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[CK16]

Gas Guzzler, on 24 October 2017 - 12:43 PM, said:

Subjective.

But yeah more maps would be good.



We should stop beating around the bush and embrace the Fafnir when it comes to Boomassault.

Otherwise, the Sunder would be the best omni assault to add. Templar would be garbage with low mounted hip level arms.

I am not throwing my money on Templar as garbage, but I wouldn't as great either. It very well could come with Battlemaster level torso mounts. It could be good to decent if designed right, if designed wrong? Well yea not so much.

Fafnir is indeed scary.....depending on its hard point inflations, gauss vomit could be brutal from it....and dual HGR is still meme worthy when it starts hitting targets o.O

[Gas Guzzler]

CK16, on 24 October 2017 - 12:46 PM, said:

I am not throwing my money on Templar as garbage, but I wouldn't as great either. It very well could come with Battlemaster level torso mounts. It could be good to decent if designed right, if designed wrong? Well yea not so much.

What's the max complement you could put in those high mounts, not utilizing omnipods from variants with unavailable tech?

[Kijiro Bugboy]

I generally think 95 tons is an underrepresented weight class right now. I originally had the Fafnir as my IS Assault vote, but switched over to the Hauptmann largely because of its status as an IS Omni and being a 95-tonner. Plus it just looks awesome imo, its head mount looks like a cigar.

[CK16]

Gas Guzzler, on 24 October 2017 - 12:49 PM, said:

What's the max complement you could put in those high mounts, not utilizing omnipods from variants with unavailable tech?

At work currently, will find the spreadsheet I had. Like I said, I won't put money on it being eirher. Though chance of it coming in awful is high I agree. But imo still a cool mech, and one of the fluff mechs important to the era. Should be added sometime (like the idea f meta mechs and fluff ones added from time to time, Sunder should be first though.)

[FupDup]

CK16, on 24 October 2017 - 12:46 PM, said:

I am not throwing my money on Templar as garbage, but I wouldn't as great either. It very well could come with Battlemaster level torso mounts. It could be good to decent if designed right, if designed wrong? Well yea not so much.

The main issue with the Templar is having an excess of pod space relative to the amount of open critical slots it has. Basically like the Warhawk of the Inner Sphere. Ballistic boating will be basically mandatory if you don't want excess unused weight.

For hardpoint height most artwork does show one or two weapons (that thing in the LT might not be a weapon) fairly high up, but the rest of pretty low. And of those mounts, the RT one is just a missile.




For reference, here is my hardpoint spreadsheet. Lots of homogeneity all around:



Even if PGI did make one weapon in each ST mounted high, you'd be kind of limited in what you can stick there.

On a side note, maybe I can just add in those C3 Master variants and replace that item with a TC5. I don't think that would really solve the mech's problems though.

Edited by FupDup, 24 October 2017 - 12:58 PM.

[CK16]

Thanks, I just found my old awareness thread on it and was about to paste it lol.

[Gas Guzzler]

FupDup, on 24 October 2017 - 12:56 PM, said:

The main issue with the Templar is having an excess of pod space relative to the amount of open critical slots it has. Basically like the Warhawk of the Inner Sphere. Ballistic boating will be basically mandatory if you don't want excess unused weight.

For hardpoint height most artwork does show one or two weapons (that thing in the LT might not be a weapon) fairly high up, but the rest of pretty low. And of those mounts, the RT one is just a missile.




For reference, here is my hardpoint spreadsheet. Lots of homogeneity all around:



Even if PGI did make one weapon in each ST mounted high, you'd be kind of limited in what you can stick there.

On a side note, maybe I can just add in those C3 Master variants and replace that item with a TC5. I don't think that would really solve the mech's problems though.

Yeah... I'm not digging it.

Sunder has slightly less effective pod space but a lot more slots, and those ST hardpoints are cockpit height, and the arm isn't much lower.

After the UAC10 velocity buff, 2 Heavy PPCs and a UAC10 is a pretty solid loadout for a mobile IS assault, especially if the hardpoints have good heights.

[Hawk819]

Gas Guzzler, on 24 October 2017 - 01:50 PM, said:

Yeah... I'm not digging it.

Sunder has slightly less effective pod space but a lot more slots, and those ST hardpoints are cockpit height, and the arm isn't much lower.

After the UAC10 velocity buff, 2 Heavy PPCs and a UAC10 is a pretty solid loadout for a mobile IS assault, especially if the hardpoints have good heights.

I wish! I so want the Inner Sphere OmniMechs. Alas, though, we shall never see them. Thanks, PGI. We just love how we ask for these, repeatedly, only to be rebuffed every time we ask.

[Gas Guzzler]

Hawk819, on 24 October 2017 - 02:46 PM, said:

I wish! I so want the Inner Sphere OmniMechs. Alas, though, we shall never see them. Thanks, PGI. We just love how we ask for these, repeatedly, only to be rebuffed every time we ask.

The Sunder, Raptor, Black Hawk-KU, and Men Shen have the chance to be solid mechs. The Hauptmann might be decent too. No reason not to include them.

[Y E O N N E]

Hawk819, on 24 October 2017 - 02:46 PM, said:

I wish! I so want the Inner Sphere OmniMechs. Alas, though, we shall never see them. Thanks, PGI. We just love how we ask for these, repeatedly, only to be rebuffed every time we ask.

And get f*cking weirdo, obviously-going-to-be-bad 'Mechs like the Hellspawn.

Meanwhile, at the Hall of Justice CDS, Piranha.

[Gas Guzzler]

Yeah I'm not buying that garbage. I think the Men Shen is probably the only IS medium I would buy right now.

[50 50]

I think the IS needs to get some Omnimechs, though I fear with locked XL engines they will sink fast.

For Clan, I would like to see the pattern broken and challenge PGI to do it.

I would like to see Elementals as a pilotable option.
Can we add that to the poll (consider it a Clan Light 20 ton option) to see what the interest is?
Would personally slap down a decent wad of cash for them right now over any other mechs.

[chucklesMuch]

Isn't there some announcement of new something at mech con? (Don't recall where when, could have imagined it)... but if so then my guess is IS Ommi's... and the for the love vague balance can we please pick the best of the omni's, if so.

Edit grammar

Edited by chucklesMuch, 24 October 2017 - 07:21 PM.

[Valdarion Silarius]

chucklesMuch, on 24 October 2017 - 12:16 PM, said:

Too much Hollander, Black lanner and rifleman ii...

[chucklesMuch]

Arnold The Governator, on 24 October 2017 - 06:59 PM, said:

For the not wanting another 65 ton but slow clan mech... or do you mean the space gimped lanner, with all the speed and mobility... in brief bursts, but not much else?... or that woeful light?

Edited by chucklesMuch, 24 October 2017 - 07:47 PM.

[InvictusLee]

What if PGI defied all expectations and gave us the Lobo?

Would ya'll buy it?
I really like the mech.

It would also be really really neat to have AP Gauss Rifles in the game.

[Jay Leon Hart]

November11th, on 24 October 2017 - 11:25 PM, said:

What if PGI defied all expectations and gave us the Lobo?

Would ya'll buy it?
I really like the mech.

Well, Lobo is my #2 pick for that weight

[TheArisen]

Yeah even though I have a fair amount of nostalgia for the Templar I think the Sunder is the better mech and better choice overall.
Omni pack of Raptor, Men Shen, Black Hawk Ku & Sunder would be an insta-buy for me.

[xVLFBERHxT]

Visual is it the Templar for me.





DEUS VULT!

[Kijiro Bugboy]

JackalBeast, on 11 October 2017 - 12:52 PM, said:

but why when the Vapor Eagle is better in every single regard. Also, a whopping 11 votes for BL vs VE's 8. mislead much?

Yeah, it's pretty much purely due to popularity, and also a little more uniqueness from the Stormcrow. It may not be as optimal a chassis, but it's certainly more recognizable and more likely to be used for a lot of people (including myself, since I know it well from MW4: Mercs with the MekTek packs). Call it overengined, but at least it has a different speed than the Stormcrow, unlike the Vapor Eagle. Afaik the SCR and Vapor Eagle (its designation isn't listed on Sarna) have the exact same podspace, so the only difference would be hardpoints and their placement. They're still different Mechs, but not as different as the Lanner and Crow.

Bottom line, don't shun a perhaps mediocre chassis because it's filler or because you personally don't gain nostalgia from it. I sure do, and other newer-generation TT players and MechWarrior enthusiasts probably do as well. There are plenty of filler 'Mechs in the game right now that get played quite a bit, actually; the Bushwacker (another longtime favorite of mine) comes to mind.

Yeonne Greene, on 24 October 2017 - 04:59 PM, said:

And get f*cking weirdo, obviously-going-to-be-bad 'Mechs like the Hellspawn.

Meanwhile, at the Hall of Justice CDS, Piranha.

Gas Guzzler, on 24 October 2017 - 05:36 PM, said:

Yeah I'm not buying that garbage. I think the Men Shen is probably the only IS medium I would buy right now.

How dare you downtalk the Hellspawn! Didn't you ever play MW4?! I have a good build for it right here, in fact (the BAP is a placeholder for the ECM): http://mwo.smurfy-ne...e1ec5f306fdf3a5

November11th, on 24 October 2017 - 11:25 PM, said:

What if PGI defied all expectations and gave us the Lobo?

Would ya'll buy it?
I really like the mech.

It would also be really really neat to have AP Gauss Rifles in the game.

I feel that the Lobo has had its spot taken by the Arctic Wolf. Adding the Lobo as well would just produce two rather similar 'Mechs when we could be getting another Clan 55-tonner, of which there is only currently one, the Stormcrow. My current Clan Medium pick is the Black Lanner for the reasons stated above. Yes, the Vapor Eagle is probably a better pick for this, but it just simply doesn't have that popularity and I know that at least I wouldn't be playing it as much.

Lastly, I think the Rabid Coyote and the Ursus should definitely both be added to this list. They would be on the opposite end of the spectrum from the Lanner; slower, more podspace-heavy Clan Mediums. In the case of the Ursus it would have to be limited to Clan tech unlike in the lore, but that could easily be done. You'd also have to make up some variants, but PGI clearly has had no problem doing that in the past. Thanks go to aforementioned related polls and a certain Sarna article for bringing these MW4 vets back to the forefront of my mind.

Edited by Asriel Dreemur, 25 October 2017 - 01:15 PM.