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[justcallme A S H]

Johnny Z, on 25 April 2017 - 05:19 AM, said:

The very concept of cheating is disgusting to me, why would I record it.

[Johnny Z]

Roughneck45, on 25 April 2017 - 05:21 AM, said:

lol

Ohhhhhhhh Johnny, you crazy mother f**cker hahaha. Don't stop being you dude.

Say that to my face. Just like that to and aggressively. Also make sure your a tough guy or don't rattle the cage.

Edited by Johnny Z, 25 April 2017 - 05:46 AM.

[Hindenhoot]

I accidentally/unintentionally popped a guy with a headshot from an AC20 yesterday on first contact while aiming for his CT. He was screaming at me all caps.....it was kind of an honour to actually be called a hacker for once.

In all seriousness has this game ever really had a hacking problem? I'm only at T4 atm but this game seems pretty hacker free (if not completely) and has a higher than normal percentage of very dedicated core players who are just really ****ing good.

The amount of money the more invested players have put into the game suggests anyone who cares enough to hack probably wouldn't risk the money they have put into it (if that makes any sense).

[Johnny Z]

Its good to see what side of the fence everyone is concerning hacks and such things. I am getting a laugh out of the line up of really bads though.

Edited by Johnny Z, 25 April 2017 - 05:54 AM.

[Douglas grizzly]

Do aimbots and hacks exist? yes they do and i report those people consistently with proof to pgi when it happens. That being said i have found it is not that hard to aim and core someone at 1k with lasers or er ppc if i get a sec or two to aim. Do i lrm on occasion, but of course and even then against seasoned players they are not that effective. I have found recently when playing against certain groups they are seeking me out and focusing on me and i take that as a compliment since if left alone i can be effective in both faction or quicks. in faction even against decent to good groups i make it a standard to get a minimum of 4 kills and in quicks minimum of at least one kill. its not that hard and after awhile when you find people focusing on you before any one else you need to do 2 things. first learn how to peek and poke and when and also take it as a compliment.

[Vxheous]

RJF Volkodav, on 25 April 2017 - 04:50 AM, said:

Yeah. Go report them if you find. But i'm telling you to look at top skill pilots, not random streamers.
You can easily find them opening roster lists of top tier comp teams on MRBC site for example.
Most of that players wont have a big problem hitting any desired location from any distance. Especially in QP when opposing forces give you tonns of time to aim and shoot because they dont return-fire well.

It's no use Volkodav, Johnny Z thinks he's the epitome of MWO skill, so anyone the appears better than him can't actually be better and is hacking. In his mind, every person on the rosters of top tier comp teams are hacking. You are hacking, I am hacking, Ash is hacking, etc. Everyone here that is against his claims are actually REALLY BADS and all rely on aimbots. What you and I understand to be top skilled players, he considers them hackers.

I've come to the conclusion a long time ago that Johnny Z is either A: A really good troll getting a rise out of all of us, or B: Beyond Delusional

Edited by Vxheous Kerensky, 25 April 2017 - 05:59 AM.

[Colonel ONeill]

Dahoota, on 25 April 2017 - 05:49 AM, said:

In all seriousness has this game ever really had a hacking problem?

Depends on who your are listening to.

Johnnytrolly believes everybody better than him is hacking.

The thruth is though, that the top 5% players in this game are far far away from the average. Most of the proven cheaters so far have been average.

[Johnny Z]

Vxheous Kerensky, on 25 April 2017 - 05:55 AM, said:

It's no use Volkodav, Johnny Z thinks he's the epitome of MWO skill, so anyone the appears better than him can't actually be better and is hacking. In his mind, every person on the rosters of top tier comp teams are hacking. You are hacking, I am hacking, Ash is hacking, etc. Everyone here that is against his claims are actually REALLY BADS and all rely on aimbots. What you and I understand to be top skilled players, he considers them hackers.

I've come to the conclusion a long time ago that Johnny Z is either A: A really good troll getting a rise out of all of us, or B: Beyond Delusional

No I don't. Just like any other legit player with experience I think with luck and a few other factors I can do well in a match.

I have some good idea of what impossible legit shots are and what hacks are.

Trying to get hackers as upset as possible in this topic because I think they are funny being really bad and using cheats and then saying they are good.

See to me there is nothing better than playing legit and making the most of it and part of that is making fun of cheats.

Being basically incapable of lying helps with not being delusional, theres a lesson there.

Anyone using any cheat thinking they are good are delusional.

Edited by Johnny Z, 25 April 2017 - 06:03 AM.

[Vxheous]

Johnny Z, on 25 April 2017 - 06:01 AM, said:

No I don't. Just like any other legit player with experience I think with luck and a few other factors I can do well in a match.

I have some good idea of what impossible legit shots are and what hacks are.

Trying to get hackers as upset as possible in this topic because I think they are funny being really bad and using cheats and then saying they are good.

See to me there is nothing better than playing legit and making the most of it and part of that is making fun of cheats.

You might as well list everyone in this thread that you think is really bad and using cheats, screw the name/shame, this thread is going to K-town/deleted as soon as a mod wakes up. Back up your innuendo that we're all hackers.

Edited by Vxheous Kerensky, 25 April 2017 - 06:03 AM.

[Willard Phule]

Johnny Z, on 25 April 2017 - 05:19 AM, said:

The very concept of cheating is disgusting to me, why would I record it.

Playing sports does that. Sports does have cheats as well.

One time In a try out on a one on one drill I was given a late pass so being just a try out, I reached back not expecting to be charged, got hit really hard. I eventually ended up playing only games for that team and only games for another team. Both of which hundreds tried out for.

My goal tender had his jaw broken and wired shut by a team mate during practice.

Its when there are no spectators that the real dirty stuff happens.

I could go on but this sort of stuff makes the very idea of dirty gameplay repulsive.

Like I said on these forums a quite a while ago, I was spectating a hockey game and was asked to referee it... I accepted and it was one of the toughest things I ever did in hockey.

I don't envy referees in sports or even a game like this.

Played Rugby, Lacross, Hockey, Track and field and chess competitively, chess is boring, stopped at 12.

Look, man, I'm not saying they don't exist....I was around for when Counter Strike got it's first color based aimbots. They're always going to be out there...it's a matter of who can code better. PGI doesn't overwhelm anyone with confidence along those lines.

Thing is, everything with this game is server resident. That's why the HSR is so borked. In theory, it should be relatively simple for an admin to review a match to discover if there is anything inadvertent about someone's performance. They SHOULD be able to pull up a report of that person's match and see the overall percentage of where his/her shots are landing. If they're 95%+ on a single location, something is fishy. Pull up another random match the guy played in recently and compare the results. Simple as that. Doesn't even need anyone to watch a recording of the match, just look at the numbers.

Either way, the point is that it's PGI's responsibility to police the servers....not us. Report if you have to, supply whatever requirements they have and drive on. Remember who you're working with here.

[Johnny Z]

Willard Phule, on 25 April 2017 - 06:03 AM, said:

Look, man, I'm not saying they don't exist....I was around for when Counter Strike got it's first color based aimbots. They're always going to be out there...it's a matter of who can code better. PGI doesn't overwhelm anyone with confidence along those lines.

Thing is, everything with this game is server resident. That's why the HSR is so borked. In theory, it should be relatively simple for an admin to review a match to discover if there is anything inadvertent about someone's performance. They SHOULD be able to pull up a report of that person's match and see the overall percentage of where his/her shots are landing. If they're 95%+ on a single location, something is fishy. Pull up another random match the guy played in recently and compare the results. Simple as that. Doesn't even need anyone to watch a recording of the match, just look at the numbers.

Either way, the point is that it's PGI's responsibility to police the servers....not us. Report if you have to, supply whatever requirements they have and drive on. Remember who you're working with here.

Couldn't agree more.

But cheats telling legit players they are bad, or abusing them, and that there is always someone better bothers me, a lot.

See I know for sure they are using cheats to do this. A legit good player wouldn't tell other legit players they are bad. Its the cheats that are bad at this game.

So all I see is really bad players trolling legit players, without any doubts at all. Let them run their hacks and know full well everyone knows they are and that they are trash for doing it.

Edited by Johnny Z, 25 April 2017 - 06:11 AM.

[Alexander of Macedon]

Anyone who thinks MWO is full of hackers is incredibly sheltered. I played hundreds of hours of CS back in the day. You don't get to say it's is rampant until you get at least one blatantly obvious aimbotter or waller every thirty-odd minutes-and I'm talking tracking people's heads through map terrain and insta-headshotting five or six people in as many seconds.

And even then, the false hackusations massively outweighed actual cheaters-heard 3-4 accusations minimum for every actual incident.

Same deal all the way back in Quake. It's always been the way in shooters, baddies assume that anyone better than them is cheating and whine incessantly about it instead of trying to improve their own play.

Edited by Alexander of Macedon, 25 April 2017 - 06:25 AM.

[B L O O D W I T C H]

I should just release a twistbot to counter all those aimbots

[Mister Blastman]

Record dog says...



... not a whole lot. By your stats, OP, I think you need to improve at the game, not call folks cheaters. Your stats show you are an easy target.

[Johnny Z]

Alexander of Macedon, on 25 April 2017 - 06:25 AM, said:

Anyone who thinks MWO is full of hackers is incredibly sheltered. I played hundreds of hours of CS back in the day. You don't get to say it's is rampant until you get at least one blatantly obvious aimbotter or waller every thirty-odd minutes-and I'm talking tracking people's heads through map terrain and insta-headshotting five or six people in as many seconds.

And even then, the false hackusations massively outweighed actual cheaters-heard 3-4 accusations minimum for every actual incident.

Same deal all the way back in Quake. It's always been the way in shooters, baddies assume that anyone better than them is cheating and whine incessantly about it instead of trying to improve their own play.

Ya some things never change. I didn't play those older games but it seems standard procedure to call legit players complaining about hacks bads. Like there isn't any hacking and cheating going on or something.

No one has to believe you how good some of the best players are, they can watch the world championships and see how some the best legit players play.

Edited by Johnny Z, 25 April 2017 - 06:38 AM.

[Humpday]

MountainRat, on 24 April 2017 - 06:56 PM, said:

Is PGI ever going to do anything about the hacks that are being used? When you get hit from 1000 yds in nothing but CT it is obvious they are being used! Why play if you have to cheat?

Have you not heard of a gaming mouse? http://gaming.logite...-us/gaming-mice
I can CT you at 1k with the sniper button bud... Theres no aimbot going on, its proper equipment.

Well unless you get head shot(dead)...thats another thing. Thats suspect at that range.

edit 2: I think you need to practice more man....use cover, dont' walk out in the open. Your performance is less than ideal for you to be complaining/accusing.

edit 3: How do you you let an ERLL full burn you at 1K to the CT lol. Your CT can move man...shield.

Edited by Humpday, 25 April 2017 - 07:14 AM.

[Wil McCullough]

johnny, you DO jump to the "you made an impossible shot, you must be hacking" conclusion way, way, way too quickly.

i've dropped with and against you a number of times and all it takes is for someone to strip one of your components off cleanly for you to start ranting.

you're not a bad pilot and i'm always more than happy to see your name in my team in qp, but seriously damn dude, you pull the hax card way too easily and quickly.

[Johnny Z]

Wil McCullough, on 25 April 2017 - 06:45 AM, said:

johnny, you DO jump to the "you made an impossible shot, you must be hacking" conclusion way, way, way too quickly.

i've dropped with and against you a number of times and all it takes is for someone to strip one of your components off cleanly for you to start ranting.

you're not a bad pilot and i'm always more than happy to see your name in my team in qp, but seriously damn dude, you pull the hax card way too easily and quickly.

Haha. Only in team chat if anything and I dont mind calling out the situation to team mates.

On the bright side I play quite often and I don't face the same hacker more than once often. So if I was asked to name even one dirty player, I couldn't. Ok maybe one but thats only because multiple players are using the same account I believe and cant be sure of.

Edited by Johnny Z, 25 April 2017 - 06:54 AM.

[Wil McCullough]

Johnny Z, on 25 April 2017 - 06:50 AM, said:

Haha. Only in team chat if anything and I dont mind calling out the situation to team mates.

thing is, most of time it's interpreted less of "calling out the situation" and a lot more of "damn it, johnny's tilting earlier in the game than expected".

iirc, it actually affects your in-game performance. once it happens, you start oscillating between being extremely passive and extremely suicidal to prove that the guy "hacking" can nail you again with the same impossible shot .

[Mole]

Ah. I love it when Johnny Z is off his meds. Buckets o' entertainment.