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[Kuaron]

I absolutely do not understand the new whine about refunds for heroes.
If you buy a Collector’s Pack, you mostly get a CB-boosted variant of a Mech you can buy for CBs half a year later.
The only difference would be that there you know it from the beginning.
Here, with the Heroes, if anyone spent real money for the only reason of having an ingame advantage over people playing for free, and no interest in whatever the Heroes are about else, I wouldn’t feel even a little sorry for him. Well, I would, but not in the kind one could expect first.

[Marius Romanis]

W E N D I G O, on 06 April 2017 - 01:47 AM, said:

Good way to show your true colors PGI.

So you think Summoner Side torso shoulder energy weapons is a good thing? enjoy your real money mechs and 5% of current population to play with if game continues down this path you will only have other people with the same pay to win hardpoints to play against and 1 hour quick play queue times.

You pay to get to play the stuff for MONTHS before anyone else gets to use it, its been, 12 ??? months since that pay to win summoner shoulder came out and the whole mechs been nerfed because of it instead of neg quirking that shoulder for PPC's. It should be the same as mech packs, you get to get it for cbills 4 months later.

[Nimnul]

I want Gargule 4 energy in LT and 4 energy in RT like batlemaster

Edited by Nimnul, 06 April 2017 - 04:41 AM.

[J0anna]

R79TCom1 Night Lanner, on 04 April 2017 - 04:24 PM, said:

Joanna's Hellbringer should be named "Ter."

I was thinking that too (and you are free to change it), but remembering my Latin from school:

"Virago" - a woman who demonstrates exemplary and heroic qualities.

This fits her to a "T", so I can't be too upset with the name.

[J0anna]

CK16, on 04 April 2017 - 06:56 PM, said:

HBR-VI;VIRAGO;

WHAT WE SHOULD GET (ALSO)!
...

Think you might have forgotten this (from Falcon Guard):

"Star Cap­tain Joan­na, who had nev­er won her Blood­name, who now was among the ag­ing war­riors, could not know that among so many sol­diers, she was the ide­al Clan war­rior. Clan mil­itary the­orists as far back as Nicholas Keren­sky him­self would have ad­mired her to­tal ded­ica­tion. On a bat­tle­field she car­ried in no weight that could not in some way be used in the com­bat. Even her ha­tred, deep as it ran, was use­ful to the ob­jec­tives of war­fare. And in the en­tire Jade Fal­con Clan few war­riors could build up a killing growl like Joan­na."
And these facts:

She's in 5 different novels. If not for her training, the Jade Falcons would NOT have obtained a draw on Tukayyid. She trained both Aiden and Diana so they could win their Bloodname. She killed Natasha Kerensky, the Wolf Khan, in single combat earning her own lines in the Remembrance.

Joanna is far more heroic than a huge majority of clan pilots, and even though she never won her Bloodname, she has accomplished far more than many 'Bloodnamed' mechwarriors.....

While I would have been happy with any of the mechs associated with her (Hellbringer, Maddog or Summoner). I am glad they chose the first mech we ever saw her in.

[Lizardman from Hollywood]

Wait wait wait wait. If there is no PTW in these new omni mechs then why are folks asking for a refund because they have juggled hardpoints or are gonna release the omnipods for free at a later date? God I wish I could post a nice philociraptor meme here...

Edited by Sephrus Shanadar, 06 April 2017 - 06:01 AM.

[CK16]

EXE is now listed as Ghost Bear...YES!

[Mcgral18]

W E N D I G O, on 05 April 2017 - 10:41 PM, said:

Yea, like the Ilya Muromets. Such a nice paint job you can give Mechs with those three ballistics... good thing it is an IS chassis. That excludes it from any critical reasoning obviously.

It will be the only Heavy mech capable of bringing 3 RAC5s
Needs an XL (not LFE, only 5 tons of ammo there) and will bring ~ 9 tons of ammo



By the way, my suggestion would make all Hero mechs (and pods) available for Cbills.
Only, without any Cbill bonus, and subject to the same wait time any other GrabDeal is subjected to


New Heroes can stand to be viable without causing (too much) of a commotion
It's amazing what some critical thinking can do.

[Jay Leon Hart]

W E N D I G O, on 05 April 2017 - 11:03 PM, said:

So according to Russ' Twitter the "p2w" doesn't affect Clan Mechs in the future since there will probably Cbill variants of these Mechs/pods released. Inner Sphere non Omni Heroes remain "p2w" though.

Mission accomplished.


@PGI if you do this for Wave 1 Heroes I hope you give refunds for faithful buyers of these? Well, I just assumed you would stick to your buisness model which you did for several years. There was nowhere a note to be found that these would ever be available for CBills.

I want my money back if it comes to this. You think I pay this much for a single texture skin?

3 questions.

1st - Are you saying Clan Battlemechs are all P2W then, if the IS ones are?

2nd - Where does it say "All OmniPods on OmniMech Hero 'mechs will remain exclusive" ?

3rd - Why do you feel entitled to a refund for something that you have used and was received exactly as advertised?

[Jay Leon Hart]

Mcgral18, on 06 April 2017 - 07:19 AM, said:

New Heroes can stand to be viable without causing (too much) of a commotion
It's amazing what some critical thinking can do.

Don't be crazy, we can't have everyone on equal footing. That sounds like a nerf to... somebody!

[Lizardman from Hollywood]

W E N D I G O, on 06 April 2017 - 06:56 AM, said:

Because people payed real money for what you would get for free. It's like giving out free camo unlocks now that some people bought them. Camo is as much p2w as these pod additions. On some occasions your camo might get you an advantage, but usually not. You just look different. Same for those pods. Nothing gamebreaking or metachanging. Not at all.

No, ppl are buying a mech with special camo, cbill bonus, loadout and a mech bay. It honestly should not matter if the pods become generally available to the general pop for free UNLESS there was some kind of advantage in these pods vs the pods that are generally available. You are buying this hero mech just like any other hero mech. Any other arguement makes your Non PTW point of view moot.

[Hornviech]

Why are all Pictures are missleading the actual Hardpoints?

[Jay Leon Hart]

Hornviech, on 06 April 2017 - 09:20 AM, said:

Why are all Pictures are missleading the actual Hardpoints?

"Reasons"

Only the camo is done at this stage, the hard points have not been modelled. Same as with the first Clan Heroes and the Resistance Heroes store pages.

W E N D I G O, on 06 April 2017 - 09:22 AM, said:

Advertised was "only available for MC".

That's not what I asked you. I asked where it said the OmniPods were stated as being exclusively (for money or MC).

Otherwise, since you *can't* but any Hero for anything other than money or MC, you're complaining... why, exactly?

[Jay Leon Hart]

W E N D I G O, on 06 April 2017 - 09:27 AM, said:

Actually, if you re-read my postcritically, I got no problem with PGI making all pods available for Cbills to everyone. But I want my cash back for the Clan Heroes of Wave 1 back, plus the cash I spent for Hero upgrades for every Clan Omni I bought.

That's what gets me mad.

Imo those pods are nowhere near p2w, never where any heroes, be it Clan or Sphere. But they were advertised as MC only. There were official posts about pods being limited to them coming with bought Hero Mechs. Can't just do a 180 because some people unbury the p2w debate for whatever reason and beat the dead horse.

Citation needed.

[Mochyn Pupur]

If you had applied the discount to the "a la carte" option, you would have been far more likely to get cash off of me, but keeping it at $55 is a simple no to opening my wallet to the Wave II & III offers; probably like a lot of other people, I don't need the options you offer because I have 3 or more mechs already from the package and am just looking for the last chassis to round a collection off.

Really not sure where this "offer" is being aimed at tbh . . . . .

[Cy Mitchell]

CadoAzazel, on 06 April 2017 - 02:10 AM, said:

So you think Summoner Side torso shoulder energy weapons is a good thing? enjoy your real money mechs and 5% of current population to play with if game continues down this path you will only have other people with the same pay to win hardpoints to play against and 1 hour quick play queue times.

You pay to get to play the stuff for MONTHS before anyone else gets to use it, its been, 12 ??? months since that pay to win summoner shoulder came out and the whole mechs been nerfed because of it instead of neg quirking that shoulder for PPC's. It should be the same as mech packs, you get to get it for cbills 4 months later.

You know, you keep going on and on about the Summoner with the Loyalty hardpoints. Do you realize that those WILL be available eventually for c-bills or MC which you can win during events? So, if you do not want to pay for them then you can wait and get them for free. Also, as fearsome as the Summoner with the Loyalty side pods is, the Night Gyr is even more fearsome and it is free if you grind the C-Bills.

PGI is in the business of making games. To continue to do so they must make money. If you make stuff and give it away immediately then no one will buy it. No money, no business, no game. You do not have to pay to support the game if you do not want to but if no one pays then you do not have a game either. Do you see why there is a need for PGI to make you wait before they give you all the good stuff for free?

If any of these omni-pods turned one of these Mechs into the best Mech in its weight class then I would be right there with the mob yelling "Pay to Win". But the fact is, none of them make the Mechs that much better and the Mechs that had that potential, such as the Arctic Cheetah, got no help from the Hero pods. No one is forced to play any of these chassis and in every case there is a better alternative that is free.

Pay to optimize? Sure. OK. Pay to Win? Not until they make a pay only hero that is better than the best Kodiak, Marauder IIC Night Gyr, TimberWolf, Warhammer, Battlemaster, Grasshopper, Griffin, Huntsman, Hunchback IIC, Arctic Cheetah and Locust. You want to win more? Play those.

[Cy Mitchell]

Sephrus Shanadar, on 06 April 2017 - 08:09 AM, said:

No, ppl are buying a mech with special camo, cbill bonus, loadout and a mech bay. It honestly should not matter if the pods become generally available to the general pop for free UNLESS there was some kind of advantage in these pods vs the pods that are generally available. You are buying this hero mech just like any other hero mech. Any other arguement makes your Non PTW point of view moot.

Speaking for myself, I do not buy the heroes for camo or the Mech Bay. I have more Mech bays than I will use and I will cover the camo with my own paint scheme which I use on almost all my Mechs. I buy the heroes for the C-Bill bonus, because I want all the variants of some chassis and/or because the Hero offers something unique in terms of load-out.

This time, I per-ordered two. The Hellbringer, I got because I would buy any Hellbringer and it offers a C-Bill bonus. The Mad Dog, I bought because it offers a C-bill bonus and it has ballistics in the LT and RT which is different and I like mixing ballistics and lasers. I will keep the Hellbringer no matter what but if the MDD is changed and loses the Ballistics then I will get a refund on that one.

The Arctic Cheetah is the most powerful Light Mech in the game. The hero offers nothing new for it. Is anyone going to bother buying that?

PGI is in a tough spot. Offer anything new and it is deemed P2W by the "wallet is closed" crowd. Offer nothing new and they will not sell enough to make it worth producing. Make it and give it away too soon and almost no one buys for cash which threatens the continued existence of the company and the game. Make available for MC or make the wait to get free too long and the P2W accusations start flying again. Nerf them so they offer nothing beneficial and they lose sales because a C-Bill bonus is not reason enough to buy.

I know what I would do. Lets see what they do.

Edited by Rampage, 06 April 2017 - 10:32 AM.

[Jay Leon Hart]

W E N D I G O, on 06 April 2017 - 09:44 AM, said:

Btw who do you think you are? I'm accountable to none. The sole reason I post this is that this thread is read by officials.

Thanks, I'll have a looksee.

I think I'm used to people on forums saying everything they think is a fact, so chill your beans.

[Jay Leon Hart]

W E N D I G O, on 06 April 2017 - 09:44 AM, said:

https://mwomercs.com...hero-packs-faq/
https://mwomercs.com...-clan-hero-faq/

Right, read them. So, to clarify.

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Q: How do the OmniPods for these Clan Hero 'Mechs work? Will we be able to buy these OmniPods in the MechLab?
Hero OmniPods cannot be purchased separately from the Hero 'Mech. To acquire Hero OmniPods for use with other variants of that chassis, you must own an instance of the Hero 'Mech to remove and use its OmniPods elsewhere.

So I get what you're saying, but no. If they release an OnmiPod with the same configuration, that it still not the Hero OmniPod.

So I see your argument, I just think it's weak, because most "Hero OmniPods" are replicas of normal ones anyway. If they were all unique? You'd have a leg to stand on. As is? Not so much.

[Nidgar]

I was just wondering are there any additional preorder bonuses? Or is this the new sale concept?