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[Ibrandul Mike]

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[VitriolicViolet]

DrxAbstract, on 12 March 2017 - 02:34 PM, said:

He's disgruntled because he wont have the pixel finances to 'Master' all his Mechs with the refunded spacebucks despite all the time he's invested... Did anyone else, after hearing FT say this, come to the conclusion if he's getting so little back, and is so poor to begin with, that he hasn't actually invested that much time in the game? Monetary investment for Mechs is entirely separate from skipping the 'grind' as that's what Premium Time and GXP Conversion are for... Did he spend $700 on those? No he did not - He bought Mechs. After buying those Mechs he obviously invested very little time actually playing them, otherwise he'd have the resources to Master them, resulting in the "WAH I didn't play much and don't have much because of it... WAH"... Really dude, it's your own bloody fault.

The only thing I agree with him on is the disparity between Mastered and Basic Mechs. Beyond that he's only got himself to blame. After 4 years and $940 with multiple 2-6 Month breaks I have 140 Mechs while getting at least 800 Million C-Bills refunded... FT gets no sympathy from me.

You dont know where the Cbills went so your talking out of your ***. I have 150 mechs at least 100 of which i paid for. I have only 30 million or so in modules. That however doesnt mean that i didnt put time into the game. Im one of those people who collected at least 10 of every weapon, omni pod, etc i have one of each engine from 150 to 300 and am still getting more of them. ive also sold off mechs and rebought them. i have played over 4000 matches and put even more time into the mechbay. so i have put in the time but i didnt spend my cbills on modules for the most part. Rather than assume FT didnt play at all he may have done the same and ridiculing someone because they spent cbills differently is kinda stupid.

As to the OP quit if you want its a fairly empty threat. For myself i will see how it is implemented, but in all likelyhood im am near done with this game. i havent really played much since The Dong and while i was initially excited for the skill tree since playing the PTS sessions i have lost some enthusiasm. Im hoping for extensive adjustments. I really wanted to get the Black Knight hero but i will wait until the tree is ingame and has been tweaked.

[cazidin]

AnTi90d, on 12 March 2017 - 08:57 AM, said:

You have to also accuse players of, "jumping the gun," at least fifteen times in half of an hour, like in the NGNG shillcast.

It couldn't possibly be that actual experienced, long-term players see critical flaws in the new system.. just like they saw the critical flaws in the Energy Draw and Infowars PTSDs.

Don't jump the gun. People keep doing that. Yes, they're experienced and long term players but they just don't have the information that I do, they can't see the spreadsheets that I have, and you can't really blame them for that I guess but PGI knows exactly what they're doing and have a plan.

Maybe the Skill Tree will new a few very minor tweaks post-launch, but it's a good system as it currently stands and...

OK that's as much as I was paid to type for them. I charge by the letter.

[Bud Crue]

Dakota1000, on 12 March 2017 - 10:01 AM, said:

Its most reasonable to react after you get solid information and see how your stuff is after the change rather than counting your eggs before they hatch... or in this case throwing all your eggs at a wall due to a chance that they won't.

Issue is this is what the community here keeps asking for in a way. They jump and shout whenever their mechs get nerfed yet constantly shout against powercreep and kept on saying they'd rather nerf the best down rather than buff the bads, so here we are with PGI's heavy handed nerf nukes as usual hitting everything and the community jumping and shouting over whatever new change happened like they do with *every* new change which usually leads to PGI scrapping everything and being inactive only producing mech packs while the community asks why they never add anything new and the player base slowly falls apart because the game has gone stagnant while the dumpster fire on the forums continues to rise.

Power creep would be allowing the best mechs to stay the best or in fact get better. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

But that isn't even the point I was raising.

My point above is directed to the concept made blatant in the nerf spread sheets (please actually look at them) that in some cases they are making all variants of a chassis virtually indistinguishable. If all variants are essentially the same, why should I assume that PGI is going to someday make them different again so as to justify a reason to play all those variants. This is made even worse when a chassis has a clearly superior variant WITHOUT offensive quirks but others that require such quirks to be competitive (see Grasshoppers). If you remove the quirks from those lesser variants (as they have in many cases) the superior variant becomes even more obviously the variant that is going to be played. Making all mechs of a chassis the same is not fighting power creep it is guaranteeing that those mechs that are already exemplars of power creep will remain that way.

[DrxAbstract]

Probably Not, on 12 March 2017 - 02:48 PM, said:

Short of the man himself actually coming in here and giving us a breakdown of how exactly he spent all his money, your assertions amount to conjecture and hypothesis.

VitriolicViolet, on 12 March 2017 - 03:53 PM, said:

You dont know where the Cbills went so your talking out of your ***. I have 150 mechs at least 100 of which i paid for. I have only 30 million or so in modules. That however doesnt mean that i didnt put time into the game. Im one of those people who collected at least 10 of every weapon, omni pod, etc i have one of each engine from 150 to 300 and am still getting more of them. ive also sold off mechs and rebought them. i have played over 4000 matches and put even more time into the mechbay. so i have put in the time but i didnt spend my cbills on modules for the most part. Rather than assume FT didnt play at all he may have done the same and ridiculing someone because they spent cbills differently is kinda stupid.

To address both of you:

He does tell you how the cash and C-Bills were spent--You get clear views of his Mech Lab and Resources by watching his videos and listening to his commentary. The majority of money was spent on Mech Packs and MC for Mechs and Cosmetics with most of his Premium Time coming from Mech Packs. His last 8 months recorded on the Leaderboard being any indication of his typical performance (earnings per match) and, with an average of 3 games per day (Approximately 30mins/Day) for 8 Months, sparse Components Inventory and lack of Modules (by his own admittance), further evidenced by the fact he swaps components from Mech to Mech, it's pretty obvious he does not play much and that minimal time expenditure results in a level of C-Bill Earnings that is not conducive to supporting 100+ Mechs - He's a hobo trying to pay the insurance premium on an Bugatti.

I play more than twice as much as him and I can't afford to fully equip more than 25 Mechs presently, and I would agree the C-Bills Rewards in MWO are counter-intuitive to the experimentation the MechWarrior Mech Lab historically allowed and encouraged, however to sit there and complain about investing real cash in MWO and still being space poor when he made virtually no effort toward the wise investment, or accumulation, of spacebucks nor committed a meaningful level of time into doing so... That's not me ridiculing him, it's me calling him out on his blatantly BS sob story. There's a level of personal responsibility here that maybe I should just stop expecting from people; You don't play much, or wisely invest your funds, then you don't get the same perks as the people that do--Pretty basic gaming 101 stuff.

[Marius Evander]

oldradagast, on 12 March 2017 - 02:01 PM, said:

Don't worry - once they wave another mech-pack, maybe one full of rotary autocannons and snob-nose PPC's with early-release pay-to-win marketing, in front of people, the white knights and poke-mech people will throw their money at the screen... again. And PGI will laugh. Not only have they moved beyond needing to provide real content, they can actually take things away from people (your progress on your mechs, the quirks that make so many mechs playable, etc.) and they'll still give them money.

Treat em mean, keep em keen.

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oldradagast, on 12 March 2017 - 10:26 AM, said:

"Change is good" argument there, which is a fallacy.

The facts are against the skill maze and the mech nerf coming with it. Just because PGI "did something" doesn't mean it's good. It's a laugh. People are so desperate for "something to change" in the game, they'll accept ANY change. PGI is banking on it. Enjoy re-grinding all your mechs up, over and over, every single dang time PGI tosses in new tech or "rebalances" the skill maze.

Just because you think it's bad doesn't have to mean others think likewise! I personally like the new skill tree. I can't see much wrong with it.

Btw, they could have come up with anythimg and people would whine, because it is an impossibility to satisfy each and everyone....it just doesn't work.

Me, for my part, finde the grind argument not veryfiable! Other than the little bit if money, how much regrind will there be to get them to pre new skill tree lvl.

[MarineTech]

Oh my.

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[MarineTech]

Sandpit, on 15 March 2017 - 06:51 AM, said:

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[Heffay]

Mike Forst, on 28 March 2017 - 01:56 PM, said:

What's this thread about?

It's like the Seinfeld show. It's about nothing at all.

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[MarineTech]

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