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[B0oN]

Karl Streiger, on 09 May 2017 - 05:05 AM, said:

???
The Nerf Bat doesn't know friend or foe. It will hit everything

Still shows a bias .
History confirms that .

[caseysrevenge]

This topic is not new and goes on and on and on over the years.
In the past we as unit did a experiment running IS mechs for a long time and behold the cry out in this forum IS is OP.
Then we changed over to CLAN again and guess what happens OP OP OP for the clan.

The thing is, learn to run youre mechs,learn the quirks,and pls pls learn to torso twitch,i see a whole lot of IS pilot who stand before you rock steady.

As with all things change is bad very bad its human in game and in reallife i have the same feelings as you guys,but the thing i learned in live is to addapt to the new situation and learn the new advantages you will get on different mechs.

I play this game for years now and my damage output while not the highest is the same on IS or CLAN mechs.
And yes i still love the IS mechs before a CLAN mech.
This being said HF GL to you all see you in game against me or with me

[Mcgral18]

ceesje, on 14 May 2017 - 05:25 AM, said:

This topic is not new and goes on and on and on over the years.
In the past we as unit did a experiment running IS mechs for a long time and behold the cry out in this forum IS is OP.
Then we changed over to CLAN again and guess what happens OP OP OP for the clan.

The thing is, learn to run youre mechs,learn the quirks,and pls pls learn to torso twitch,i see a whole lot of IS pilot who stand before you rock steady.

As with all things change is bad very bad its human in game and in reallife i have the same feelings as you guys,but the thing i learned in live is to addapt to the new situation and learn the new advantages you will get on different mechs.

I play this game for years now and my damage output while not the highest is the same on IS or CLAN mechs.
And yes i still love the IS mechs before a CLAN mech.
This being said HF GL to you all see you in game against me or with me

Sounds almost like a Clam Apologist...

You see, I can admit most Clam mechs are superior, and without quirks, the Sphere is considerable worse
Even with quirks, very few compete at a high level. That indicates a large level of imbalance, where completely unquirked, and NERFED top tier Clam mechs stand atop a hill, with the unwashed quirked Inner Sphere peasants sitting below.

[Y E O N N E]

Gyrok, on 13 May 2017 - 11:32 PM, said:

There really is just not an effective clan counter to the BLR wall. At least when it was stalkers you could out position them and work your way into a favorable engagement. With BLRs, you really have no recourse.

That is patently false. Battlemasters are still not that fast and their twist is awful; pop-tarting with more agile 'Mechs is both the theoretical and practical combat solution to a Battlemaster wall for the same reasons it is against a Kodiak or Mauler wall. A horde of HBK-IIC or Loyalty Summoners makes mockery of a Battlemaster line, and you don't even need everybody firing on a target to be precise thanks to the splash. It specifically has to be those; the Night Gyr won't work because of the Gauss charge and the Nova has lower mounts which cause it to lose more armor.

If the IS are taking their best 'Mechs to win, the Clans naturally have to do the same and, I can tell you, they aren't. They are just as LRM-heavy, with a healthy dose of bads trying to trade against ERLL with cUAC/10. Even the active, organized units like CWM are bringing mediocre decks.

[Gyrok]

Yeonne Greene, on 14 May 2017 - 09:09 AM, said:

That is patently false. Battlemasters are still not that fast and their twist is awful; pop-tarting with more agile 'Mechs is both the theoretical and practical combat solution to a Battlemaster wall for the same reasons it is against a Kodiak or Mauler wall. A horde of HBK-IIC or Loyalty Summoners makes mockery of a Battlemaster line, and you don't even need everybody firing on a target to be precise thanks to the splash. It specifically has to be those; the Night Gyr won't work because of the Gauss charge and the Nova has lower mounts which cause it to lose more armor.

If the IS are taking their best 'Mechs to win, the Clans naturally have to do the same and, I can tell you, they aren't. They are just as LRM-heavy, with a healthy dose of bads trying to trade against ERLL with cUAC/10. Even the active, organized units like CWM are bringing mediocre decks.

ERLLs are far more effective for most PUGs than PPCs. Even if I brought 4 PPC poptarts in a 4 man, I could not convince the other 8 players to bring PPCs, and most of them likely do not even have them on a mech. Much less would they be on something like a Summoner or energy hunchie. I have a 3 PPC huntsman I run in FP, and I often use it early because of BLRs. However, 2-3 guys doing that against 6-8 BLRs are not going to be enough.

I mean, FFS, my unit has about 8-10 guys playing different times coordinated, and we made the top 5 for our faction.

I think it is safe to say that everyone's PUGs are terribad at this point.

[Kubernetes]

Gyrok, on 14 May 2017 - 10:25 AM, said:

ERLLs are far more effective for most PUGs than PPCs. Even if I brought 4 PPC poptarts in a 4 man, I could not convince the other 8 players to bring PPCs, and most of them likely do not even have them on a mech. Much less would they be on something like a Summoner or energy hunchie. I have a 3 PPC huntsman I run in FP, and I often use it early because of BLRs. However, 2-3 guys doing that against 6-8 BLRs are not going to be enough.

This. In a 1v1 mech to comparison, a Night Gyr should beat a Battlemaster. But we're talking about a team game. How many teams can field a large number of proficient ERPPC shooters? Remember that the skill floor for ERLL is way lower than for peeps and gauss. Far more teams can field proficient ERLL snipers than ERPPC snipers, and if you do meet a team that is that stacked you'd probably lose no matter what they bring. So yeah, cERPPC > IS ERLL, but I'd venture that maybe 10% of the MWO player base is competent enough to use it to full effect.

Edited by Kubernetes, 14 May 2017 - 09:10 PM.

[Dogstar]

Vonbach, on 14 May 2017 - 03:04 AM, said:

Thats not surprising. Clans really don't need to organize or plan on VOIP. Just stand back form a loose firing line and snipe.

and of course that's because everyone who plays clan has superior skill and it has nothing to do with clan tech being better...

or, it could just mean that clan mechs are so OP that even potatoes can use them without thought!

no need to work out a build because they're great from stock
no need to skill them up because they're fast and agile already
and no need to buy them because you can get trial versions and win every day at Tukkayid with minimal effort

Edited by Dogstar, 15 May 2017 - 12:32 AM.

[B0oN]

Mcgral18, on 14 May 2017 - 06:38 AM, said:

Sounds almost like a Clam Apologist...

You see, I can admit most Clam mechs are superior, and without quirks, the Sphere is considerable worse
Even with quirks, very few compete at a high level. That indicates a large level of imbalance, where completely unquirked, and NERFED top tier Clam mechs stand atop a hill, with the unwashed quirked Inner Sphere peasants sitting below.

LöL
You play IS mechs I guess (after looking at your "impressive" stats in QP a few more things occured to me, but CoC) .
Interesting, please keep whiteknighting and calling for further unneeded nerfs .

p.s.: for your info, Ceesje plays mostly CW with the 77BW .

Yo Dogstar ?
Whats in your stash man, I need the name of those genetics !
Must be awesome stuff .
Clan mechs awesome because god-like out of the box (Was that the reason for you doing ~700 dmg across 4 mechs in that one FW game I saw you?) ?
Dream on, babuschka .

Too many spheroids seem to be specialised in forum warfare and spreading that saltiness of theirs .
Highly entertaining, I gotta admit .
Must feel good to run around victimizing yourself all day ...

Edited by The Shortbus, 15 May 2017 - 12:47 AM.

[Dogstar]

The Shortbus, on 15 May 2017 - 12:45 AM, said:

Clan mechs awesome because god-like out of the box (Was that the reason for you doing ~700 dmg across 4 mechs in that one FW game I saw you?) ?

I have never claimed to be any good at this game, in fact I've often stated the opposite. Frankly I'm a solid Tier 4 but I keep getting nudged into Tier 3 due to the inevitable progress of the tier system.

That doesn't invalidate my critical thinking or sarcasm abilities though.

Edited by Dogstar, 15 May 2017 - 12:58 AM.

[Zergling]

The Shortbus, on 15 May 2017 - 12:45 AM, said:

after looking at your "impressive" stats in QP a few more things occured to me, but CoC

If you're implying Mcgral18 violates the CoC to achieve those stats, then prepare to be laughed at.

The Shortbus, on 15 May 2017 - 12:45 AM, said:

p.s.: for your info, Ceesje plays mostly CW with the 77BW .

His QP stats indicate a below average player that has been carried to above average W/L by grouping with more skilled players.
Can see the carrying started in Season 7, when his W/L jumped but every other stat stayed at a below average level.

Edited by Zergling, 15 May 2017 - 02:42 AM.

[General Solo]

I mostly get killed by pilots

Also just wanna thank all the clan pugs I rolled with during Tuk, Easy to lead.......to VICTORY
Made my life easy as an amateur arm chair General.
Well Played

My win rate was like 1.6 just playing pugs during Tuk, Maybe clan pugs are more willing to listen
I dunno

Edited by OZHomerOZ, 15 May 2017 - 03:01 AM.

[B0oN]

Zergling, on 15 May 2017 - 02:10 AM, said:

If you're implying Mcgral18 violates the CoC to achieve those stats, then prepare to be laughed at.





His QP stats indicate a below average player that has been carried to above average W/L by grouping with more skilled players.
Can see the carrying started in Season 7, when his W/L jumped but every other stat stayed at a below average level.

ad 1 : Wrong direction of thought, but at least thinking started. Just laugh. Laughing is good ^^
ad 2 : Ceesje has massive fluctuations in his playing, true . But that happens to more people that play highly irregular . It still does not invalidate what he says . He´s been aboard that unit long enough to see exactly what he describes in his post .

Carry on ... both sides of the fence
^^

[Mcgral18]

The Shortbus, on 15 May 2017 - 12:45 AM, said:

LöL
You play IS mechs I guess (after looking at your "impressive" stats in QP a few more things occured to me, but CoC) .
Interesting, please keep whiteknighting and calling for further unneeded nerfs .

Buffs*

Sphere needs buffs

Zergling, on 15 May 2017 - 02:10 AM, said:

If you're implying Mcgral18 violates the CoC to achieve those stats, then prepare to be laughed at.

DakkaBear STRONK
https://imgur.com/a/ekmuB
An evening of back to back successes.
And a Potato build

4 cUAC10s just prints damage (M2C LOLpha does as well)

[Pika]

Makes me a teeny bit happy to see even a little pushback against the IS whining at long last.

Took long enough

[johnwolf]

who here pointed out percentages for Tuk 3, some one did that and it's A MAJOR LIE. that is based of match score which is comulitive of wins AND losses. This means.....WE DON'T KNOW **** other then the glaring fact that Clan won a HELL a lot more.

[Y E O N N E]

Pika, on 15 May 2017 - 03:29 AM, said:

Makes me a teeny bit happy to see even a little pushback against the IS whining at long last.

Took long enough

There's been push-back every single time, under which rock have you been living?

[caseysrevenge]

Yeh yeh those figures you have mcgrall18 are worth nothing because i haven't played the game for over a year.
I'm back in to the game a couple of months now and joined my old unit again.
slowly climbing up on the ladder again . 7184 ceesje 27 23 1.17 30 31 0.97 50 227
As you can see not so many QP's.
For youre info my unit does'nt play much QP's to gether so no carrying there i play QP 's mostly solo goes quicker to lvl 3 mechs.
When i came back in game i had to start in T4 now i'm at half T2 going strongly to T1.

So those figures say nothing if you don't know the history,so pls don't use those things against people if you don't know all of it.
It's not nice and works contra productive.
The statement i gave above i stand fully behind it ,it's what i see in this game and in other online games (thats why i was away for almost a year by the way playing another online game ).
People are always complaining about something it seems in this game and in other games and to my sorry i see the ones who cries the hardest will be the ones they hear.
But the bulk of the players you don't hear on this forum they just play the game,thats why i have so little posts i play it enjoy the game win or lose i have fun and that is the important thing about a game the fun factor.
And going on crying here that you have a bigger ............. lets me cold so you have it be happy with it but let us little people just play the game and have fun with it.Next year there will be another change coming and look and behold the whole forum will get wild again and after a month all will be quiet again and people will have adjusted to the new rules.

It will happen in this game and in other online games and nothing you do will change it.
So go out there and play play play and if not and you think you really can't live with it go play another game.

Edited by ceesje, 15 May 2017 - 02:13 PM.

[Athom83]

johnwolf, on 15 May 2017 - 04:33 AM, said:

who here pointed out percentages for Tuk 3, some one did that and it's A MAJOR LIE. that is based of match score which is comulitive of wins AND losses. This means.....WE DON'T KNOW **** other then the glaring fact that Clan won a HELL a lot more.

Um... I did the math in another topic when someone asked what the percentage would be if wins counted beyond the 100% one side. It came out to about 36,000% clan win. And that was just about day 1-2.

[Logan812]

I'd like to see how the gameplay would turn out if PGI removed all the buffs and nerfs between IS and Clan mechs and drop the Clans in Stars (10 mechs) while IS remains in Lances as per the lore. Just for CW of course. Sure, you'd still have players on both sides who ignore their roles and disregard the Clans' fighting styles, but not much can be done about that.

[Mcgral18]

ceesje, on 15 May 2017 - 02:08 PM, said:

Yeh yeh those figures you have mcgrall18 are worth nothing because i haven't played the game for over a year.
I'm back in to the game a couple of months now and joined my old unit again.
slowly climbing up on the ladder again . 7184 ceesje 27 23 1.17 30 31 0.97 50 227
As you can see not so many QP's.
For youre info my unit does'nt play much QP's to gether so no carrying there i play QP 's mostly solo goes quicker to lvl 3 mechs.
When i came back in game i had to start in T4 now i'm at half T2 going strongly to T1.

So those figures say nothing if you don't know the history,so pls don't use those things against people if you don't know all of it.
It's not nice and works contra productive.
The statement i gave above i stand fully behind it ,it's what i see in this game and in other online games (thats why i was away for almost a year by the way playing another online game ).
People are always complaining about something it seems in this game and in other games and to my sorry i see the ones who cries the hardest will be the ones they hear.
But the bulk of the players you don't hear on this forum they just play the game,thats why i have so little posts i play it enjoy the game win or lose i have fun and that is the important thing about a game the fun factor.
And going on crying here that you have a bigger ............. lets me cold so you have it be happy with it but let us little people just play the game and have fun with it.Next year there will be another change coming and look and behold the whole forum will get wild again and after a month all will be quiet again and people will have adjusted to the new rules.

It will happen in this game and in other online games and nothing you do will change it.
So go out there and play play play and if not and you think you really can't live with it go play another game.

Your mediocre performance doesn't affect my numbers, by the way
Good luck trying to reach them (use BIG robots)


Your lies also aren't truth
The only time (non Potato) people called IS OP was with GodQuirks
They were overwhelming...much like Clams at launch.

You playing more of them, or making Potatos call a BattleMaster firing line OP, does not make it the whole truth.


My performance is Clam mechs is notably better than Spheroid robots
KDK3 is a full 200 damage points average ahead of my WubShee
800 VS 600

Nova 550 VS ShaqHawk 450
Of course, I don't play many Spheroid Meds...they're pretty weak or short ranged. Not particularly effective in the PUG LIFE
When you learn to pilot better, maybe you'll learn what makes Clam mechs better.

Or just hope PGI gives your inferior Spheroid mechs enough quirks to compete
Until then, you just have to go to the store, and get some good. Be sure not to let it spoil

Logan812, on 15 May 2017 - 02:19 PM, said:

I'd like to see how the gameplay would turn out if PGI removed all the buffs and nerfs between IS and Clan mechs and drop the Clans in Stars (10 mechs) while IS remains in Lances as per the lore. Just for CW of course. Sure, you'd still have players on both sides who ignore their roles and disregard the Clans' fighting styles, but not much can be done about that.

Yeah...how about no?