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[QuePan]

as someone that felt the system as it was devalued my time spent in game , im glad that wasn't the intent and that work will be done to make sure we all get to take our work into our stables forward into the future skill system .

[Digital_Angel]

And yet again, PGI takes something that would have made the game better and shelved it because of people whining.

[Cato Phoenix]

Thank you guys for listening.

[Ruar]

Digital_Angel, on 13 March 2017 - 08:04 PM, said:

And yet again, PGI takes something that would have made the game better and shelved it because of people whining.

It's not shelved. It's delayed for testing so they can put out a better product. The skill tree will happen, we just want something that doesn't alienate the majority of the player base.

I'm amazed at the number of people who can't be asked to read what is actually written and see the intent behind the delay and the fact we will get the skill tree in the not so distant future.

[Alistair Winter]

Cpt Leprechaun, on 13 March 2017 - 07:36 PM, said:

Posting this for exposure please watch in full

So1ahma skill tree Proposal

I just wish I had seen this sooner. It's so amazing, it's the best player-made proposal for MWO I have seen in a long time. Such an elegant solution to the major problems. And best of all, it's really easy to balance to deal with potential problems that could crop up.

[MechLord71]

Ruar, I agree that PGI says that they intend to put the skill tree change in a later patch. They have said that before and the changes have never come to fruition, so some of us see the very likely possibility that this initiative will die too. I hope that is not the case, since I want the skill tree and other game changes, but there is somewhat of a track record there.


P.S. I also think that with the delay the PGI developers should look at So1ahma's skill tree proposal and examine if it, or a modified version of it, could be part of the answer. I salute So1ahma's dedication to this project.

Edited by MechLord71, 13 March 2017 - 08:13 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

Alistair Winter, on 13 March 2017 - 08:10 PM, said:

I just wish I had seen this sooner. It's so amazing, it's the best player-made proposal for MWO I have seen in a long time. Such an elegant solution to the major problems. And best of all, it's really easy to balance to deal with potential problems that could crop up.

Yet a team of developers couldn't come up with something remotely close, functional or - good?

Edited by justcallme A S H, 13 March 2017 - 08:12 PM.

[Ruar]

justcallme A S H, on 13 March 2017 - 08:11 PM, said:

Yet a team of developers couldn't come up with something remotely close, functional or - good?

I had a job once where I wrote out orders that my boss signed off on. I would spend a lot of time making sure I had the wording just right, all of considerations accounted for, and was as perfect as I could make the order. Then my boss would send it back to me with corrections and changes. I would get so mad because he wanted to use different wording, or have things done differently than my well thought out plan. I was holding on too tightly to my own opinion and didn't want to hear his opinion.

Eventually I realized I was just the middle man. I had to satisfy his desires when it came to the orders, not my own.


That's why I think they haven't fixed the skill tree like the video shows. Because they are holding on too tight and don't want to admit they should be making us happy, not themselves.

[Jman5]

Will any of the non-skill tree changes be introduced next patch like the Critical hit changes?

[TKSax]

Digital_Angel, on 13 March 2017 - 08:04 PM, said:

And yet again, PGI takes something that would have made the game better and shelved it because of people whining.

So when it's feedback you agree with that gets changes made its great, but when it's feedback you don't agree with its whining.

Edited by TKSax, 13 March 2017 - 08:26 PM.

[Mister Glitchdragon]

So... soon?

[TKSax]

Mister Glitchdragon, on 13 March 2017 - 08:46 PM, said:

So... soon?

90 Days....

[Mister Glitchdragon]

TKSax, on 13 March 2017 - 08:46 PM, said:

90 Days....

Yup. The second I saw there was no date given, I knew. We'll never see it again.

[Tiamat of the Sea]

Thank you very much, PGI, for listening fully to community feedback.

I was growing very concerned that we would see a mistake in the form of the new skill system released before it was ready to transition to Live. It would have been a somewhat understandable mistake ( I recall all the brouhaha around earlier elements, particularly Faction Warfare, that were announced and then not released on time) but a mistake nonetheless. It is good to see improvement in response by learning from both such events and from hearing what your players are saying (In this case, of particular relevance is that there would have been vastly less complaining about the Faction Warfare delays had there been regular communication of some sort as to what was going on with them- with the presence of the Public Test Server and the tests you run on it, just having the testing fulfills a lot of that.)

I am looking forwards to seeing the upcoming iteration(s?) of the skill tree on the Test server, and will do what I can within reason to participate and continue to provide feedback. I hope as many others as can will do the same (and get the impression that this hope will be at least partially fulfilled as well.)

[Swagpanda89]

Thanks for listening and the huge amount of time going into the tree!

May reconsider an pts skill tree event soon?

Edited by Swagpanda89, 13 March 2017 - 09:10 PM.

[Myke Pantera]

While i was actually looking forward to this, i hope you guys can use the extra time to come up with something even better now. Just don't push it back too far and hopefully it doesn't mean the new tech is delayed as well.

[-Pik-]

Hostage of your small player base after all, eh?

Good luck with further development, you will need it.

[Korbos]

The fact that they have to change something because people are crying about clicking a mouse too many times is about the saddest thing I have heard. These people are playing computer games. THAT INVOLVES CLICKING YOUR MOUSE A TON. Pathetic that people would complain about clicking a damn mouse.

[MechaBattler]

The only valid point for delaying the skill tree is the cost for people with large hangers. Simply because those people mastered their mechs and suddenly they're just not? And you have to pay c-bills for it? Understandable they'd be upset.

But the rest, it just feels like nit picking. And a waste of time. They're not going to completely change the trees. They're just going to squish the skills and possibly consolidate the less useful ones or remove them. But they'll reduce the points you get to compensate. It's going to come out to the same thing anyways. It's just inconvenient, not game breaking enough to throw a fit over.

[PraetorGix]

Ruar, on 13 March 2017 - 08:08 PM, said:

I'm amazed at the number of people who can't be asked to read what is actually written and see the intent behind the delay and the fact we will get the skill tree in the not so distant future.

And I'm amazed at the amount of hypocrites this community has. Sure, we are bad bad people for not reading the text and getting the intent of this delay, but you all can happily ignore the posts explaining the intent of the skill tree, even if those were written in plain simple english just as much as this last post...

banana peel, on 13 March 2017 - 06:42 PM, said:

Please remember, that the most devoted feedback providers dont want "things their way". They want to make this game better for every player. They are here to help you.

No, they (you) just want things their way because they (you) feel there are absolutely no other valid way of playing the game, because no one knows better than them (you), or else they (you) are going to throw a big tantrum and a whole lot of posts and YT videos about how they (you) are quitting the game and how much we will miss you.

Edited by PraetorGix, 13 March 2017 - 09:46 PM.