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[PhoenixFire55]

With total disregard of the OP it does seem that 9 out of 10 lights even in high tier matches have zero clue on how to actually fight another light and either only try to run away from such a fight or die within mere seconds in a light duel. Just sad is all.

[Besh]

Dean, on 29 January 2017 - 10:21 PM, said:

so I would like to know Why light mechs don't fight other light mechs? They seem to run around and cherry pick on the slower mechs and that tells me that the people who pilot the light mechs are back stabbing ****** and of low skill level who don't want a challenge. These same light mechs won't cap on conquest mode, and after I post this I suppose some moron will post I do this or I do that, talk all you want but drop into any game and see light mechs act like parasites it takes away from the game and for me makes the game very unpleasant to play. What say you?

When your optimal weapon range is 110 -165 (IS SP/S Lazors ), and your only chance to do meaningfull dmg. is getting THAT close to the enemy, and when you have paper as armor, and you need to stay on the move constantly as to not get one shotted....it takes something else than cowardice to go ahead and pilot that 'Mech to where you can effectively "backstab" someone - or do any meaningfull dmg. for that matter .

Edited by Besh, 30 January 2017 - 12:47 AM.

[Kaeb Odellas]

1 v 1 light duels are just not a very good idea. You either get rained on by enemy LRMs or blindsided by a new arrival.

[Pjwned]

Dean, on 29 January 2017 - 10:21 PM, said:

so I would like to know Why light mechs don't fight other light mechs? They seem to run around and cherry pick on the slower mechs and that tells me that the people who pilot the light mechs are back stabbing ****** and of low skill level who don't want a challenge. These same light mechs won't cap on conquest mode, and after I post this I suppose some moron will post I do this or I do that, talk all you want but drop into any game and see light mechs act like parasites it takes away from the game and for me makes the game very unpleasant to play. What say you?

Have you ever even tried focusing on other light mechs as a light mech? I'm sure you haven't, so I'll tell you it's a pain in the *** because they don't have enough tonnage to carry much besides SRMs & lasers, which spread their damage all over the place already and the damage spread is even worse against small & fast targets i.e light mechs.

If you have a bunch of small pulse lasers then it's not so bad, but otherwise it sucks and anyways lights are better at dealing with whiny assault scrublord pilots who get caught out...like you for example clearly.

Also git gud, or if you can't git gud then just pilot a skillcrow with a bunch of C-SSRM6.

[Mcgral18]

Kaeb Odellas, on 30 January 2017 - 12:23 AM, said:

1 v 1 light duels are just not a very good idea. You either get rained on by enemy LRMs or blindsided by a new arrival.

And even without any outside intervention, your alphas and speed will be nearly identical

Assuming similar skill, you'll both wind up crippled before one of you dies, especially because of the short range
Heavier mechs have the chance to poke without retaliation, rarer at short range (without overwhelming firepower)

[roboPrancer]

Lights are very opportunistic fighters. The one thing that they have going for them is that they can usually choose to engage or not. It makes sense for them to be probing the enemy lines to see where they can do the most damage.

It doesn't make any sense for them to enter into an engagement where they don't have a decided advantage. So for a light pilot to decide to dogfight other lights around the battlefield where they have no idea the outcome, and have a chance of any number of unknown factors going wrong for them unexpectedly, would be very bad tactics.

[Old-dirty B]

Dean, on 29 January 2017 - 10:21 PM, said:

so I would like to know Why light mechs don't fight other light mechs? They seem to run around and cherry pick on the slower mechs and that tells me that the people who pilot the light mechs are back stabbing ****** and of low skill level who don't want a challenge.

Not sure if you have been backstabbed by or that you are a light pilot as well looking to fight other lights, i assume the latter ("Why light mechs don't fight other light mechs").

I will plain out admit my "sins", i'm a light pilot, a locust pilot and a backstabbing mech murderer... Thats what i do, at least "try to do", because its far from easy!
I mainly use a Locust 1E, thats 6x SPL with the shortest range and no ECM. To be effective you need to get really close to the enemy with the least durable mech in the game that can be one-shotted easily. Getting behind enemy unnoticed, staying in the enemies blind spot, while you pick them apart and get away when things get hairy is a real challenge.
Also, good light pilots tend to avoid fighting other good light pilots as the fight will mostly be real messy, one of the two won't make it and the survivor will be severely damaged... both want to avoid that. From my experience this usually happens only when two lights "accidentally" meet each other on the battlefield and there's no good way out of that fight. I do fight lights, but ONLY on my terms, that is an ambush... where im fully aware of the location of my "prey" and whats around him/me so that i can sneak up and take the light out real quick...

No good light pilot will ever just walk up on someone and announce the fight... thats Atlas's business

[JudauAshta]

Kaeb Odellas, on 30 January 2017 - 12:23 AM, said:

1 v 1 light duels are just not a very good idea. You either get rained on by enemy LRMs or blindsided by a new arrival.

not to mention those jenners can crit you very easily in lights.

[LordNothing]

it takes skill to pilot a light well, meanwhile lerm boat heavies sit in the back and go "tedlede hold locks support mech durr" all day and campers that camp until their team is dead at ranges that only give them the smallest of scratch. heavies and to a lesser degree mediums are easy mode. assaults demand a lot of forward planning, and lights rwquire lightning fast reflexes, both require super human situational awareness. i have little sympathy for mechs that get back shat by lights. was in a dire wolf today, just lost a torso to lerms when a locust comes up for the kill. i slam my jumpjet stomp my pedal and fire an alpha, boom dead locust. the first step to that victory was is knowing a locust is there (always assume one is there, hince stay with your team, watch your hud, and move your torso a lot, and if you get damage you cant explain pop a uav).

i also pilot lights and know that there are very few light mechs that can instantly gib a mech on the first shot, unless its some try hard who thinks that 4 points in the rear is enough (jenner iic <3, though i admit its also a good way to git dead if you dont kill it on the first salvo). so the first one is usually free, after that you have to get mean, outwit, out manuber, out shoot, out manage heat, and hell forbid use coordination to survive (and that only works if they dont immideately assume you a potato for doing something stupid, like coming in afk or being a klick from the group lerming).

Edited by LordNothing, 30 January 2017 - 01:01 AM.

[RestosIII]

NighthawK1337, on 29 January 2017 - 11:51 PM, said:

another perfect thread for a J Jonah Jameson GIF

Y'all need to stop relying on others for these.

[Old-dirty B]

PhoenixFire55, on 30 January 2017 - 12:12 AM, said:

With total disregard of the OP it does seem that 9 out of 10 lights even in high tier matches have zero clue on how to actually fight another light and either only try to run away from such a fight or die within mere seconds in a light duel. Just sad is all.

True, but one will seldom find a skilled opponent willing to fight another light so that you can learn from that experience. And if you do, its very likely that others, be that enemy or friendly, mix into the battle worsening the chance to actually learn how to fight another light... Just for this reason i would welcome a quick play mode that queues players to battle solo, purely for 1v1 fights... Back in the day when i played a lot of Chromehounds the 1v1's where always the most exiting, thrilling and challenging games, especially when a known skilled opponent entered the match..

@OP, anyone can backstab a potato with a lurm boat hanging in the back, the real challenge come when you try to backstab someone that knows, who keeps an eye on their back, knows how to deal with such a fight and when that enemy is close or even within the main group (like he should). Especially when other enemies comes to the help and the backstab party quickly results in an attempt for a locust gangbang party and you do achieve that backstab (even with multiple on your tail) and walk away while also being reasonably combat effective is surely something else...

Edited by B3R3ND, 30 January 2017 - 01:27 AM.

[Zergling]

Bishop Steiner, on 29 January 2017 - 10:42 PM, said:

reminds me of the idiots who waddle their direwolf out in the open and cry about LRMs. How dare my Mad Dog not come out and duel toe to toe!

Amusingly, I obliged a Dire Wolf for a frontal slugging match in my Mad Dog today... and proceeded to lolpwn him with chain fired 6xSRM6s; I only had yellow armor damage in exchange for a solo kill, so sometimes the simple approach works well.


As for the topic, light vs light fights simply aren't a good or effective use of a light. Lights have the speed to chase a light, but they don't have the weapons to easily kill a light, so it becomes a long drawn out attrition battle that usually ends when one player gets help from teammates.

[Lances107]

I play mostly heavies but even I know a few things about lights. There role in a death match is to do exactly what you described get behind the enemy and back stab them to death. They are not front line combat mechs. In conquest, and this is where most light pilots fail badly, is not to engage the enemy but to cap everything they can get there hands on. At the same time the Heavies and assaults keep the main enemy body busy. Two weapons that can ruin a lights day, a LBX 10 or higher, and a SRM 6 or Streak SRM 6. In the end it comes down to situational awareness, not getting so caught up with whats going on in front of you, that you forget to check your radar for red blips popping in and out of radar in your rear. Seriously that comment on the locust was a good one lol. Piloting a light is no where near easy. Not only does everything move about a 100 times faster for them but they also have to try to get those shots in the right place, while moving really really fast. It is not easy at all.

[Vadhalla]

Occasional light pilot.

It really depends, I do enjoy my light vs light fights (Hi Narc Bait) but if they are skilled light pilots the fight is drawn out such that one light will get an assist from a team member which changes the odd dramatically.

But in saying that there are two type of lights I come across.

Ie Splat light (ie all fire power and no decent speed) which I usually see vs the highly manoeuvrable light (Usually the seasoned light pilot will pilot this) who does the slow roasting.

If they face off splat light vs the seasonable player in a manoeuvrable light, the manoeuvrable light will win usually

But if you think its so cowardly, why don't you pilot a light and find out. It's not like an assault vs assault where they just face palm each other on who has got bigger guns. One mistake you are good as dead in a light.

But this is coming from a nub pug occasional light player.

[C E Dwyer]

Dean, on 29 January 2017 - 10:21 PM, said:

so I would like to know Why light mechs don't fight other light mechs? They seem to run around and cherry pick on the slower mechs and that tells me that the people who pilot the light mechs are back stabbing ****** and of low skill level who don't want a challenge. These same light mechs won't cap on conquest mode, and after I post this I suppose some moron will post I do this or I do that, talk all you want but drop into any game and see light mechs act like parasites it takes away from the game and for me makes the game very unpleasant to play. What say you?

So your complaining about, the whole point of light mechs in this game, to punish dumb people that hide at the back, or stay out on their own with little or no awareness of the other players on their team.

It is not light mechs job to fight other light mechs it is the mediums, they are the light hunter killers.

Light mechs should be the scouts the info gathers, the narc users, but because P.G.I are incapable or unwilling to provide them with the correct rewards for doing it, they have only this job of picking off the lame and the stupid.

I'm going to guess you use 90-100 ton mechs with only a 300 engine in it

RestosIII, on 30 January 2017 - 12:58 AM, said:

Y'all need to stop relying on others for these.

when I can load one without using a leaky third party cloud system, I'll post my own

[Lily from animove]

wow, so people complain now that people play mechs how they are meant to be?

I don't really know what to say, but I just try to imagine how those people think MWO should be and then I have a weird picture of a strange parody in my mind.

Mcgral18, on 29 January 2017 - 11:53 PM, said:

Light mechs don't fight Light mechs...or any mech, really


Anything will cripple you

Except for Potatos. I Love potatos

Spoiler

Imagine the salt of that Kodiak, or even the MAD

That's the best Light mech in the game
RIP GodQuirk Cheetah



Personally, I prefer playing the mechs which can cripple others in a single volley
From the front

Lights are the ones which can die in one shot, from the front. That's not fun, especially when the MM goes all silly, and puts you alongside competent Robot Shooters

when I play my ppc adder and my srm adder I do actually shoot at lights that try to ambush the team and mess within it.

[NighthawK1337]

RestosIII, on 30 January 2017 - 12:58 AM, said:

Y'all need to stop relying on others for these.

My Bad, hadn't saved it the first time.

[Deathlike]

Lights are never really cowardly. Insane, yes.

You know what a target that sucks at shooting Lights is called? Blind, especially when not using Seismic.

Edited by Deathlike, 30 January 2017 - 03:07 AM.

[The6thMessenger]

PhoenixFire55, on 30 January 2017 - 12:12 AM, said:

With total disregard of the OP it does seem that 9 out of 10 lights even in high tier matches have zero clue on how to actually fight another light and either only try to run away from such a fight or die within mere seconds in a light duel. Just sad is all.

In my Urbanmech, i usually go for the legs. I try to circle strafe, fortunately with the Urbie's 360 turn angle, i could really keep up with the arctic cheetah hounding me.

[Old-dirty B]

DovisKhan, on 30 January 2017 - 02:46 AM, said:

... you are a R.E.T.A.R.D and you should go visit Netherlands, since euthanasia is legal there and ask a trained professional to perform it on you.

I dont wish to be associated with such comments, there's no need to go low like this and be un-respectfull.