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[Johnny Z]

I cant think of any real over powered Inner Sphere mechs. Clan mechs are slightly easier to play. I hope this changes.

Go for lasers to do really well. PPC's are to hot. Ac's not enough firepower for the weight in a legit fight. Although both can be great under certain circumstances.

Don't use erll either unless on a mech built for long range and in quickplay that is a mistake unless on a Raven 4x or something.

So anything that can boat LL, LPL, ML can do ok. With Inner Sphere lower duration MPL is not very worth it in most cases, shorter range heavier and everything.

ERLL > CERLL The only real advantage Inner Sphere has and not very usefull in most situations. A good player wants be real and play Clan they can boat crazy amounts of damage that will tear any Inner Sphere mech apart easily.

Even the CERPPC is built for using a bot and they cried until it was. They had to aim before and they spammed crying none stop.

Many trolls on this game want it for exploiters and cheats to run everything. Not being negative, this is a heads up for legit players not to take negative comments on the forums to seriously when they try improve or balance this game.

Edited by Johnny Z, 18 February 2017 - 12:30 AM.

[Paigan]

Duke Nedo, on 17 February 2017 - 11:14 AM, said:

I played KDK-3 and NGRs a lot lately, now I wanted some variation with an IS mech...

Tried like 10 different ones now, they all suck. Like 60-70% of the performance perhaps. Sucks.

Bored. Depressed. Sad.

Play the Marauder ...

...

... IIC

*ducks down and runs out*

Edited by Paigan, 18 February 2017 - 12:34 AM.

[PlayerUnknown]

Duke Nedo, on 17 February 2017 - 11:14 AM, said:

I played KDK-3 and NGRs a lot lately, now I wanted some variation with an IS mech...

Tried like 10 different ones now, they all suck. Like 60-70% of the performance perhaps. Sucks.

Bored. Depressed. Sad.

lets play next time your on, JayRtech. join me my friend. I will make you laugh. We will have fun.

I will do my best to make your sadness be GONEEEEEE FROM HERERERERERE ,

:-D

[The Errant]

Appogee, on 18 February 2017 - 12:09 AM, said:

Maybe we should all just go 100% Clan and stop even trying to make IS work until someone at PGI plays their own game and realises the imbalances that we see every day.

Ha! Imagine if IS mech packs suddenly stopped making money.

[PlayerUnknown]

The Errant, on 18 February 2017 - 12:43 AM, said:

Ha! Imagine if IS mech packs suddenly stopped making money.

really, clan tech is so easy to kill with a thunderbolt, and i only need 3lrg pulse, or 2 er ppcs and 3 med lasers,

shot my locust kills everything. and loves the bears and the direwolfs, and the big butts on the mad iic LOL

BECAUSE LOCUST LIKES BIG BUTTS AND IT CAN NOT LIE ;-p

Edited by JayRtech, 18 February 2017 - 12:55 AM.

[The Errant]

Duke Nedo, on 17 February 2017 - 11:55 PM, said:

Yeah, I know, it's just that the gap is larger than it has been for like... 1.5 years or so?

I feel like the high-torso-mount clan mechs that have come out in that time (KDK, MAD-IIC, NTG, HBK-IIC? especially) have really shifted the goalposts, but I was on one of my long breaks during that time period I think.

[Lykaon]

Probably Not, on 17 February 2017 - 01:26 PM, said:

Oxide, I would say, more or less, is close to equal with its Clan competitor (the Jennerprise IIC) but the IIC has jumpjets, has more potential firepower and staying power depending on variant, and benefits from having a Clan XL.

I personally think it's funny that the Oxide is considered some kind of meta monster by Clan babbies, when it pretty much is just a better quirked and less mobile version of a IIC. I sure as hell don't see Spheroids complaining about Splat Jenner IICs.

If I put my Oxide loadout on a Jenner IIc I would have 4.5 tons to spare.

That could be ...

upgrade engine from 280XL to 300XL
Add a fifth SRM4
Add 1 ton ammo
Add 2 jumpjets

Since both the Oxide and Jenner IIc suffer from the CT of doom the XL engine vulnerability on the I.S. Jenners isn't as prominent since both mechs generally die from CT destruction first.

But,I still place the IIc above the Oxide for the added performance of Jumpjets coupled with higher top speeds,25% increase in alpha damage and the XL advantages (as minor as they are in this specific case are still an advantage)

[Clownwarlord]

Some good IS mechs? Well Warhammer sorta is a good mech.

[Cygone]

IS 'Mechs that can stand toe-to-toe with Clan counterparts: Note quite a lot of these have been, are, or can be behind a pay wall.

Premium - LCT:PB - ECM/4SPL
Premium - JR7:O - 4SRM4

Premium (Steam Pack) - HBK-4P - 3LPL
HBK-4SP - 2SRM6/4MPL
Pre-Order - BSW:X1 - 2AC5/1UAC5
Pre-Order - BSW:X2 - 2AC10/2ML
GRF:2N - ECM/4SMR6
SHD:2H - 3AC5
SHD:5M - 2UAC5

Premium - CPLT:J - 2LPL/4ML
Premium - CPLT:BB - 4SRM6/4SPL
TDR:9S - 3ERPPC
TDR:5SS - 7MPL
GHR:5P - 2LPL/4ML
Premium - WHM:BW - 2AC5/2UAC5
Premium - WHM:6R(S) - 2AC10/2LL
WHM:6D - 2LPL/4ML
Premium - MAD:3R(S) - 3AC5/4ML
Premium - MAD:BH2 - 2LPL/5ML or 1AC20/6ML

BLR:1G - 3LPL-4ML
Premium - STK:M - 2PPL/1GAUSS
MAL:MX90 - 4UAC5 or 5AC5
BNC:3E - 3AC5/3LL

Edited by Cygone, 18 February 2017 - 02:32 AM.

[Roadbuster]

Snazzy Dragon, on 17 February 2017 - 01:12 PM, said:

Banshee, battlemaster, atlas (S and DDC), and the mauler (specifically the MX90) are pretty servicable as well but they don't keep well with the kodiak. Cyclops too, but I feel like they are pretty squishy and not too powerful offensively.. probably because it's not very strongly quirked, honestly, and I never got to play the selepnir.

Please enlighten me. I'm always asking myself why people are so obsessed with the MX90. It doesn't have outstanding quirks and there are very few builds that use more than 4 ballistic hardpoints. I own the 1R and 2P because they are different enough for a wide variety of loadouts. The 1P is quite the allrounder, but the MX90...I just don't know.

However.
There are more than enough great IS mechs. Just don't try to play them like Clan mechs and kick the meta out of the window.
No, really. Forget about meta loadouts. Try to find the loadout that fits your playstyle and the mech you use. Nobody can tell you which mech you should play if you don't know what you want.

[Tordin]

Banshee 3E with 3 Large pulse lasers and 2 x LBX 10 with a standard 300 engine. Good at range, good at brawl. Try the Shadow Hawks out as well and Thunderbolts and Ravens
Also if you are depressed, try drinking coffe or something, anything with coffeine. Coffeine activates the "joy/ feel good" hormone dopamine as far as i know.

Edited by Tordin, 18 February 2017 - 02:41 AM.

[Vxheous]

Probably Not, on 17 February 2017 - 01:14 PM, said:

PGI's decisions stop being baffling when you stop using Hanlon's Razor. It's counterintuitive, I know, but things make sense when you start viewing their balancing as being driven by greed/attempting to ride and reinforce the meta for more money.

Probably Not, on 17 February 2017 - 02:02 PM, said:

You basically are saying you're all on board with PGI's idiotic metashifting, cashgrabbing and balance overlording and you're equating "gitting gud" with piloting the new meta hotness.

Which one is it? PGI is reinforcing the meta, or PGI is constantly causing metashifting? Git gud can apply to any and all meta changes. Most good players are adept at pretty much every meta that the game has had. Doesn't matter how it shifts, good players continue to stay good. Pop-tart? check. Laser vomit? check. Big Engine Stomp? check. PPFLD? check. LRMpocalypse? for the few times that had occured....check.

Edited by Vxheous Kerensky, 18 February 2017 - 02:56 AM.

[MNML86]

Hello everyone and to the good people at PGI trying to balance the game but not to the greedy f***ers trying to destroy the game, good job trying to keep the franchise alive, or semi alive since there isn't any new content yet for mechwarrior and this game's timeline is still at the beginning of the clan invasion.

Just my two cents on this topic.
I just started playing this game this year and from my experience in every faction play I have joined the IS team usually gets slaughtered. IS it seems gets forced on the defensive.

[Tahribator]

Try this BLR-1G if you really want to be disgusted with yourself.

[Duke Nedo]

Tahribator, on 18 February 2017 - 03:12 AM, said:

Try this BLR-1G if you really want to be disgusted with yourself.

No offense, great game and all, but the other team was very puggy... you didn't get shot at until 4:30 and by 4:58 you were orange cored on your ST... I haven't played my 1G I'll admit because of the lack of ST structure, but the 2C does well enough against random puggers.

In general the opposition has everything to say in this discussion. I may even prefer some IS mechs over clan mechs against less skilled opposition because what is important to get a good score in these matches in mainly mobility and high burst DPS. Many quirked IS mechs can do that very well with weapon quirks and a large XL. Problem is when they shoot back and every time you deal damage is a trade, then then IS mechs really are left wanting.

Ps. I am not literally depressed, just a bit fed up.

[Tahribator]

Well what do you expect? Solo queue is inherently puggy. It doesn't change the fact that it's probably the best IS laserboat there is. That build has no trouble outdamaging/outtrading Clan meta stuff in the group queue. I've been using this build/'Mech ever since it got its quirks and had no trouble disposing of tryhards.

In that match my CT got cored from behind because I was taking fire from three different angles (and horrible CT rear hitboxes of the BLR), yet I dealt with all of them.

2C is much worse in terms of damage output, because it lacks the ridiculous energy quirks the 1G has. Also with weapons mounted that high, you don't need much structure since the enemy won't be seeing much of you, let alone shoot back.

Edited by Tahribator, 18 February 2017 - 04:23 AM.

[VonBruinwald]

I can't believe nobody has said it yet:

URBIE...

Seriously, if you equate good to damage/kills/wins then you're doing it wrong. Good should be whatever you find fun to pilot (regardless of performance), if you're not having fun then what's the point.

Grab yourself an Urbie, drop stock and tell me you didn't smile once...

[B0oN]

So you are depressed ?
Here !

[Duke Nedo]

Tahribator, on 18 February 2017 - 04:15 AM, said:

Well what do you expect? Solo queue is inherently puggy. It doesn't change the fact that it's probably the best IS laserboat there is. That build has no trouble outdamaging/outtrading Clan meta stuff in the group queue. I've been using this build/'Mech ever since it got its quirks and had no trouble disposing of tryhards.

In that match my CT got cored from behind because I was taking fire from three different angles (and horrible CT rear hitboxes of the BLR), yet I dealt with all of them.

2C is much worse in terms of damage output, because it lacks the ridiculous energy quirks the 1G has. Also with weapons mounted that high, you don't need much structure since the enemy won't be seeing much of you, let alone shoot back.

I know you're a great player so I respect what you're saying... I'll try it, but I have pretty strong feelings about what will happen if I try to be a good fellow mech warrior and tank my share...

Oh, and I was referring to your front ST armor being stripped away from the front, I think by a 8Q if I remember correctly now. In any case, a good game, but your tank was never tested, that's all.

Edit: nah, it was a locust that finished off the ST, it went down gradually before then.

Edited by Duke Nedo, 18 February 2017 - 07:54 AM.

[Dex Spero]

When I need fun (and c-bills):
CDA-2B, CDA-2A, CDA-3M, X-5
JM6-A SRM boat
Jester
QKD-IV4 with 2 LB-10X
Top Dog, TDR-5SS, TDR-9SE(C)