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[Snazzy Dragon]

BurningDesire, on 27 January 2017 - 07:48 PM, said:

except the c variant which can do it with 1 less laser, i fail to see how 1 extra small laser or flamer is p2w

head armor max hp- 33

5spl = 30 damage

6spl = 36 damage

nuff said

[Mcgral18]

BurningDesire, on 27 January 2017 - 07:48 PM, said:

except the c variant which can do it with 1 less laser, i fail to see how 1 extra small laser or flamer is p2w

Snazzy Dragon, on 27 January 2017 - 07:53 PM, said:

head armor max hp- 33

5spl = 30 damage

6spl = 36 damage

nuff said

Sword and Boarding as well, just don't lose the wrong side
Laser placement is a thing, but not exactly game breaking with the Medusa. It just has the best arms, complete with quirks


C was superior, with the now removed quirk. Medusa can have full agility quirks, while the C cannot, while still mounting 9 hardpoints.

Edited by Mcgral18, 27 January 2017 - 08:25 PM.

[NighthawK1337]

Quirk balancing are also affected by how many people use them. The fact that it's unchanged must mean something....

Oh yeah that's right, nobody uses the stock Purifier arms. I own a Purifier and I replaced the arms the moment It released with C variant arms for the ECM and Lasers.

The Purifier was bought for the side torso energy hardpoints, not for the MG quirks in the arms.

If maybe it had more than 1 Ballistic hardpoint in the arms, but ECM (and AMS for people like me) is too good to pass up.
I don't even put MGs anymore since just having 2 that low mounted is bad.

Boating MGs with the S STs, C Left Arm and PR Right arm is probably the most optimal way to maximize the Purifier MG quirks. but really? Who in their right mind would build that?


P2W is pay to WIN.

Purifier is pay-not-to-be-****. It's aimed at Kitfox lovers, not meta tryhards.

[BurningDesire]

Snazzy Dragon, on 27 January 2017 - 07:53 PM, said:

head armor max hp- 33

5spl = 30 damage

6spl = 36 damage

nuff said

i can cram 8spl on any variant with full armor. if the A variant torsos where on the medusa only then i might agree with you. but everything short of srms the C variant is better

[Gas Guzzler]

Appogee, on 27 January 2017 - 02:01 PM, said:

They used to be good at treading that fine line, but they have slipped in the past year.

The Heroes for Warhammer, Marauder and Jenner come to mind. The omnipods available from the Dire Whale, Viper and Summoners also cross the P2W line in my view.

It's a shame to see them give up on their principles with decisions like these. I know they have to make money, but the P2W path is a poor way to do it.

I've also noticed that in many of the new packs they put the more interesting/useful variants that have either ECM, jump jets, higher engine caps etc in the 'reinforcement' pack to try and gouge another $20 on top of the already fairly steep base pack price.

The best mechs in the game are free... I'd rather not give up unique hero variants just because people get upset that someone gets access to something different if they pay money.

Marauder/Warhammer/Dire Wolf/Viper do something different, but aren't strictly better. Summoner... is it really P2W once the loyalty pods are released? Jenner.... well the Oxide was great, but now its pretty mediocre like the rest of the Jenners.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 27 January 2017 - 08:02 PM.

[Neput Z34]

Calling the current state of the game "Pay to Win" is slightly inaccurate, it's more along the lines of "meta monetiazation".

If you wish to have a meta/ competitive build or a build that "Sucks Less" :

1○ Buy a Mech pack
2○ Enjoy easy wins, due to "Balanced Design"
3○ Gets Nerfed as soon as it is available for C-bills
4○ Rinse and Repeat.

Examples: ER Large Las. - Clan Wave 1, Arctic Cheetah - Clan Wave 3, Kodiak, Marauder-IIC,etc.

[Mcgral18]

bakuhatsutekinageri, on 27 January 2017 - 08:32 PM, said:

Sorry you are completely wrong. The definition is; special or downloadable content that gives players a significant advantage over those you play for free". Note the words "significant" and "advantage". The kitfox lost its MG quirks, like many other mechs, because MGs got buffed. The purifier was likely supposed to lose them to but PGI made a mistake as they often do. However the key point is that no good KFX build uses MGs so the change/mistake is insignificant. Furthermore the KFX is a low ranked mech and the purifier is completely outclassed by many cbill available lights. Therefore the purifier does not meat the definition of pay-to-win in any way.

You are wrong, because the Cute Fox torso lasers give you a massive advantage over any non-torso laser Cute Fox

"But the Cheetah is bettah!" isn't a valid excuse, it's the only reason there aren't riots.

[Mcgral18]

bakuhatsutekinageri, on 27 January 2017 - 08:35 PM, said:

regardless the medusa is still an inferior mech to the best ones available for cbills. It doesn't matter if it is unique, the only thing that matters is whether buying it will give you a higher chance to win over someone who only uses cbill mechs. And as the medusa in no way ranks anywhere near the top tier mediums it is not pay to win/

But it's not inferior

It's superior. It's the best Light mech in the game!

[Andi Nagasia]

FuzzyNZ, on 27 January 2017 - 01:44 PM, said:

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but you guys nerf'ed the Kit Fox C's Machine Gun ROF? But didn't nerf the Purifier's +20% Machine Gun ROF?

Purifier seems clearly a better mech, but only a select few can obtain it?

GG PGI!

well if you want to make do with that Buff as best you can(as they are locked to its Arms)
you will be locked to 4MGs max(LA, LT, RT, RA), or 3MG, 2PPcs, and those are without ECM, on a 97kph Light,

[Y E O N N E]

bakuhatsutekinageri, on 27 January 2017 - 08:38 PM, said:

There is no situation in MWO where you are forced to use kitfoxes and as such it doesn't matter if the purifier is the best kitfox or not. In any form of the game, QP, FW or comp there are better options available whether you are restricted to clan, IS or even 30 tons.

That argument is a two-edged sword. Because there is no situation in MWO where you are forced to bring anything, you have effectively baited players into bringing 'Mechs they might not know are trash to get clubbed by people who do know.

[Andi Nagasia]

Mcgral18, on 27 January 2017 - 08:37 PM, said:

But it's not inferior

It's superior. It's the best Light mech in the game!

ACH? ya thats the Premiere light,
nothing like the Viper, same Speed, same Tonnage, but Larger with no ECM,
O we where talking about the Viper being the best Light? well um its ok,

[l33tworks]

Snazzy Dragon, on 27 January 2017 - 02:00 PM, said:

My favorite was the UAC5 blanket nerf and the buff to cUAC2s-- along with the ultraviolet hero becoming available.

No need for the 4UAC5 king crab-- make room for the 8 UAC2 dire wolf, please.

Rofl do you know how **** 8uac2 dires are? Worse than 6uac2 ones are and they are pretty terrible. The Ultraviolet is just a novelty and not worth even buying let alone p2w. You dont do a lot of winning in one.

p.s herores having slight situational build advantage is ok IMO. Im amazed at how little pay2win this game is.

Edited by l33tworks, 27 January 2017 - 08:47 PM.

[Cy Mitchell]

Yeonne Greene, on 27 January 2017 - 08:40 PM, said:

That argument is a two-edged sword. Because there is no situation in MWO where you are forced to bring anything, you have effectively baited players into bringing 'Mechs they might not know are trash to get clubbed by people who do know.

So, are you saying now that because players have bought a Hero Mech they thought was Pay 2 Win and found out it wasn't that they somehow got duped? And in a game that professes and strives not to be Pay 2 Win?

[Y E O N N E]

Rampage, on 27 January 2017 - 08:59 PM, said:

So, are you saying now that because players have bought a Hero Mech they thought was Pay 2 Win and found out it wasn't that they somehow got duped? And in a game that professes and strives not to be Pay 2 Win?

No, because a 'Mech being crap is not a unique phenomenon to Heroes. If all 'Mechs were equally useful, or near enough, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

At any rate, you and baku are only looking at the broad game when, in fact, a match in MWO is a series of smaller engagements. If my MLX loses its small engagement with the enemy MLX purely because I don't have the hero, that hero is P2W. If you want a dramatic example that's already in the game, look no further than the Loyalty pods on the Summoner; the redeeming thing here is that those will eventually come out for C-bills, making it not permanently P2W.

Edited by Yeonne Greene, 27 January 2017 - 09:25 PM.

[Sorbic]

While the Purifier might put out more damage I'd argue the support version of the KF is more likely to help one win.

[SteelMantis]

I am happy with the IS heroes. Most of the time I feel like they are a little bit weaker than a c-bill variant and are a fair trade off for the bonus c-bills.

I'm a little concerned about clan heroes though. As long as they have a c-bill bonus and custom paint job I'm happy but if any of the pods are better than any of the pods available to free players I don't like them.

It's not a big deal but the first batch of clan heroes gets a thumbs down in my opinion.

[TWIAFU]

FuzzyNZ, on 27 January 2017 - 01:44 PM, said:

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but you guys nerf'ed the Kit Fox C's Machine Gun ROF? But didn't nerf the Purifier's +20% Machine Gun ROF?

Purifier seems clearly a better mech, but only a select few can obtain it?

GG PGI!

Yep, P2W all the way.

MG are now the ultra meta and clearly worth the salty tears and that MG are now the weapon system that 'confirmed' P2W.

In other "alternate fact" news, 2+2 does equal 5.

[KuroNyra]

So a few premium version are "by the theory" better than the Free version... So why do I keep seeing Free version and almost no "OMFG OP P2W" version when I play?

[Mystere]

Meh!

[Sjorpha]

TWIAFU, on 28 January 2017 - 04:22 AM, said:

In other "alternate fact" news, 2+2 does equal 5.

Under uniform distribution, 2 plus 2 equals 5 12.5% of the time.