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S0ulReapr, on 12 March 2017 - 12:37 PM, said:

In BATTLETECH, some mechs are supposed to be better than others. If you want a better mech, then buy a better mech, both Clan and IS have mechs that are top-tier. Don't expect your "Smart Car" to beat a "Ferrari" in a street race.

when your opponent has Ferraris, it would be nice to have access to something more than a Smart Car

[Edward Hazen]

chaothulhu, on 12 March 2017 - 01:31 PM, said:

when your opponent has Ferraris, it would be nice to have access to something more than a Smart Car

Ah, but you did have access to something other than a Smart Car, but you chose to buy the Smart Car and then you decided to continually harass the dealer because your Smart Car is not as fast as a Ferrari and you believe it should be because in your mind it should be.

[cougurt]

S0ulReapr, on 12 March 2017 - 02:06 PM, said:

Ah, but you did have access to something other than a Smart Car, but you chose to buy the Smart Car and then you decided to continually harass the dealer because your Smart Car is not as fast as a Ferrari and you believe it should be because in your mind it should be.

this isn't battletech, you can't balance mechs around their c-bill value. you're also ignoring things that aren't even a factor in TT, such as a mech's geometry and weapon placement.

Edited by cougurt, 12 March 2017 - 02:18 PM.

[Anunknownlurker]

Bunch of whining crybabies, get over it and either play the game or go play something else.

[C E Dwyer]

Jimmy DiGriz, on 12 March 2017 - 03:02 PM, said:

Bunch of whining crybabies, get over it and either play the game or go play something else.

Now I know where Russ learned his ace communication skills, and tact.

You do realise that if the Cheapskates took your, what I'll call advice, P.G.I would lose a lot more paying customers.

[MovinTarget]

tokumboh, on 12 March 2017 - 10:39 AM, said:

I don't accept the restaurant analogy in so far as, we not talking about napkins. We are explicitly buying modules they are part of the menu and they even have told us we can reuse them as we please.

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Right, now they offer a means that is, for most players, more affordable per mech than the 12-18million to kit out a mech. Yes, its a different mechanic, yes its permanent, and yes if we wanted to apply a little smidge of reality, it would make sense that you can't easily just pull a piece out and plug it in elsewhere.

Frankly for a F2P I'm surprised they don't have a charge for moving any components around, like engines and weapons. I guess the mechbay mechanics are just that charitable...

I get that some people aren't cool with being called cheap, but I think most people are going to find that unless they live permanently in cbill poverty they'd be able to kit out there favorite/best mechs and soon be getting others set up.

The other thing is that we've all known this was happening for what, 6+ weeks? Are the same people worried about the costs still living large or are they trying to start saving for the expenses?

Its clear PGI is moving forward with this.

Edited by MovinTarget, 12 March 2017 - 03:49 PM.

[Edward Hazen]

cougurt, on 12 March 2017 - 02:17 PM, said:

this isn't battletech, you can't balance mechs around their c-bill value. you're also ignoring things that aren't even a factor in TT, such as a mech's geometry and weapon placement.

In TT there are pilot skills which affect the game similarly to the things that you have mentioned. Anyway, you are ignoring my point, not every mech needs to be "equal" just because you want them to be, either play the mech you like because you like it, or buy a top-tier mech and be top-tier. Even sticking with a lesser mech and playing it enough, you will be better than a mediocre pilot in a top-tier mech.

[Sarsaparilla Kid]

Pihoqahiak, on 12 March 2017 - 06:06 AM, said:

I don't often find cause to defend Russ or PGI in general, but you are being ridiculous. Yes, you, and everyone else that only own the minimum amount of modules and engines for your account, forcing you to move them between mechs all the time ARE cheapskates. I did the same thing prior to having earned enough to begin purchasing more modules and engines for my account so that I didn't have to move as many around too, and yes, I was a cheapskate while I did that. It only takes a small amount of common sense to discern that Russ was not being insulting with his comment about that. Now if he had made a negative comment referring to players not spending actual real world money on the game, then yes, I could see cause to take offense, but that is NOT what he did in any way.

You must have missed this post...module swapping was even a tool tip suggestion!

https://mwomercs.com...ost__p__5648753

Also, if you think about it...the people that were cutting corners on modules and engines were buying new mechs instead and were probably buying and spending more MC on mechbays and/or mechs than those who took the time to acquire full sets of modules, so even in that case, Russ is still talking about the people who spent real money on his game.

[cougurt]

S0ulReapr, on 12 March 2017 - 04:11 PM, said:

In TT there are pilot skills which affect the game similarly to the things that you have mentioned. Anyway, you are ignoring my point, not every mech needs to be "equal" just because you want them to be, either play the mech you like because you like it, or buy a top-tier mech and be top-tier. Even sticking with a lesser mech and playing it enough, you will be better than a mediocre pilot in a top-tier mech.

that may be true, but it's not good for the health of a game to have such little variety. if you want battletech, play battletech, because you're not going to get what you're asking for here.

[tokumboh]

MovinTarget, on 12 March 2017 - 03:24 PM, said:

Right, now they offer a means that is, for most players, more affordable per mech than the 12-18million to kit out a mech. Yes, its a different mechanic, yes its permanent, and yes if we wanted to apply a little smidge of reality, it would make sense that you can't easily just pull a piece out and plug it in elsewhere.

With respect there has not been many mechs that I have bought that I have not had to change the engine or repurpose equipment to make the design viable most mechs come unpacked suboptimal I buy mech pack and often use the 6.6M cbills to get it such that it is competitive. So the cost of mechs will be high still quite high mastering them although better than shown at Mechcon there was an real outcry as to the cost almost immediately and Russ tookto twitter to say that the numbers were placeholders the griund would be comparable and so on

As to the actual mechanics of the economy if they charged for swapping over mech weapons or engines or changing armour then great let them tell their player base what they are going to do and see the reaction. I have stated that I do not believe in F2P as a moniker for these types of games because if people do not pay PGI lights and computer would not be on. We pay for less grind we pay for new mechs, I suggest it would take over US$1.5-3 Million to keep the light and I am sure that MWO nand MW5 is not their only projects so the player base which stands at around 30K (which plays minimum of 10 games) must be furnishing a between $50 and $100 as it is which is pretty good for a small player base and niche product

MovinTarget, on 12 March 2017 - 03:24 PM, said:

Frankly for a F2P I'm surprised they don't have a charge for moving any components around, like engines and weapons. I guess the mechbay mechanics are just that charitable...

As I said we must be averaging $50 to $100 per annum in real cash. many whales are spending much more hell I buy 25000MC every year as my Christmas present to myself My other present is an NBA league pass subscription. persoanlly I would be happy with a subscription of $100 per year for me it would be cheaper.

MovinTarget, on 12 March 2017 - 03:24 PM, said:

I get that some people aren't cool with being called cheap, but I think most people are going to find that unless they live permanently in cbill poverty they'd be able to kit out there favorite/best mechs and soon be getting others set up.

The other thing is that we've all known this was happening for what, 6+ weeks? Are the same people worried about the costs still living large or are they trying to start saving for the expenses?

Its clear PGI is moving forward with this.

No doubt and I will still be playing but as I pointed out for me I pay for mech pack and I pay for MC and convert XP to GXP. Then the person that all this money gets pissed at me for saying that his skill tre does not work properly and says I am a cheapskate is certainly going to hear about it.

People are not going to stop complaining about this since that is the only influence we have. Say PGI is moving forward with this will mean some people will vote with their wallets that would make for a less interesting game as it is there is only 30K of us around the world and the people he seems to be pissing of are the people that spend a lot more money than me for this game

lastly I am not living large on my C bills I can only spend C bill on mechs, modules engines equipment and weapons, I have been grinding because I never really have much in the way of C bills to hand as I spend it on engines and rebuilding my mechs
So I will have an extra 40Million to spend on mastering when the 21st happens as of today I reckon I will get another few million out before then. I will concentrate on using the better mechs until I have ground out enough C bills to mess with the others. it will be a slowish process. I have ordered the javelin (i am crap at lights) and the roughneck so I will have work to do to get them up to a level where they are competitive.

[DukeMurphy]

Please dont screw this up

[MovinTarget]

DukeMurphy, on 12 March 2017 - 05:11 PM, said:

Please dont screw this up

/facepalm

Ya just jinx'd it!

[Edward Hazen]

cougurt, on 12 March 2017 - 04:34 PM, said:

that may be true, but it's not good for the health of a game to have such little variety. if you want battletech, play battletech, because you're not going to get what you're asking for here.

Until PGI removes "A BATTLETECH GAME" from their logo, I expect "A BATTLETECH GAME" as advertised.

[Arkhangel]

honestly, guys.... just listen to Baradul.

[MovinTarget]

Arkhangel, on 12 March 2017 - 07:53 PM, said:

honestly, guys.... just listen to Baradul.

This is inadmissable by many due to logics...

[Liveish]

MovinTarget, on 12 March 2017 - 07:58 PM, said:

This is inadmissable by many due to logics...

Calling people toxic as they do not share the same point of view with you is just a cop out.
Again, everyone has a right to there view, being labelled toxic as he did not click with other people is just a joke.

If he did not try and make more Us V them Drama it would have been a valid video with his input on the matter, lets not all go the low road please.

Respect people views on the problem, counter them.
Do not try to label them as toxic and try to dismiss them as that.


EDIT - This does not look toxic to me....

https://www.reddit.c...because_of_the/

Edited by live1991, 12 March 2017 - 09:04 PM.

[cougurt]

S0ulReapr, on 12 March 2017 - 07:42 PM, said:

Until PGI removes "A BATTLETECH GAME" from their logo, I expect "A BATTLETECH GAME" as advertised.

so you want a 1:1 conversion of TT into an entirely different format in which certain elements make no sense? you may be setting your expectations a bit high there.

[Liveish]

S0ulReapr, on 12 March 2017 - 07:42 PM, said:

Until PGI removes "A BATTLETECH GAME" from their logo, I expect "A BATTLETECH GAME" as advertised.

Mech-based online shooter set in the rich BattleTech Universe.

They live up to there logo- https://mwomercs.com/game

[Threat Doc]

This was not a bad podcast, but I think the system needs a good deal more work before it can be put out. Devs, you need to read up on the things that have been written in your forums, again, as there are several ideas, including my own, that would greatly improve what you're trying to do.

Mainly, everyone knows this game is NOT a role-playing game, nor the tabletop, but even the tabletop had simple skills such as Piloting and Gunnery, and you could even throw Tactics in there, and build skill trees off of those. You're asking too much from this simple-minded community, and they don't want to end up spending more than they originally did for the extraordinarily simple, all-encompassing system presently in place. Rather than building on the original system, perhaps adding a couple of other means of improving their 'Mechs, you're going with a new system which is freaking many folks out, who think they're being cheated, but fail to realize they could build their abilities further than they have.

You could also do a step-by-step system where follow-on nodes do not even appear until you've selected their "parent" node. I'm not talking the top-most node like you have it, now, but the predecessor to follow-on nodes, and they should remain invisible until a path is made to them.

[Edward Hazen]

live1991, on 12 March 2017 - 09:17 PM, said:

Mech-based online shooter set in the rich BattleTech Universe.

They live up to there logo- https://mwomercs.com/game

Still not a "generic all mechs are the same except for different skins so people won't whine" shooter.