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[Pr8Dator]

Even though player skill is all that really matters, you only get an awesome kitfox like the one below if you pay with cash...



Twin high mount ERPPC, ECM, Jumpjets, extreme small profile, fast... the ultimate sniper...

Edited by Pr8Dator, 06 April 2017 - 06:26 PM.

[Requiemking]

Erm, Kit Foxes are pretty big for chicken-walker lights........and last I checked 97 KPH was extremely slow for any 30 tonner.......

[RAM]

'PTW', 'awesome', 'extremely small', 'fast' nor 'ultimate' mean what you seem to think they mean...


RAM
ELH

[Trenchbird]

I totally take... The OP seriously... Because he types like this... As though his speech... Pauses every few seconds...

It's a freaking Kit Fox. Unless you are one of like, three people, they really aren't incredibly effective. Especially in the role of light Clanspec sniping; because the Jenner IIC, available for C-Bills, has a variant that count mount twin high ERPPCs on separate parts of the body, with more armor and speed.

Sure, it can't mount the "Jesus Box". But I stopped taking ECM as seriously outside of CW when I realized how Radar Derp is better for individual sniping.

Edited by Catten Hart, 06 April 2017 - 06:53 PM.

[Cy Mitchell]

Yeah, the Kit Fox got better when the Purifier omni-pods were introduced. But if you want to win, would you take a Kit Fox over a Arctic Cheetah or a Locust or a Spyder or a Adder? Would you? All of them are all free and they will win you more game than a Kit Fox, even with the Purifier side torso.

Not P2W.

[Snazzy Dragon]

Rampage, on 06 April 2017 - 06:59 PM, said:

Yeah, the Kit Fox got better when the Purifier omni-pods were introduced. But if you want to win, would you take a Kit Fox over a Arctic Cheetah or a Locust or a Spyder or a Adder? Would you? All of them are all free and they will win you more game than a Kit Fox, even with the Purifier side torso.

Not P2W.

This may surprise you, but the cheetah serves a completely different role than the kit fox.

I mean, the most snipy build for the cheetah is 2 ER large lasers, and that's not even effective; it's just a douche build.

Try sticking 8 SPL on a cheetah with 16 DHS, heat gen quirks, energy range quirks, and normalized heat dissipation

Oh, right, you can't

[Mystere]

Catten Hart, on 06 April 2017 - 06:51 PM, said:

I totally take... The OP seriously... Because he types like this... As though his speech... Pauses every few seconds...

It's called "shortness of breath", keyboard style.

Snazzy Dragon, on 06 April 2017 - 07:12 PM, said:

it's just a douche build.

Well, it seems effective enough if people are hurling disdainful insults at it.

Edited by Mystere, 06 April 2017 - 07:23 PM.

[Mcgral18]

Maybe on a 50% off sale

3 high mounted HMLs (and 1 in the ECM arm), ECM, 18 DHS and a TC1?

Maybe (or maybe not)
HLL, 3 ERML? All high mounted, 17 sinks (I'll wager not nearly enough)





Shame the Cute Fox has to be paywalled, to be useful

Mystere, on 06 April 2017 - 07:22 PM, said:

Well, it seems effective enough if people are hurling disdainful insults at it.

That's about as effective as the build is, itself
Throwing insults, at 800M

[Snazzy Dragon]

Mcgral18, on 06 April 2017 - 07:24 PM, said:

That's about as effective as the build is, itself
Throwing insults, at 800M

It tickles my pride more than my armor. :'l

[Mystere]

Mcgral18, on 06 April 2017 - 07:24 PM, said:

That's about as effective as the build is, itself
Throwing insults, at 800M

Well, no one did define what "effective" actually meant. And it does seem to create butthurt-filled reactions.

[Y E O N N E]

Mystere, on 06 April 2017 - 07:28 PM, said:

Well, no one did define what "effective" actually meant. And it does seem to create butthurt-filled reactions.

Usually on the allied team. When they are hurting the enemy, it's applause all day.

[NRP]

Catten Hart, on 06 April 2017 - 06:51 PM, said:

It's a freaking Kit Fox. Unless you are one of like, three people, they really aren't incredibly effective.

LOL. Yeah, if your name isn't Fox with a Shotgun, the Kit Fox isn't really anything to worry about.

[Cy Mitchell]

Snazzy Dragon, on 06 April 2017 - 07:12 PM, said:

This may surprise you, but the cheetah serves a completely different role than the kit fox.

I mean, the most snipy build for the cheetah is 2 ER large lasers, and that's not even effective; it's just a douche build.

Try sticking 8 SPL on a cheetah with 16 DHS, heat gen quirks, energy range quirks, and normalized heat dissipation

Oh, right, you can't

It does not surprise me. I know what a Cheetah can do and what its limitations are. What would surprise me is if someone choose a Kit Fox over a Cheetah or any of the other Mechs I listed in a "must win" situation. By the way, you can add the Raven to my list.

[Khobai]

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Twin high mount ERPPC, ECM, Jumpjets, extreme small profile, fast... the ultimate sniper...

extreme small profile? wtf are you smoking. kitfox is enormous for a 30 tonner. its seriously the size of most 40-45 tonners.

and fast? it goes 105kph... when most other 30 tonners go 130+ kph. its slow as sh*t for its tonnage.

the fact it gets ecm and jumpjets doesnt even begin to make up for its drawbacks. the kitfox basically has one role: finding an assault buddy and supporting them. its totally incapable of functioning independently because of its lack of survivability and speed.


dont get me wrong. theres totally legit examples of the new clan heros being pay2win. like the hero hellbringer. and probably the hero arctic cheetah. but the hero kitfox is definitely not one of them.

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Shame the Cute Fox has to be paywalled, to be useful

except its still not as good as other options, even then

the arctic cheetah can now have 4 lasers and 3 machine guns with the new omnipods. that makes it king again IMO. since the only thing limiting the arctic cheetah before was heat.

Edited by Khobai, 06 April 2017 - 08:42 PM.

[Tarogato]

Rampage, on 06 April 2017 - 06:59 PM, said:

Yeah, the Kit Fox got better when the Purifier omni-pods were introduced. But if you want to win, would you take a Kit Fox over a Arctic Cheetah or a Locust or a Spyder or a Adder? Would you? All of them are all free and they will win you more game than a Kit Fox, even with the Purifier side torso.

Not P2W.

Yes, I would take a Kitfox over an Arctic Cheetah. The only environment where the Kitfox falls short is high level competitive team play (like MRBC 8v8 for instance). But in solo queue? Hero Kitfox will net you better results. In group queue? Probably still the Kitfox. In a 1v1 tournament? Actually... the Kitfox.

When I was raving to my unit about how good the Purifier was, one of my mates was like "Jenner IIC will do the same thing better".

So I actually tested it. Solo queue only, same loadouts, same number of matches (very close). For January (Leaderboard season 7) I played only the Purifer, and for February (Leaderboard season 8) I played only the Jenner IIC-A. These were my results:



You can go look at the leaderboards for 7 and 8 and filter by lights - my numbers are there, and I assure you that each season was played exclusively on that mech and no other mechs, and always solo queue during my normal playing hours. I played at my best for both chassis - if the Jenner was actually better, I wanted to find out for myself, so I gave it my all. I controlled about as many variables as I could, and the Kitfox came out on top by a fairly significant margin.

For the record, I believe I used an XL280 on the Jenner IIC-A.

[Tarogato]

Khobai, on 06 April 2017 - 08:32 PM, said:

extreme small profile? wtf are you smoking. kitfox is enormous for a 30 tonner. its seriously the size of most 40-45 tonners.

Actually, for ridge peaking, yeah, the Purifier is tiny. With 6 cERML, I find myself only firing 4 of them at times due to heat, and just hillhumping. And for each of these mechs, this is how much they need to expose to fire 4 lasers:

[TheArisen]

P2win doesn't mean you will for sure win. It means you paid RL money to gain an advantage over other players. Would you be ok with someone using an aimbot if they paid for it? No? Then why be okay with omnipods that give an advantage?

[Requiemking]

TheArisen, on 06 April 2017 - 10:49 PM, said:

P2win doesn't mean you will for sure win. It means you paid RL money to gain an advantage over other players. Would you be ok with someone using an aimbot if they paid for it? No? Then why be okay with omnipods that give an advantage?

Because most of the time said advantage is pointless because it always occurs on mech nobody play anyways? Like having 6 E Hardpoints on the MLX. Sounds great, until you realise that, unless you feel like using ERSLs, you are never going to have enough heatsinks to cool any decent energy build.

[Mcgral18]

Requiemking, on 06 April 2017 - 10:54 PM, said:

Because most of the time said advantage is pointless because it always occurs on mech nobody play anyways? Like having 6 E Hardpoints on the MLX. Sounds great, until you realise that, unless you feel like using ERSLs, you are never going to have enough heatsinks to cool any decent energy build.

Viper does 6 SPLs just fine on 11 DHS
The 10 DHS (minus TrueDubs, plus Quirks) should be adequate

[Y E O N N E]

Mcgral18, on 06 April 2017 - 10:59 PM, said:

Viper does 6 SPLs just fine on 11 DHS
The 10 DHS (minus TrueDubs, plus Quirks) should be adequate

You can get 11 on 6x cSPL that MLX.

More interestingly, you can get an additional 3 with cHSL...