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[Mystere]

Johnny Z, on 12 March 2017 - 10:23 AM, said:

Complaining when something actually gets done and done well by the looks of it, is funny.

That is at best debatable. Otherwise, we're not going to have these threads.

[Revis Volek]

jjm1, on 12 March 2017 - 07:30 AM, said:

It was a joke made in the last NGNG podcast.

It obviously didn't go over so well with the people already annoyed at spending hundreds of dollars on the game only for the big mechcon reveal to be an increase to the games massive grind barrier.

Its not even about the C-bills IMO. It more or less a bottled up reaction to how sloppy PGI has been with their decisions for years now.

Cbills come and go...

Mechwarrior games are few and far between.

[MechaBattler]

Probably Not, on 12 March 2017 - 11:28 AM, said:

"JOKE! JOKE! IT WAS A JOKE! YOU'RE OVERREACTING!" cried the ForumWarrior for the umpteenth time as everyone else had more or less acknowledged it was a joke, that it was a bad joke in poor taste, analyzed exactly why that was, examined the deeper reasons for why a seemingly trivial thing was actually symptomatic of something far worse, and moved on to other more salient points.

I mean, seriously, do you want a cookie or something for pointing out that the horse is dead? We know the horse is dead. We've made quite sure that the horse is dead. We've determined exactly why the horse's mere presence was offensive in the first place, furthermore, and have attempted to move on to discussing things that are NOT THE HORSE, but you keep dragging the damn thing back into the middle of our little pow-wow circle to point out that it is indeed dead.

What makes all this even better is that the horse wasn't even the main subject of the thread in the first place, but some forum members absolutely refuse to pass up a chance to take part in the holy ritual known as beating the dead horse.

So we can't keep beating the dead horse, but it's okay from the other end of the spectrum? Because that's what I'm seeing.

[Mister Glitchdragon]

El Bandito, on 12 March 2017 - 10:30 AM, said:

The difference here is that players had left MWO previously because there wasn't much being done...
This time people are threatening to leave because things are being done.

If by "left" and "leave" you mean make a big drama qq show of exclusively playing with (and spending money with) their alt account from now on, than this is true.

[Foxwalker]

This whole thing reminds me of Felicia Day's the The Guild http://watchtheguild.com/

If you have not watched it, you should. The plot toward the end of the series revolve around what everyone is so passionate about here. when I saw it I wondered about MMOs and how many players actually know the guys here know the individuals in the game company.

I like most here still enjoy playing. After the change comes to live play we will see. Been playing since early closed beta and the game has actually changed quite a bit since then.

WOW what a ride. (Pun)

[Quinn Allard]

I cant be the only person who sees "I AM QUITING!!!" or "Suchandwho is QUITING!" and think to myself 'who the %*$& cares?!?'........seriously no one cares. Im a Founder and took one year off right as Clans were being introduced because I got bored, came back last September and have been hooked again sense. Have spent in the neighborhood of $500 on this game. I will say that I wont spend anymore money on Betas and Alphas and Unfinished Games and Cashgrab- oh look IS HEROES!!!!!!

[oldradagast]

Probably Not, on 12 March 2017 - 12:08 PM, said:

He said, without a hint of irony...

I mean, for someone who is trying to convince me that you don't care, look at you, posting in my thread as if you care.

It is funny. It's like the guy who posted that snark about "how everyone else should just shut up if they don't like it and do something else." The same, of course, applies to him and posts on the forum - if he doesn't like reading them, he should just "shut up and do something else" vs. ranting about them. Ah, irony.

[Weeny Machine]

oldradagast, on 12 March 2017 - 12:10 PM, said:

It is funny. It's like the guy who posted that snark about "how everyone else should just shut up if they don't like it and do something else." The same, of course, applies to him and posts on the forum - if he doesn't like reading them, he should just "shut up and do something else" vs. ranting about them. Ah, irony.

But he isn't really that wrong. I think it is good and even necessary to criticize stuff going south. However, at a certain point e.g. "I will quit bohooo" it is enough. I gave my feedback to PGI and if I do not like what I see after the ST introduction I will simply take a break and play something else - without writing a "farewell" post. As someone already said in this thread: once the queue times skyrocket because peeps do not log in PGI will act.

Edited by Bush Hopper, 12 March 2017 - 12:27 PM.

[Sorbic]

Curccu, on 12 March 2017 - 07:00 AM, said:

Can I get 1 minute TLDW version of this 19 minute thingy?

If you click on the gear icon in the bottom right corner you can change the speed and get through it more quickly. It's the only way to watch political debates/speeches.

[The Lighthouse]

For us who spent money to quickly get mechs, we are literally forced to grind our 100+ mechs all over again after the skill tree is passed.

Let alone the cost of cbills, the added xp is just enormous for those who don't play same mechs over and over again. And we can't even buy xp unlike cbills. It is completely forced grind which does not even make PGI more money.

I mean, this is the one of the reasons that someone requested to allow us buy a node with MC instead of xp+cbill. Which was weirdly rejected and/or ignored.

Basically PGI is removing an option to pay money to skip wasting time..... which is the very first reason majority of us huge marine mammals spent the money on the game in the first place.

Now, my first thought was "meh, I will stop buying mechs for a while. Slowly grinding my mechs until I get master all of my mechs again." But then I realized this is not fun at all and it will take a long time to do so. At this point I lost interest in the game, and most likely cut the losses and move on.

However, unlike many people saying here, I just cannot see playerbase taking a hit. The number of people seriously affected by this is rather small and most people who do not spend money on this game would be hardly affected since they will have a lot of cbills and plenty of xp on repeatedly played mechs. I guess that would be like 90% of the people.

Not sure about the financial though.

[oldradagast]

Bush Hopper, on 12 March 2017 - 12:22 PM, said:

But he isn't really that wrong. I think it is good and even necessary to criticize stuff going south. However, at a certain point e.g. "I will quit bohooo" it is enough. If gave my feedback to PGI and if I do not like what I see after the ST introduction I will simply take a break and play something else - without writing a "farewell" post. As someone said already in this thread: once the queue times skyrocket because peeps do something else PGI will act.

Yeah, but posting a thread to complain about people complaining is just lame and lacking in any understanding of irony.

That being said, a "I'm leaving because you all suck!" thread is pointless, usually. Now, if good reasons are listed, sure, why not? It's like giving opinions at an exit interview at a company. They probably won't list and it's unlikely anyone cares, but at least you tried. But, yes - a leaving thread with no supporting info is rather pointless.

[MechaBattler]

Probably Not, on 12 March 2017 - 11:44 AM, said:

Let me put it this way: I will put down my stick if you put down yours. If you pick your stick up again and start swinging it around, I will do the same.

Now can we move the **** on to discussing why the Skill Tree as of last PTS is going to be an absolute dumpster fire, or would you like to discuss sticks and dead horses some more?

I dunno I thought that gif was fairly accurate to what most of the rage is about. Which isn't unjustified. But I feel people are taking it too far. If it's the other things like tree skills, skill gating, engine decoupling, and general UI aesthetic issues. Then burning the forums down does not seem justified at all.

Edited by MechaBattler, 12 March 2017 - 12:29 PM.

[Vyx]

Play if you like the game and are having fun. Don't play if you're not.

What bugs me is the entitlement that I see/hear. Everyone complaining seems to think they are due something for having bought into the game. You are due nothing more than what you purchased -- mech pack, premium time, etc. That's it.

A "whale" is due no more than a "cheapskate". You get what you pay for; each has received what they bought.

If you buy a car from a dealership, do you expect gifts throughout the year? Maybe they should buy your gasoline? Or perhaps take you to lunch? Get real.

The game changes. That is part of what makes it interesting. It mixes things up and potentially draws new players. "Metas" come and go. Adapt.

The whining I see makes me ill. But also, it doesn't surprise me.

[oldradagast]

Vyx, on 12 March 2017 - 12:33 PM, said:

If you buy a car from a dealership, do you expect gifts throughout the year? Maybe they should buy your gasoline? Or perhaps take you to lunch? Get real.

No, but I also don't expect to come out to my car one morning and discover the dealership has replaced the engine in my car with a far weaker one and put a credit card swipe on the ignition so I have to pay them a "respec fee" every time I start the engine. These changes were, of course, made for "balance" and because I'm a cheapskate living on an island. That's basically what's happening here, to use random analogies.

GRIND is not CONTENT and FACTS are not WHINES.

Edited by oldradagast, 12 March 2017 - 12:37 PM.

[Deltree Zero]

What I paid for should retain its value, or I should be informed at the point of purchase that the value of my purchase may change at the whim of the seller at any time in the future.

If I buy a car from a dealership, the dealership better not come change things around and break things on my car and decrease my gas mileage later on.

Voicing negative opinions is not whining, troll.

Change for the sake of change is not good by its nature alone.

LOL time warp oldradagast has it covered.

Edited by Deltree Zero, 12 March 2017 - 12:40 PM.

[Lupis Volk]

Oh dear lord why won't people think of the CHILDREN*!!!!!!





*by Children i mean IS vs Clan balance.



Also someone should tell Sonic the Hedgehog that change is inherently good......oh wait constant and unneeded change lead to the decline of his franchise.

Innovation/change for the sake of it is bad. a good video explaining it.

Edited by Lupis Volk, 12 March 2017 - 12:44 PM.

[The Lighthouse]

Vyx, on 12 March 2017 - 12:33 PM, said:

Play if you like the game and are having fun. Don't play if you're not.

What bugs me is the entitlement that I see/hear. Everyone complaining seems to think they are due something for having bought into the game. You are due nothing more than what you purchased -- mech pack, premium time, etc. That's it.

A "whale" is due no more than a "cheapskate". You get what you pay for; each has received what they bought.

If you buy a car from a dealership, do you expect gifts throughout the year? Maybe they should buy your gasoline? Or perhaps take you to lunch? Get real.

The game changes. That is part of what makes it interesting. It mixes things up and potentially draws new players. "Metas" come and go. Adapt.

The whining I see makes me ill. But also, it doesn't surprise me.

Yes, statements like this is why I really think the government just has to step in and regulate this whole gaming industry just like gambling. People just don't understand difference.

You see, for buying a car, you actually 'own' a car. The car dealership actually does not have any responsibility when the warranty period is over.

For games like this, we are basically paying for 'service'. We do not actually 'own' any of these mechs. PGI merely sells the service to access these digital stompy robots so we can enjoy. As we spend money, we keep paying for the continued service.

And of course unlike car example, we (supposed to) have rights to complain about crappy service. Imagine you hired a entertainment company to organize your birthday party, and they are currently screwing up so hard. Of course you have to step in and make things right before the party goes really bad.

Our relationship with the company is 'continuous' because the company does not 'sell' products we 'own'. We are dealing with a service company.

[Felicitatem Parco]

The sensor tree contains 5 modules and costs less than 2 million CBills. It is now possible to stack sensor range, seismic, retention, decay, and redar derp at once (previously impossible).

New players can master their first Mech with NO HOOPS to jump through (no 3 mech minimum, no GXP unlocks, needing ~15 million cbills to get enough modules for one mech). And they can get the "mandatory equipment" (radar derp and seismic) with less than 1/3 of their nodes.

Experienced players get ALL their GXP and XP back and all Cbills spent on modules.

4.1 million to Master a Mech is a fair deal, I say. I do not see that as an unfair grind. I do not see this as a disaster.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 12 March 2017 - 12:56 PM.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Probably Not, on 12 March 2017 - 12:58 PM, said:

*explicit image*

More or less how this is playing out/will play out. (It never fails.)

And, I mean, it's actually pretty common in the video games industry in general these days, so PGI actually isn't an extraordinary case or an outlier or anything. But I think it should be noted that this is happening, and it keeps happening, and it's probably going to keep happening until the entire industry collapses under the weight of its own idiocy. C'est la vie.

The skill tree is better than the crap they have been serving for years in the form of the "skill ladder." But, hey, it's a free to play game that depends on a continual influx of new players in order to remain viable. The skill tree is much better for new players and for free players than the current system.

Basically what you're saying is that new players and free players can f*** themselves. I disagree with you on that .

[The Lighthouse]

Probably Not, on 12 March 2017 - 12:58 PM, said:

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More or less how this is playing out/will play out. (It never fails.)

And, I mean, it's actually pretty common in the video games industry in general these days, so PGI actually isn't an extraordinary case or an outlier or anything. But I think it should be noted that this is happening, and it keeps happening, and it's probably going to keep happening until the entire industry collapses under the weight of its own idiocy. C'est la vie.

I stopped buying pretty much everything from Blizzard, EA, Activision and Ubisoft because of these reasons.

I think the only big companies I still buy from are Bethesda and Sega at this point (and countless number of smaller companies.)

Edited by Ibrandul Mike, 12 March 2017 - 03:03 PM.
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