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[Y E O N N E]

You say you are surprised; I don't see how, that picture reveals exactly why nobody would be chomping at the bit for it.

[Moonlight Grimoire]

Pariah Devalis, on 30 March 2017 - 05:12 PM, said:

One IS mech I am surprised sees so little attention is the Komodo.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Komodo



Jump jets, ECM, 2x AMS, and 11 energy hardpoints on a 45 ton platform. I mean, wow. A little slow, but still...

Its relation, the Shegenja, is an interesting beasty, too.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Shugenja

Probably due to it is 45 tons boating energy. I mean likely you can get 14ish tons to work with out of it with an XL, strip a bit of an arm. Or you go light engine instead, 4SL 4ML, 2xAMS, ECM, go 97.2kph with 46m of jump height. Not an insane mech, but, would eat light legs. So an interesting option but also a lot of this is fueled by nostalgia from people who played the previous MW titles as well as the TT itself.

The Shugenja, iffy on it, might work, definitely wouldn't have that bar launcher on it as that is left torso not CT or 3 MRM10 launchers spread between RT, CT, and LT. Weapons are pretty well clustered around the cockpit, definitely brings to the table something that the IS does not have currently in the 75 ton bracket. But, it is not a humanoid which is a huge plus in my eyes.

[Y E O N N E]

Being 45 tons isn't an issue for the Komodo. Being as wide as an Awesome and so ugly that I wouldn't even want to step on it with my boot is the problem.

[Snazzy Dragon]

Yeonne Greene, on 30 March 2017 - 05:51 PM, said:

Being 45 tons isn't an issue for the Komodo. Being as wide as an Awesome and so ugly that I wouldn't even want to step on it with my boot is the problem.

I imagine it'd feel a lot like a pre-rescale nova, but with inferior tech.

Do not want

Edited by Snazzy Dragon, 30 March 2017 - 06:10 PM.

[TheArisen]

Gas Guzzler, on 30 March 2017 - 04:21 PM, said:

Honestly, the Starslayer doesn't sound like a bad option to me either, was there a reason we didn't like that one? I can't remember.

I don't think we had an issue. I did bring up it has weapon bulge syndrome. Basically it's a 50t Shawk 2K

[Y E O N N E]

TheArisen, on 30 March 2017 - 08:06 PM, said:

I don't think we had an issue. I did bring up it has weapon bulge syndrome. Basically it's a 50t Shawk 2K

The reason was because it is basically a Hunchback with Jump Jets. There's nothing interesting about it visually, mechanically, or historically and that asymmetry is as much a weakness as it is a boon (how many HBK-IIC-As have you seen with both PPCs in one side?)

[Gas Guzzler]

Yeonne Greene, on 30 March 2017 - 08:14 PM, said:

The reason was because it is basically a Hunchback with Jump Jets. There's nothing interesting about it visually, mechanically, or historically and that asymmetry is as much a weakness as it is a boon (how many HBK-IIC-As have you seen with both PPCs in one side?)

I think it had weapons in both side torsos...

[Moonlight Grimoire]

Gas Guzzler, on 30 March 2017 - 09:10 PM, said:

I think it had weapons in both side torsos...

It does. It's signature is generally being RA and RT are two big guns then it has a Head weapon then three weapons in the LT.

Starslayer STY-2C:

Large Laser RA
Large Laser RT
SRM4 LT
Medium Laser LT
Medium Laser LT
Small Laser Head

Starslayer STY-3D:

Large Laser RA
ERPPC RT
Medium Laser LT
Medium Laser LT
Medium Laser Head

Starslayer STY-3Dr:

Heavy PPC RT
Medium Laser LT
Medium Laser LT
Medium Laser Head
ECM RA
TSM

[Gas Guzzler]

Moonlight Grimoire, on 30 March 2017 - 09:19 PM, said:

It does. It's signature is generally being RA and RT are two big guns then it has a Head weapon then three weapons in the LT.

Starslayer STY-2C:

Large Laser RA
Large Laser RT
SRM4 LT
Medium Laser LT
Medium Laser LT
Small Laser Head

Starslayer STY-3D:

Large Laser RA
ERPPC RT
Medium Laser LT
Medium Laser LT
Medium Laser Head

Starslayer STY-3Dr:

Heavy PPC RT
Medium Laser LT
Medium Laser LT
Medium Laser Head
ECM RA
TSM

Yeah that wouldn't be bad, honestly you can't really do much more than 3LPL though... Could do 3LL with ER MLs I suppose.

[Bishop Steiner]

Gas Guzzler, on 31 March 2017 - 07:10 AM, said:

Yeah that wouldn't be bad, honestly you can't really do much more than 3LPL though... Could do 3LL with ER MLs I suppose.

3 LPL...so hey... just like almost every other Medium to light "light" Heavy out there.... that sounds really appealing...actually wait.. that sounds like my seldom used vanilla CN9-AL with a different skin.

[Metus regem]

Bishop Steiner, on 31 March 2017 - 07:15 AM, said:

3 LPL...so hey... just like almost every other Medium to light "light" Heavy out there.... that sounds really appealing...actually wait.. that sounds like my seldom used vanilla CN9-AL with a different skin.

And Jump Jets.... Don't forget it has Jump Jets to set it apart from the CN9-AL....

[Y E O N N E]

Gas Guzzler, on 30 March 2017 - 09:10 PM, said:

I think it had weapons in both side torsos...

I had assumed they would allfollow the pattern of the 3C, which looked like it was RT and arms for the lasers with the 11:21:34 AM packing the SRM4.

[Gas Guzzler]

Yeonne Greene, on 31 March 2017 - 07:21 AM, said:

I had assumed they would allfollow the pattern of the 3C, which looked like it was RT and arms for the lasers with the 11:21:34 AM packing the SRM4.

Lol.

The left torso also has a couple medium lasers. It very much reminds me of a Hunchback IIC-A.

Bishop Steiner, on 31 March 2017 - 07:15 AM, said:

3 LPL...so hey... just like almost every other Medium to light "light" Heavy out there.... that sounds really appealing...actually wait.. that sounds like my seldom used vanilla CN9-AL with a different skin.

You mean like the Dervish you want, so you can do 4 SRM6A like the Griffin with a different skin? Your right, we should drop both and go with the Men Shen since it has MASC and its an omni so its totally new. Glad we agree

[Y E O N N E]

Gas Guzzler, on 31 March 2017 - 07:25 AM, said:

Lol.

The left torso also has a couple medium lasers. It very much reminds me of a Hunchback IIC-A.

I only had the picture to go on. Where do you guys get the lore allocations? And the more I think about it, the more I am convinced we don't really need any IS Medium that isn't massing 8+ lasers with Jump Jets from a pure function perspective, not now that we are getting LFEs, fancy PPCs, and ERML. We have the HBK-4P and BJ-1X for ground-locked variation, we have the SHD-2K for poptarting, we have the Griffin for SRM bombing, and we have bunches that do ballistics and energy or missiles.

Also, phone posting. Quotes are a nightmare on mobile.

[Gas Guzzler]

Yeonne Greene, on 31 March 2017 - 07:34 AM, said:

I only had the picture to go on. Where do you guys get the lore allocations? And the more I think about it, the more I am convinced we don't really need any IS Medium that isn't massing 8+ lasers with Jump Jets from a pure function perspective, not now that we are getting LFEs, fancy PPCs, and ERML. We have the HBK-4P and BJ-1X for ground-locked variation, we have the SHD-2K for poptarting, we have the Griffin for SRM bombing, and we have bunches that do ballistics and energy or missiles.

Also, phone posting. Quotes are a nightmare on mobile.

I mean, I'm still down for the MASC/ECM 55 ton omni.. that's new.

[Y E O N N E]

Gas Guzzler, on 31 March 2017 - 07:38 AM, said:

I mean, I'm still down for the MASC/ECM 55 ton omni.. that's new.

Yeah, but I think we have almost everything we need to meet whatever meta solution arises, meaning we can focus more on unique capabilities than performance needs. AKA, interesting things like the Men Shen, BJ-O, etc.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Yeonne Greene, on 31 March 2017 - 07:52 AM, said:

BJ-O, etc.

I don't know that a 4/6 IS Omni with an XL is interesting so much as masochistic.

[Bishop Steiner]

Metus regem, on 31 March 2017 - 07:20 AM, said:

And Jump Jets.... Don't forget it has Jump Jets to set it apart from the CN9-AL....

sure if you want to give up speed or heatsinks to do so.

[Y E O N N E]

Bishop Steiner, on 31 March 2017 - 07:56 AM, said:

sure if you want to give up speed or heatsinks to do so.

That's why the Lynx was the No. 1 meta pick.

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 31 March 2017 - 07:54 AM, said:

I don't know that a 4/6 IS Omni with an XL is interesting so much as masochistic.

I drive Mist Lynxes willingly.

[Bishop Steiner]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 31 March 2017 - 07:54 AM, said:

I don't know that a 4/6 IS Omni with an XL is interesting so much as masochistic.

interesting does not necessarily mean good. Just saying. And good certainly does not mean interesting. (honda civic/toyota camry/glock anyone?)

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 31 March 2017 - 08:01 AM.