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[TercieI]

Xiphias, on 25 April 2017 - 07:41 PM, said:

If you unlock the skill you can run two coolshots.

I was running 1 UAV, 2 strikes, and 2 coolshots on the PTS earlier. The problem with this is that:

1) It costs 200,000 cbills a match to run
2) It's a massive boost for the skill points put in, basically making it mandatory for comp

As it is, I'm assuming I'll have a comp spec ACH that I never take to PUGs.

[Ultimax]

TercieI, on 26 April 2017 - 12:40 PM, said:

As it is, I'm assuming I'll have a comp spec ACH that I never take to PUGs.

Yeah I'm debating on loading up on some particular variants to get their free unlocks and just have multiple versions ready to go.


If I don't just lose all interest in the game (or comp) that is.

[TercieI]

Ultimax, on 26 April 2017 - 12:45 PM, said:

Yeah I'm debating on loading up on some particular variants to get their free unlocks and just have multiple versions ready to go.


If I don't just lose all interest in the game (or comp) that is.

I'm with you on just about every part of of that.

Good news: I'm not going to have to level any of the next 300 mechs I buy.

Bad news: Uh, that was a big reason to keep logging on...

Because I'm replying to you: Buddy got into Necromancer Beta. I'm dying of jealousy.

Edited by TercieI, 26 April 2017 - 12:54 PM.

[Exilyth]

I would prefer http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Coolant_Pod and similar equipment for UAV/Arty/etc instead of consumables. That would be much more balanced, as long as Arty/Airstrike is limited to 1 per mech.

[Dimento Graven]

Mister Blastman, on 25 April 2017 - 07:22 PM, said:

In the latest PTS, though we can claim up to five module slots via the skill tree, in those slots we can only mount ONE c-bill cool shot. Now, I realize this was mentioned before, I believe, in update notes, but I think it is silly.

I don't like airstrikes.
I don't like arty.
And I don't care to use UAVs.

I think airstrike and arty is lame. I prefer to hold the enemy's beating hard and twitching innards in my own hands as I disembowel and eviscerate them.

So why not allow us to have TWO c-bill cool shots again, like before, or even better... mount up to FIVE.

If I have the c-bills, and I want to spend them, why not? I'm the only one who has to care if I make money in a drop or not. And if people can pound me relentlessly with silly crap like airstrikes, I should be able to suck on helium while whispering like a munckin into their ear as I get real close and... personal... with them.

So, why not? What say you, PGI and fellow forumites?


Edit: Requiring MC to have two cool shots in the new system is ridiculous. It should be two cool shots for c-bills, as before. Some of us don't care for the arty crap.

Intense disagreement with furthering a broken mechanic to be even more broken by orders of magnitude.

[Coolant]

im all for more cool shots...in fact, MW4:Mercs there was unlimited coolant that recharged over time. I used it often and would in MWO.

[Mister Blastman]

Karl Marlow, on 25 April 2017 - 10:28 PM, said:

Judging from the screenshot McGral provided it looks like 2 cbill coolshots are equipped. If I'm reading the skill tree correctly 2 uavs and 2 strikes are also possible.

Well then I stand corrected. I missed the bottom widget buried in the hive. Frankly after being immersed in writing prose like I am for hours every night, I don't have time to read complicated spiderwebs that PGI have concocted. Still, it costs more... 30k more, for the same thing we had before.

That's 60% inflation, which is a lot when you use them every drop.

And it costs 5 nodes. 5... nodes. For something we automatically had before.

Why?

Appogee, on 25 April 2017 - 11:07 PM, said:

But you rely on Cool Shots...? Now we know why "the Underhive is watching"

I wish PGI would do away with all consumables. Consumables are additional firepower/heat sinks at no tonnage. They have been a distortion to balance ever since they were introduced.

At most, flushing coolant should be a core capabilitity of all Mechs - which you get to use once per match, and after that your heat efficiency becomes much worse.

Make an extra coolant refill reservoir should be a one-ton option for those who can't manage the heat of their builds or engagements.

I don't rely, I like to abuse them. If clowns will abuse arty, then I can abuse my own weapons.

Ultimax, on 26 April 2017 - 09:31 AM, said:

That might work better if instead of beating, it was "throbbing" or "twitching..."



Good catch.

Edited by Mister Blastman, 26 April 2017 - 03:03 PM.

[Khobai]

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Make an extra coolant refill reservoir should be a one-ton option for those who can't manage the heat of their builds or engagements.

that defeats the purpose of having a heat mechanic if people can just ignore it with coolant.

im against even having coolshots personally.

damage is already high enough without being able to squeeze out an extra alpha with coolshots.


id rather see new consumables added that promote more tactical/strategic play anyway

like seismic sensor probe consumables, fake sensor signature consumables, etc...

Edited by Khobai, 26 April 2017 - 03:08 PM.

[JC Daxion]

I keep saying.. We should be able to load up all 4 consumables.. BUT you only get 2 uses per match, +1 with an extra use.


Maybe you should need to spend points to use more than 1? the point things could change a little, 1 point, you get two consumables to load. the next node you get to add one use. the 4th node would let you use one consumable more than once. aka EXTRA cool shot, or EXTRA UAV for example.


Not sure i like the ability to use 5 in one match, to me that is just to much.

[Xiphias]

Mister Blastman, on 26 April 2017 - 03:02 PM, said:

Still, it costs more... 30k more, for the same thing we had before.

That's 60% inflation, which is a lot when you use them every drop.

No, it's better than before because both coolshots have the same effectiveness and that is greater than a coolshot 6. So either use both and eat the cost or don't. Overall, it's a net buff to coolshot effectiveness. Please stop making misinformed statements.

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And it costs 5 nodes. 5... nodes. For something we automatically had before.

Why?

Because getting "free" (tonnage and crit space) upgrades without trade-offs is a bad thing.

Coolshots offer a significant advantage to players willing to spend the cbills. The 5 node cost is minimal and a far better investment than anything else in the tree for heat. Personally, I liked it better before we had coolshots, but that's neither here nor there.

You're also neglecting the fact that everyone is losing a module slot (UAV, strike, coolshot). They will also have to spend skill points to unlock more slots. Consumables are 0 tonnage, 0 crit slot free upgrades for anyone willing to spend a few cbills. Why should they be completely free. At least having to unlock them makes there some type of trade-off (even if it's stacked in favor of the consumables).