Nah nah nah.
Three cMPLs, for picking off components weakened but not quite finished off by the SRMs. You can get 6M/3E, so use 6M. And 3E.
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