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[TheArisen]

Bishop Steiner, on 29 March 2017 - 09:21 PM, said:

and so you learn the important lesson about people. Always expect to be let down.

Fair enough. It's obvious most of us that post regularly on the forums have put more effort into knowing about these mechs, etc.

[Alan Davion]

TheArisen, on 29 March 2017 - 09:18 PM, said:

The Men Shen & Dervish are tied at 95 O.o And the Thanatos only has a 2 vote lead over the Crusader...

Man I wish people would vote for other IS assaults besides just the Fafnir... Like the Sagitaire, Cerberus, Thunder Hawk, Gunslinger or you know... the Nightstar.

TheArisen, on 29 March 2017 - 10:36 PM, said:

Fair enough. It's obvious most of us that post regularly on the forums have put more effort into knowing about these mechs, etc.

Ever consider that people are voting for the Fafnir because it was in MW4:Mercs and the others... Just weren't?

Chances are the only people that would be interested in those other mechs are long time TT players.

[FLG 01]

Alan Davion, on 30 March 2017 - 05:17 AM, said:

Ever consider that people are voting for the Fafnir because it was in MW4:Mercs and the others... Just weren't?

We all know that. And I have complained about it quite a bit. However...


...there are three reasons why the Fafnir is popular:

MW:4 - not why I like it, but it's a reason for many.

Lore - "the Fafnir epitomizes the Lyran philosophy", it is the pride and joy of the LAAF, and the flagship design of the biggest Mech-producer in the IS. The Civil War in the Lyran Alliance ended when Peter Steiner-Davion drove a Fafnir into Tharkad City and killed the loyalist commander in her Hauptmann. (That is a quite significant symbolism, as the Fafnir was usually not availabe for the allies; while the loyalists had trouble getting the Hauptmann).

He continued to use a modified Fafnir against the Blakists, and the Fafnir itself continued to prove its worth in the Lyran forces. Just 'recently' a Fafnir-pilot was assigned guarding the main entrace to the Royal Court, because he single handedly shot down a Clan dropship during the Battle of Tharkad. Even if the Fafnir may not be your number one, it is undeniable that there is a lot to it.

Performance - it'd be very good in MWO. Perhaps not the very best, but definitely near the top. High-mounted, cockpit-level hardpoints; good combination of ballistic and enegry hardpoints; good variants (FNF-6U for dual gauss or dual AC/20 in the arms, plus energy hp in the STs); possibly a hero variant with missiles; ECM.

...and if PGI applies the same 1.5x multiplier to the engine-cap which it gave the Annihilator, it runs a 450 engine.

The way I see it, there is literally nothing wrong with it. That is not to question the validity of other options like Thunder Hawk (Adam Steiner's ride), Sagittaire (high performance), or Nightstar (my own nostalgia plus good performance), but there is no denying that the Fafnir would be a good choice too.

Edited by FLG 01, 30 March 2017 - 06:38 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

The "Forgotten" Mechs Mechwarrior Pack of 3027...

• Nexus
  
• Fujin
  
• Raijin
  
• Grand Crusader
  
• Ragnarok

Spoiler

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 30 March 2017 - 07:11 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

TheArisen, on 29 March 2017 - 09:18 PM, said:

The Men Shen & Dervish are tied at 95 O.o And the Thanatos only has a 2 vote lead over the Crusader...

More missile spam vs IS omni with MASC..decisions, decisions

I figured the Crusader has more nostalgia power than the Thanatos, was actually surprised that the Thanatos is leading at all.
Crusader to me seems like a 20 ton heavier Phoenix Hawk that had missiles strapped on to it.

[Metus regem]

Gas Guzzler, on 30 March 2017 - 07:33 AM, said:

Crusader to me seems like a 20 ton heavier Phoenix Hawk that had missiles strapped on to it.

It kind of is from a looks stand point, but from a role perspective they are not closely related at all.

The Pixi's main role was as a lance leader for scout lances, hence the high ground speed (6/9) with Jump Jets (6).

The Crusader's main role was general purpose heavy. She could do fire support thanks to twin LRM/15's or be a close in brawler with twin MLas and twin SRM/6's. She was also better armoured than a Warhammer 6R and Marauder 3R, the Achilles heel for the Crusader was heat, with only 10 SHS she runs hot, and has large ammo stores....

Pariah Devalis, on 29 March 2017 - 09:47 PM, said:

It could be worse. People could be rooting for the Crossbow.

They are doing worse... they are voting for the Black Lanner....

[Valdarion Silarius]

Alan Davion, on 30 March 2017 - 05:17 AM, said:

Ever consider that people are voting for the Fafnir because it was in MW4:Mercs and the others... Just weren't?

Chances are the only people that would be interested in those other mechs are long time TT players.

Ever consider that people might have voted for the Fafnir because they simply just like the mech? I've briefly played MW:4 but my main experience with the Fafnir was from MW:LL. I'll probably recreate the nasty RAC5 Fafnir from Living Legends and field that bad boy once again (since you know, the devs from the community version decided to remove it for whatever reason).

[Gas Guzzler]

Metus regem, on 30 March 2017 - 07:57 AM, said:

It kind of is from a looks stand point, but from a role perspective they are not closely related at all.

The Pixi's main role was as a lance leader for scout lances, hence the high ground speed (6/9) with Jump Jets (6).

The Crusader's main role was general purpose heavy. She could do fire support thanks to twin LRM/15's or be a close in brawler with twin MLas and twin SRM/6's. She was also better armoured than a Warhammer 6R and Marauder 3R, the Achilles heel for the Crusader was heat, with only 10 SHS she runs hot, and has large ammo stores...

I mean, I don't care what their main role in BattleTech was, and that isn't what I was comparing. A Crusader also will have less armor than a Warhammer or Marauder. Stock armor values mean nothing in this game so why even bother describing it in this thread?

I was looking at hardpoints... comparing the fact both the Crusader and the Phoenix Hawk have energy and ballistics in the arms. The Crusader just also happens to have missiles as well.

[Will9761]

These are the mechs I voted for. I chose to add an OmniMech Counterpart to the BattleMechs as well a give my reason of why I want to see them in MWO.

IS Mechs:
Arctic Fox- Because the thought of an inbred Kit Fox is the funniest thing I've ever seen.
Osiris - Because Mechwarrior 4, that's why.
Hellspawn - See above.
Firestarter Omni - Because we need some IS Omnimechs
Thanatos - Mechwarrior 4, nuff said
Black Hawk KU- A favorite of mine in Mechwarrior 3
Hatamoto-Chi - Because it is the Hero Mech that the Dracon Combine needs, but not deserves right now.
Hauptmann- House Steiner's classy totem Omnimech that has an Omni-cigar. How cool is that?
Fafnir- This mech should have made the cut for the Civil War Mech pack from the start. Especially with the reveal of the Heavy Gauss Rifle. Had the Fafnir would have been there, it would have became an instant buy for me. How the Annihilator was chosen instead of that mech is beyond me.

Clan Mechs
Piranha - Because the Clans are lacking a light mech in the 20-ton slot right. Also it would be a smart way to tie the company name into the game by making a Hero Mech out of it.
Fire Moth - Same as above, but because of Mechwarrior 2 nostalgia.
Conjurer - As long as it is not that ugly MW4 version, it should be fine.
Arctic Wolf - To complete MWO's round-up of the MW4 Clan "Mek Pak Mechs" (Warhawk, Kodiak, Arctic Wolf, Ebon Jaguar).
Rifleman IIC - To complete the Mechwarrior 2 line-up along with the Marauder IIC
Warhammer IIC - Same as above

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Will9761, on 30 March 2017 - 08:54 AM, said:

Conjurer - As long as it is not that ugly MW4 version, it should be fine.

#TRIGGERED!!!!!

[Battlemaster56]

Will9761, on 30 March 2017 - 08:54 AM, said:

Conjurer - As long as it is not that ugly MW4 version, it should be fine.

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 30 March 2017 - 09:02 AM, said:

#TRIGGERED!!!!!

Why not have both, also I need my wolverine fix and I'm considering buying duplicates for some reason.

[Metus regem]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 30 March 2017 - 09:02 AM, said:

#TRIGGERED!!!!!

He said Wolverine IIC Conjurer, it's a different mech than the MW4 Hellhound.

As far as I'm concerned the MW4 Hellhound was a development to supplement depleted mech stores for the Clans after the Invasion came to an end. Named Hellhound by the Clans rather than being an IS code name for the Wolverine IIC Conjurer.

It's about the best way I can figure out to explain in universe for Microsoft fracking up and not doing their home work....

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Metus regem, on 30 March 2017 - 09:10 AM, said:

He said Wolverine IIC Conjurer, it's a different mech than the MW4 Hellhound.

As far as I'm concerned the MW4 Hellhound was a development to supplement depleted mech stores for the Clans after the Invasion came to an end. Named Hellhound by the Clans rather than being an IS code name for the Wolverine IIC Conjurer.

It's about the best way I can figure out to explain in universe for Microsoft fracking up and not doing their home work....

It's not about what mech he was referring to so much as he said the MW4 Hellhound looked horrible.

[Metus regem]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 30 March 2017 - 09:23 AM, said:

It's not about what mech he was referring to so much as he said the MW4 Hellhound looked horrible.

-shrug- I'm not a fan of it, it looks to top heavy. But I understand that some people have an attachment to it, so I don't judge...

[Will9761]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 30 March 2017 - 09:02 AM, said:

#TRIGGERED!!!!!

Yeah, I know you have been triggered, take it easy man.

Edited by Will9761, 30 March 2017 - 06:27 PM.

[TheArisen]

Alan Davion, on 30 March 2017 - 05:17 AM, said:

Ever consider that people are voting for the Fafnir because it was in MW4:Mercs and the others... Just weren't?

Chances are the only people that would be interested in those other mechs are long time TT players.

Don't get me wrong, I want the Fafnir too, I voted for it. I was just wishing ppl would vote for others as well. After all, you can vote for more than one mech per weight class.

Ideally people would vote for the Fafnir as well as the mechs I mentioned of others.

[Alan Davion]

TheArisen, on 30 March 2017 - 10:20 AM, said:

Don't get me wrong, I want the Fafnir too, I voted for it. I was just wishing ppl would vote for others as well. After all, you can vote for more than one mech per weight class.

Ideally people would vote for the Fafnir as well as the mechs I mentioned of others.

Believe me I wish people would vote for certain other mechs as well. The problem is, those mechs I wish people would vote for are typically the 3025 mechs which are driven by nostalgia over "combat effectiveness", because some of those mechs would probably not do well in the current meta for one reason or another.

The game would really need a 3025 stock only option on the live server for some of those mechs to perform well and for the player to earn a decent paycheck from that match. The "stock loadout" option in private lobbies "for funsies" is great and all, but I'd like to be able to use some mechs in their stock config and be able to make money doing it, as I'm sure some other people in this community would like as well.

Edited by Alan Davion, 30 March 2017 - 10:34 AM.

[Athom83]

MeiSooHaityu, on 30 March 2017 - 06:44 AM, said:

• Ragnarok

I thought you meant the Ragnarok with the Lava gun for a minute there;

[MeiSooHaityu]

Athom83, on 30 March 2017 - 10:58 AM, said:

I thought you meant the Ragnarok with the Lava gun for a minute there;

A reasonable assumption, but nope, we are going older and more obscure than that

Seriously though, I never understood why the SNES remake of the first MechWarrior game needed to have it's own original mechs. Maybe it was due to memory constraints :/, but if those mechs are different anyway, why couldn't they be different existing mechs.

Who knows *shrug*

[Gas Guzzler]

Alan Davion, on 30 March 2017 - 10:34 AM, said:

Believe me I wish people would vote for certain other mechs as well. The problem is, those mechs I wish people would vote for are typically the 3025 mechs which are driven by nostalgia over "combat effectiveness", because some of those mechs would probably not do well in the current meta for one reason or another.

Most of the popular nostalgia mechs wouldn't even be BAD, they just overlap with what other mechs can already do. Dervish? 55 ton missile carrier.. of course that would be a solid SRM platform.

Crusader? Also a solid SRM platform, could also mix an autocannon with missiles.

Wasp? The -1W has 6E hardpoints, with a 190 engine cap it would essentially be a jumping locust ish, not a bad performer.

None of those are bad, they just aren't what those particular weight classes need right now. (Well, current lights just need buffs, they don't really need any roles filled).

The medium Class could use a could energy boat in the 55 ton range with JJs, or something like the Men Shen.. can take a few energy hardpoints but has MASC so it pokes and hides well.

Heavy Class could use a 75 ton jumper with ballistics in the arm instead of the side torso. Thanatos or Falconer would be great. OR a 75 tonner with some good mounts for direct fire hardpoints including ballistics (see Dragon Fire).

Assault Class, well Fafnir is cool, Sagittaire probably could have been better but nostalgia. Basically just beastly assaults that can boat guns or do the PPC Gauss thing, since there isn't really a great dual gauss assault for the IS currently, whereas the IS is getting a nice fat gun bag in the Annihilator, so we will see how that goes.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 30 March 2017 - 11:19 AM.