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[Appogee]

Wow. The OP sounds really butthurt that he's not getting his P2W crutch.



(I congratulate PGI for coming up with a great solution to avoiding the cancer of P2W.)

Edited by Appogee, 13 April 2017 - 04:26 AM.

[Alan Davion]

Snazzy Dragon, on 13 April 2017 - 01:07 AM, said:

Particularly when none of the heroes haven't even been "neutered."

Actually the Ferret as a whole did get a pretty heavy overall preventative nerf, not a specific variant nerf. With the move of the ECM hardpoint from the LT to the CT, PGI prevented a pretty massive proliferation of ECM which would have actually made the Ferret as a whole not so mediocre a mech.

Now with the hero ECM point moved, and the introduction of this non-canon Ferret P, only two Ferrets get ECM instead of like a half-dozen Ferrets. We might have seen a lot more Ferrets on the field if the ECM had remained in the LT. This was more a quality of life nerf than anything. The Ferret will remain quite mediocre with the exception of the Hero and P, being the only two that get ECM.

The Shadow Cat and Exe hero pods would have just been straight powercreep upgrades to those chassis, so something needed to be done.

[Lily from animove]

ferret isn't mediocre, it has some decent wepaons with SPL's and is probably the best clanmech in scouting. Some paywall ecm would seriously gave it some p2w smell.

you also don't know how the hero variants work, with a hero ecm in the LT there would be only one pod available (because you can't buy pods only, not even if you bought the hero). This would mean everyone who bought the hero IFR could have mixed the one ecm pod to all ferrets, Which means someone investing money had a HUGE usability of that ecm. With the change everyone can have the ecm IFR or even multiple ones, only sacrifice is the CT Hardpoint. And thats fine otherwise I would go with a ecm laserboating IFR-A and that woudl be the best and superior version you can get.

Edited by Lily from animove, 13 April 2017 - 04:59 AM.

[NextGame]

Mikato Soul, on 12 April 2017 - 07:30 PM, said:

Great job, a small number of the loudest whiners have lead to a neutering of the latest clan mech release. Like seriously, Club Penguin shut down, and now the same people want MWO to be their new "safe place".

The same people who whined about it, wouldn't have the skill to make any difference with or with out them anyways. Instead they are just stifling creativity and mech science for every one else.

Congratulations, the terrorists have won.

*Edit:C bill variants I dig, but there are still several nerfed variants that will never have their full glory.

https://mwomercs.com...clan-hero-mechs

lol

"terrorists".

These forums would be so dull without sensationalists to spice things up.

Edited by NextGame, 13 April 2017 - 05:13 AM.

[Snowbluff]

Snazzy Dragon, on 13 April 2017 - 01:07 AM, said:

If you equate players from a game's community expressing their concerns with "terrorists," I think you are delusional.

Particularly when none of the heroes haven't even been "neutered."

SHC hero. -1 missile hardpoint.

[N0ni]

Wil McCullough, on 13 April 2017 - 12:52 AM, said:

if you were going to spend $15 to get the scat for its camo and unique hard point (which it still has), you'd still have.

The "unique" pod that it still has, does not change build diversity. There is no point in buying the hero just for the camo when i have the Invasion variant.

Also, there is a difference between buying it for an advantage and buying for science. Don't just assume "oh you just wanted an advantage and you're just salty now" because i was legitimately curious to see if you could fit 4 ATMs and still retain the ECM without too much sacrifice.

With this change it just narrows the list down of what i might pick up, probably just the Mad Dog, Ebon, and HBR. Unless enough people cry about those to get changed as well.

[R Valentine]

Counter-powercreep wins.

[Mystere]

Lupis Volk, on 12 April 2017 - 11:40 PM, said:

Sigh Twitter, THE Official Forum.

Have patience, Padawan, have patience.

[Mystere]

CadoAzazel, on 13 April 2017 - 01:32 AM, said:

1v1 me bro

Who's next?!

Edited by Mystere, 13 April 2017 - 07:15 AM.

[Wil McCullough]

N0ni, on 13 April 2017 - 06:23 AM, said:

Also, there is a difference between buying it for an advantage and buying for science. Don't just assume "oh you just wanted an advantage and you're just salty now" because i was legitimately curious to see if you could fit 4 ATMs and still retain the ECM without too much sacrifice.

maybe it's just me being cynical but i find it hard to believe that it's about "science" and less about gaining an advantage.

anyone familiar with the scat would know that the (old? new?) missile torso hardpoint means that compared to the old splatscat build, it allows you to move the asrm6 from its left arm to its right torso, allowing you to deadside (remove the laser in the right arm + one heat sink to add 2 more tons of ammo or case). not a small advantage considering scat arms are paper thin.

[Mystere]

Wil McCullough, on 13 April 2017 - 07:29 AM, said:

maybe it's just me being cynical but i find it hard to believe that it's about "science" and less about gaining an advantage.

Yes, I say you are indeed being cynical because some people do buy things just to have something different and couldn't care less about hot-topic issues like P2W and power creep.

[Sniper09121986]

Lily from animove, on 13 April 2017 - 04:54 AM, said:

ferret isn't mediocre, it has some decent wepaons with SPL's and is probably the best clanmech in scouting. Some paywall ecm would seriously gave it some p2w smell.

you also don't know how the hero variants work, with a hero ecm in the LT there would be only one pod available (because you can't buy pods only, not even if you bought the hero). This would mean everyone who bought the hero IFR could have mixed the one ecm pod to all ferrets, Which means someone investing money had a HUGE usability of that ecm. With the change everyone can have the ecm IFR or even multiple ones, only sacrifice is the CT Hardpoint. And thats fine otherwise I would go with a ecm laserboating IFR-A and that woudl be the best and superior version you can get.

Now, I would like to elaborate on that. First, let us consider the opponent's perspective. You can only run one mech at a time, so the LT omnipod availability really matters only in FP. If that omnipod was available for cbills you would see no more Ferrets than you would if a player bought 2-4 Ferrets-P and stuffed them with ECM. And he would not even have to level them up separately.

From an owner's point of view it makes the P variant the one and only Ferret worth having which nullifies all progress made with existing Ferrets. Now what if I have an invasion cbill earning variant and feel no desire to pay once more, for a functional hero this time? So I say give the Ferret its LT for ECM for cbills that would compete with missile LT from another variant, just as it was dome with that Hellbringer 2E RT. Everybody wins!

[Mole]

ITT, whiners whining about whiners whining.

Thumbs up, PGI.

[1453 R]

Some power occasionally needs to be crept.

The Shadow Cat as a chassis is just outright bad, without enough hardpoints to run anything but extremely narrow, niche-effective at best poptart loadouts. An extra missile hardpoint didn't help those, wouldn't/won't help with heavy lasers - i.e. the only possible thing that might make the Shadow Cat actually viable - but WOULD help with builds that wanted to do something else with a 'Mech that is great fun to pilot but eternally underarmed and safe for most to ignore.

Mist Lynx? Same deal.

Executioner? Same deal - and its new 3E pod does not even begin to make up for the loss of viable missile builds on the chassis.

Many of the 'Mechs in this release were getting crept, yes. They NEEDED it, the same way many older Sphere 'Mechs could use some retroactive creeping of their own. Paywalling those changes is bad, but y'know what? So is demanding that sh!tMechs stay sh!tMechs forever because "Powah creep is bad!"

The creep has happened. Catching sh!tMechs up to levels within visual range of existing creeps is not power creeping. It's balancing. This from someone who hasn't acquired any of these Heroes and likely won't bother now, given that we're back to Heroes being required to be strictly worse than all existing C-bill options or we get outrage.

I don't mind Heroes being equivalent to other machines. I don't want to Pay 4 Winning, but frankly none of these were going to be Pay 4 Winning anyways. There are not enough hardpoints, isn't enough ECM, in the entire world to make the Ice Ferret good. There is not enough anything in the world to make the Mist Lynx good.

Stop using 'Power Creep is Bad!' as an excuse to squash any and all attempts to fix old bad sh!tMechs.

[Jables McBarty]

*Reads OP*

*Reads the first twenty replies*

Mikato Soul, on 12 April 2017 - 07:30 PM, said:

*Edit 2: Holy hell did this do an amazing job at stirring up every social justice warrior, blind pleb, and general MWO stereo type possible. Congrats, you all get blue ribbons just for showing up.

wut.

[Hal Greaves]

Alan Davion, on 13 April 2017 - 04:37 AM, said:

The Shadow Cat and Exe hero pods would have just been straight powercreep upgrades to those chassis, so something needed to be done.

I would hardly call 4xSRM6 powercreep, we have plenty of mechs that do this and more already. It was a major increase in build diversity and allowed them to have a more unique place other than energyweaponspam like they are now.

[cazidin]

Why have the Moderators let a thread with THIS title stay, but [REDACTED]* was jettisoned? At least change the title.

*[REDACTED] by me. Nobody else. Mention of any threads, jettisoned or otherwise, are completely coincidentally and are not intended to lead to a conversation about why. These things happen, I feel bad for whomever this has happened to. I am legally obligated to state this. Kids, remember, lawyers are expensive!

Edited by cazidin, 13 April 2017 - 10:57 AM.

[1453 R]

cazidin, on 13 April 2017 - 10:56 AM, said:

Why have the Moderators let a thread with THIS title stay, but [REDACTED]* was jettisoned? At least change the title.

*[REDACTED] by me. Nobody else. Mention of any threads, jettisoned or otherwise, are completely coincidentally and are not intended to lead to a conversation about why. These things happen, I feel bad for whomever this has happened to. I am legally obligated to state this. Kids, remember, lawyers are expensive!

Oh, yes. As much as I dislike this direction from PGI for the Clan Heroes, the OP's title and rhetoric are in appallingly poor taste. Actually took me a while to click the thread simply because I don't really feel like dealing with a thread/writer who figures that's a valid way to lambast people.

[Bud Crue]

cazidin, on 13 April 2017 - 10:56 AM, said:

Why have the Moderators let a thread with THIS title stay, but [REDACTED]* was jettisoned? At least change the title.

*[REDACTED] by me. Nobody else. Mention of any threads, jettisoned or otherwise, are completely coincidentally and are not intended to lead to a conversation about why. These things happen, I feel bad for whomever this has happened to. I am legally obligated to state this. Kids, remember, lawyers are expensive!

Wait a sec...if the title is ok and even an appropriate use of the word "terrorists", as some of the above posters have argued (and the inaction by the mods seems to suggest), then does that make MWO a virtual terrorist training camp?

And here I thought I was playing a video game about stompy robots. Who knew its real nefarious role?

Dang I love lexacography.

[Dollar Bill]

Vellron2005, on 13 April 2017 - 12:35 AM, said:

Or as translated from Tryhard:

"You lesser beings of potato land, cose' of your overwhelming noobness, I won't be able to field my next OP stomp machine and walk all over you even more effectively! You disgust me peasants! Weeee, Weee weee I say!"

Typical Tier 1 elitist rant..

Go cry to mommy...

Haters gona hate. I enjoy making potato salad out of you scrubs. Don't hate, "Get Gud" son.

Edited by Dollar Bill, 13 April 2017 - 11:16 AM.