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[Battlemaster56]

Gas Guzzler, on 31 March 2017 - 10:18 AM, said:

I think my lack of desire for the Hauptmann stemmed from thinking all those big ballistics were in the same side torso. Now that I know there is a ballistic omni-pod for each side torso, it is considerably more useful. Frankly they should just do an IS omni Wave 1 akin to the Clan Wave 1.

Owens-Strider-Avatar-Hauptmann-Raptor-Men Shen-Black Hawk KU-Sunder

Well it have the Owens in it so you got my money good sir.

[Metus regem]

Gas Guzzler, on 31 March 2017 - 10:18 AM, said:

I think my lack of desire for the Hauptmann stemmed from thinking all those big ballistics were in the same side torso. Now that I know there is a ballistic omni-pod for each side torso, it is considerably more useful. Frankly they should just do an IS omni Wave 1 akin to the Clan Wave 1.

Owens-Strider-Avatar-Hauptmann-Raptor-Men Shen-Black Hawk KU-Sunder

Technically the Hauptmann is a second generation IS omni....

First Gen IS Omni's (Pre:3058):

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Raptor
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Owens
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Strider
http://www.sarna.net...rter_(OmniMech)
http://www.sarna.net...jack_(OmniMech)
http://www.sarna.net...i/Black_Hawk-KU
http://www.sarna.net...atar_(OmniMech)
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Sunder

Generation 2 IS Omnis (3058-3070):

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Arctic_Fox
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Archangel
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Deva
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Grigori
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hauptmann
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Malak
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Men_Shen
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Perseus
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Preta
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Seraph
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Templar

Generation 3 is anything 3071+


The reason for the divisions like they are, is you can see direct improvements and better knowledge being applied as the timeline moves forward in terms of optimization of Omni's for the IS.

Edited by Metus regem, 31 March 2017 - 10:35 AM.

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Metus regem, on 31 March 2017 - 10:34 AM, said:

Generation 2 IS Omnis (3058-3070):

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Arctic_Fox
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Archangel
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Deva
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Grigori
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hauptmann
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Malak
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Men_Shen
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Perseus
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Preta
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Seraph
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Templar

Generation 3 is anything 3071+

Shouldn't the celestials be in their own spot given there are distinct design differences between them and the other 2nd gen Omnis?

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 31 March 2017 - 10:57 AM.

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Quicksilver Kalasa, on 31 March 2017 - 10:57 AM, said:

Shouldn't the celestials be in their own spot given there are distinct design differences between them and the other 2nd gen Omnis?

It's debatable, but they don't really fall into the Dark Age/Republic age designs... I guess you could call them generation 2.5...

At the same time, one could argue that the Arctic Fox and Hauptmann could be considered generation 1.5.

[Jay Leon Hart]

So how about...

IS Omni Pack 1;
Raptor (2nd 25 tonner instead of 6th 35 tonner)
Strider
Black Hawk-KU (4th 60 tonner instead of 5th 70 tonner)
Sunder

Then reinforcement options, like the Phoenix Pack;
Owens
Firestarter (OM)
Blackjack (OM)
Avatar

Then an IS Omni Pack 2;
Arctic Fox
Men Shen
Perseus
Hauptmann (2nd 95 tonner instead of 3rd 85 tonner)

Then pull a Clan Wave I + Clan Wave II move. Buy both top tier packs (ignoring Reinforcements?) and get...
Templar (BONUS! Plays on nostalgia more than the Hauptmann)

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Jay Leon Hart, on 31 March 2017 - 11:41 AM, said:

So how about...

IS Omni Pack 1;
Raptor (2nd 25 tonner instead of 6th 35 tonner)
Strider
Black Hawk-KU (4th 60 tonner instead of 5th 70 tonner)
Sunder

Then reinforcement options, like the Phoenix Pack;
Owens
Firestarter (OM)
Blackjack (OM)
Avatar

Then an IS Omni Pack 2;
Arctic Fox
Men Shen
Perseus
Hauptmann (2nd 95 tonner instead of 3rd 85 tonner)

Then pull a Clan Wave I + Clan Wave II move. Buy both top tier packs (ignoring Reinforcements?) and get...
Templar (BONUS! Plays on nostalgia more than the Hauptmann)

How about we do the best first:
Raptor
Men Shen
Black Hawk Ku
Sunder

then:
Owens
Strider
Avatar
Hauptmann

and then:
Arctic Fox
Blackjack Omni/Firestarter Omni
Perseus
Templar

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 31 March 2017 - 11:52 AM.

[Mechteric]

I definitely think IS omni pack is the way to go

[Metus regem]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 31 March 2017 - 11:47 AM, said:

How about we do the best first:
Raptor
Men Shen
Black Hawk Ku
Sunder

then:
Owens
Strider
Avatar
Sunder

and then:
Arctic Fox
Blackjack Omni/Firestarter Omni
Perseus
Templar

You have Sunder twice... maybe change on to Hauptmann... maybe put into the reinforcement pack to milk more money? Or better yet, make it a bonus item if you buy both packs at top end?

[Bishop Steiner]

Metus regem, on 31 March 2017 - 11:38 AM, said:

It's debatable, but they don't really fall into the Dark Age/Republic age designs... I guess you could call them generation 2.5...

At the same time, one could argue that the Arctic Fox and Hauptmann could be considered generation 1.5.

I'd say so, especially since so many use unique tech like the ct cockpits, etc.

Or...we could pretend they never happened.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 31 March 2017 - 11:47 AM, said:

How about we do the best first:
Raptor
Men Shen
Black Hawk Ku
Sunder

then:
Owens
Strider
Avatar
Sunder

and then:
Arctic Fox
Blackjack Omni/Firestarter Omni
Perseus
Templar

Well if you do the best first, why would anyone buy the rest?

I mean, the only reasons I bought Clan Wave II and didn't stick to just the Loki were
1. I love the Mad Dog
2. I'm impatient.

[Bishop Steiner]

Metus regem, on 31 March 2017 - 11:49 AM, said:

You have Sunder twice... maybe change on to Hauptmann... maybe put into the reinforcement pack to milk more money? Or better yet, make it a bonus item if you buy both packs at top end?

is it weird that 3 out of the 4 IS OMnis I actually like... are bad? Raptor, Strider, BJ-O and Sunder are the only ones pre jihad I find remotely interesting.

Though the idea of a Centurion Omni later on, does appeal.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Bishop Steiner, on 31 March 2017 - 11:50 AM, said:

Or...we could pretend they never happened.

That is my preference...

[Metus regem]

Bishop Steiner, on 31 March 2017 - 11:50 AM, said:

I'd say so, especially since so many use unique tech like the ct cockpits, etc.

Or...we could pretend they never happened.

I can live with that.

[FLG 01]

Metus regem, on 31 March 2017 - 11:38 AM, said:

At the same time, one could argue that the Arctic Fox and Hauptmann could be considered generation 1.5.

I was about to write that.
But it is actually what I like about the Hauptmann. It does not try so hard to be this super-advanced Mech, it is just straight-forward Lyran simplicity (or simple-mindedness...): all martial, no art.

Jay Leon Hart, on 31 March 2017 - 11:41 AM, said:

Strider

A Mech that depends on hot weapons (missiles and lasers) and uses locked SHS. I think I'd skip that.

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 31 March 2017 - 11:47 AM, said:

How about we do the best first:
[...]
Sunder

What's so good about that? It may not be terribly bad, but this geometry with this engine (XL) at this engine rating...

[Bishop Steiner]

FLG 01, on 31 March 2017 - 11:51 AM, said:

A Mech that depends on hot weapons (missiles and lasers) and uses locked SHS. I think I'd skip that.

I should have skipped Assassins and Urbanmechs, too, technically.

But I'm glad I didn't.

(And of course, I am a huge nutbar fan of BOTH versions of the Crossbow. So...yeah)

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Metus regem, on 31 March 2017 - 11:49 AM, said:

You have Sunder twice... maybe change on to Hauptmann... maybe put into the reinforcement pack to milk more money? Or better yet, make it a bonus item if you buy both packs at top end?

Fixed, Haupty should probably be second.

FLG 01, on 31 March 2017 - 11:51 AM, said:

What's so good about that? It may not be terribly bad, but this geometry with this engine (XL) at this engine rating...

Geometry is up in the air, but it is still the best option for an assault given how it mounts a large XL which is something that outside the Cyclops (which can't really pull off large XLs due to the heavy reliance on ballistics in one torso outside the hero that is).

[Metus regem]

Bishop Steiner, on 31 March 2017 - 11:51 AM, said:

is it weird that 3 out of the 4 IS OMnis I actually like... are bad? Raptor, Strider, BJ-O and Sunder are the only ones pre jihad I find remotely interesting.

Though the idea of a Centurion Omni later on, does appeal.

I find myself really drawn to the Gauntlet for later Omnis personally...





She can pull 139km/h (13 hexes) thanks to MASC and a supercharger in the prime configuration or 108km/h in all others thanks to MASC....

LFE
Endo
LFF armour

She's a better Bushwacker

[Bishop Steiner]

FLG 01, on 31 March 2017 - 11:51 AM, said:

But it is actually what I like about the Hauptmann. It does not try so hard to be this super-advanced Mech, it is just straight-forward Lyran simplicity (or simple-mindedness...): all martial, no art.

And I kind of get that, just have found the actual depiction s(IMO) to be kind of lazy looking, compared to say, the first gen Clan Invasion Omnis, that had that kind of aesthetic, but seemed like they actually took time to design them with more thought than an early 80s Cartoon Transformer. (aka just verying sized boxes taped together).

But hey, if they add it, I won't oppose, just won't buy (not like I haven't skipped other mechs, lol). Just as many of the mechs I love don't appeal to a lot of people. It's all good. I just can't pretend not to hate the ones I actually hate.

Metus regem, on 31 March 2017 - 11:57 AM, said:

I find myself really drawn to the Gauntlet for later Omnis personally...





She can pull 139km/h (13 hexes) thanks to MASC and a supercharger in the prime configuration or 108km/h in all others thanks to MASC....

LFE
Endo
LFF armour

She's a better Bushwacker

Should have just been called the BSW-Omni, tbh. I think I am a little anti because it felt a little "lazy" design wise. But I'm picky that way.

That said, as much as the setting leaves me MEH, there are designs I do like in it. Lament and Hellstar, for instance. Gunsmith, for another.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Bishop Steiner, on 31 March 2017 - 12:03 PM, said:

That said, as much as the setting leaves me MEH, there are designs I do like in it. Lament and Hellstar, for instance. Gunsmith, for another.

I'm just disappointed Ghost Bear didn't redo the Viper during that period to take advantage of either Partial Wings or iJJs, having something that jumped 10 and basically be the Clan version of the Preta Dominus would make me fall in love instantly. No, instead they made like 3 different versions of the Ursus

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 31 March 2017 - 12:08 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 31 March 2017 - 12:08 PM, said:

I'm just disappointed Ghost Bear didn't redo the Viper during that period to take advantage of either Partial Wings or iJJs, having something that jumped 10 and basically be the Clan version of the Preta Dominus would make me fall in love instantly. No, instead they made like 3 different versions of the Ursus

Oh. That would have been BEAST. Slow it down one movement class, add partial wings and I-JJs?

Of course, there are a number of such questions with the clans.. though most of mine are ... ok... you make an Urbanmech IIC.... and an Orion IIC... but you never made an ATLAS IIC? How does that even make sense?

I'm guessing part of it is the relatively limited combat success the Viper had.. and the apparent hatred most artists have had for trying to draw the dang thing. (me included)

That said, I think I'm going have to do it.