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[Gas Guzzler]

El Bandito, on 04 April 2017 - 06:28 PM, said:

Splatcutioner is pretty decent setup with a bunch of Clan smalls. I think it will be effective.

Eh, Gargoyle has brawling down. I'm looking forward towards the EXE-E now.

[RAM]

Mcgral18, on 04 April 2017 - 04:07 PM, said:

Hero Mechs should not let you have an outright superior robot.
Mostly because I don't plan on giving PGI any money because of decisions like these, so my robots are now inferior by design.

Mechs are not robots. If you cannot get that correct what is the likelihood that the rest of your 'analysis' is?


RAM
ELH

[FupDup]

RAM, on 04 April 2017 - 06:37 PM, said:

Mechs are not robots. If you cannot get that correct what is the likelihood that the rest of your 'analysis' is?


RAM
ELH

Gundams.

[Moonlight Grimoire]

RAM, on 04 April 2017 - 06:37 PM, said:

Mechs are not robots. If you cannot get that correct what is the likelihood that the rest of your 'analysis' is?


RAM
ELH

Battledroids.

[Athom83]

RAM, on 04 April 2017 - 06:37 PM, said:

Mechs are not robots. If you cannot get that correct what is the likelihood that the rest of your 'analysis' is?

Definition of a Mech; "may refer to both scientific ideas and science fiction genres that centers on robots or machines controlled by people."

[Mcgral18]

Athom83, on 04 April 2017 - 06:48 PM, said:

Definition of a Mech; "may refer to both scientific ideas and science fiction genres that centers on robots or machines controlled by people."

To be fair, my use is entirely satirical.

[Cy Mitchell]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 04 April 2017 - 06:09 PM, said:

Even if that isn't the build, 5 ERML/1 LPL is still better off with those pods than without.

Yeah, but would you run that build over the 2LPL/4erML? I do not see a LPL/5erML build being used in comp or CW. Maybe OK in QP.

[VirtualRiot]

Adette Vickers, on 04 April 2017 - 04:44 PM, said:

The Ebon Left torso, and the Hellbringer Right torso are also P2W. High mounted dual gauss Ebon anyone?

Yeah its actually ********. Missile pods for the gargles? Ice ferret gets ECM?
Dont forget clan wave one p2w as well. 2B Arm pods + 2E ST pods with no JJ? Kit fox with stupid high energy mounts that are the only thing that makes the kit fox viable at all?
Starting to really piss me off.

[Jackal Noble]

K but who is gonna buy a hero if it's exactly the same as ones available...save a few?
Conversely, any hero that brings some difference in load out and available for money, even if it is a new hardpoints or moving of hardpoints will be branded as P2W. That said, the set of 8 will likely apply to bring some rational into it, and some of these will have some quirks on top of that (come on ebj)

A cbill only bonus, and funky texture has little allure for players that do actually spend real money on this game. As some have alluded, part of this is the life cycle, part of this is just how the structure of mMO games have to function or evolve their pay model and get in the green - particularly in the case of MWO, as mechs are more or less PGIs bread and butter. I don't really like it anymore than some of you, but it is what is.

Whiners gone whine, haters gone hate, and players that can't handle change will continue to not handle change.
Don't recall this much stink over the IS heroes, weird.

Edited by JackalBeast, 04 April 2017 - 07:15 PM.

[LordNothing]

id be willing to compromise and be able to pay for them with mc. and technically you already can, just sit on your mc until your clan hero goes on sale.

[FupDup]

JackalBeast, on 04 April 2017 - 07:14 PM, said:

K but who is gonna buy a hero if it's exactly the same as ones available...save a few?
Conversely, any hero that brings some difference in load out and available for money, even if it is a new hardpoints or moving of hardpoints will be branded as P2W. That said, the set of 8 will likely apply to bring some rational into it, and some of these will have some quirks on top of that (come on ebj)

A cbill only bonus, and funky texture has little allure for players that do actually spend real money on this game. As some have alluded, part of this is the life cycle, part of this is just how the structure of mMO games have to function or evolve their pay model and get in the green - particularly in the case of MWO, as mechs are more or less PGIs bread and butter. I don't really like it anymore than some of you, but it is what is.

Whiners gone whine, haters gone hate, and players that can't handle change will continue to not handle change.

Pretty much every F2P game ever makes a lot of money off of purely cosmetic skins for units, champs, heroes, etc. Even a buy-to-play game like Overwatch makes a fuckton of money on microtransactions for skins that don't affect combat stats.

JackalBeast, on 04 April 2017 - 07:14 PM, said:

Don't recall this much stink over the IS heroes, weird.

You must have missed the Dragon Slayer (!!!), Ember, and post-quirk Oxide and Huggin.

Also, IS heroes are completely different because they can't mix hardpoints across variants. They have to accept both the strengths AND weaknesses of their innate hardpoint setup. Omnimechs can choose to use only the strong hero pods and then fill in the gaps with strong C-Bill pods to make an overall stronger mech than somebody who uses C-Bill pods alone.

Edited by FupDup, 04 April 2017 - 07:21 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

JackalBeast, on 04 April 2017 - 07:14 PM, said:

Don't recall this much stink over the IS heroes, weird.

That's because none of them stand out as particularly good. They are either exactly as good as what's already available or worse. The two that might be genuinely more powerful are the GHR (Gauss+PPC poptart) and MAL (KDK-3 wannabe), but those come with all of the drawbacks that are inherent to IS.

The Clan Heroes are OmniMechs, meaning that whatever looks good on them can be combined with what is already good on existing versions to make something even better. Not as big of a deal for mediocre chassis like the KFX and MLX, potentially game-altering on 'Mechs like the EBJ or EXE.

Of course, the new tech might make a lot of this moot because, mostly, the new stuff helps 'Mechs that are less good more than it helps the current cream of the crop.

[Jackal Noble]

Right, but when (what is still going to be called inferior) new IS tech drops it will help bridge that gap some.

[justcallme A S H]

Bridge the gap?

IS XL is still the thing with new tech therefore the grand canyon still exists.

[Mcgral18]

Yeonne Greene, on 04 April 2017 - 07:19 PM, said:

That's because none of them stand out as particularly good. They are either exactly as good as what's already available or worse. The two that might be genuinely more powerful are the GHR (Gauss+PPC poptart) and MAL (KDK-3 wannabe), but those come with all of the drawbacks that are inherent to IS.

The Clan Heroes are OmniMechs, meaning that whatever looks good on them can be combined with what is already good on existing versions to make something even better. Not as big of a deal for mediocre chassis like the KFX and MLX, potentially game-altering on 'Mechs like the EBJ or EXE.

Of course, the new tech might make a lot of this moot because, mostly, the new stuff helps 'Mechs that are less good more than it helps the current cream of the crop.

Is the Murdermets the only non-Assault who can mount (kinda effectively) 3 RAC5s?

[Y E O N N E]

Mcgral18, on 04 April 2017 - 07:31 PM, said:

Is the Murdermets the only non-Assault who can mount (kinda effectively) 3 RAC5s?

AFAIK, yes. The Roughneck has the hardpoint spread for it, but I don't think it will have the tonnage since the JM6 is already stretched pretty thin running 3xUAC/5. You would only have 5 tons of ammo if running an XL280.

[Carl Vickers]

Yeonne Greene, on 04 April 2017 - 07:34 PM, said:

AFAIK, yes. The Roughneck has the hardpoint spread for it, but I don't think it will have the tonnage since the JM6 is already stretched pretty thin running 3xUAC/5. You would only have 5 tons of ammo if running an XL280.

Speed becomes an issue with that engine as well. The most competitive IS mechs run 80+ km, if you have too many IS mechs doing sub 70 km you cant re-position quickly enough to take advantage of situations that arise.

[jjm1]

Yeah only thing that should be pay-walled in a competitive game is cosmetics. MWO has turned into PokeMech, more exclusive junk to extract a few dollars more, and less (read: zero) tangible upgrades to the game itself.

If your still waiting for PGI to make a competitive game out of this thing, your going to be waiting a long time.

[Y E O N N E]

Carl Vickers, on 04 April 2017 - 07:38 PM, said:

Speed becomes an issue with that engine as well. The most competitive IS mechs run 80+ km, if you have too many IS mechs doing sub 70 km you cant re-position quickly enough to take advantage of situations that arise.

True, though I would point out that the game has changed a little bit. The NTG runs even slower than that, for starters, and dakka is usually used in relatively static roles to begin with. Since it has range and sustain, it isn't necessary for it to move as much.

Basically, if it can keep pace with the KDK or NTG, it's on the table. What takes it off the table are other factors like isXL, geo, hardpoint placement, etc.

[ProfPyro]

justcallme A S H, on 04 April 2017 - 07:31 PM, said:

Bridge the gap?

IS XL is still the thing with new tech therefore the grand canyon still exists.

Great Caesar's ghost you're getting the LFE to bridge the durability gap. You're also getting a crapton of interesting new stuff while clans will get ridiculously hot lasers and few lighter utility tools. ATMs are the only thing that clans get that look interesting/useful.