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To Survive, Battletech Franchise Should Go Back To It's Roots. Anime-Roots!


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#21 Nesutizale

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Posted 07 May 2017 - 08:08 AM

Anime is just an art style. There is no reason why a seriouse topic can't be shown this way. Like Princess Mononoke, I don't count that as funny, with all the people getting killed, arms torn of...yah its totaly fun. Lots of children cried when it was running in theaters without age restriction over here. It only got it after enough parents complained ^_^

So if someone asked if I would watch an BT Anime that is similar in story to the novels, yes why not?
Would you ask me if I would watch the mentioned "young males hunting skirts in Mechschool" then definitly not.

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Posted 07 May 2017 - 01:10 PM

View PostNesutizale, on 07 May 2017 - 08:08 AM, said:

Anime is just an art style.

So if someone asked if I would watch an BT Anime that is similar in story to the novels, yes why not?
Would you ask me if I would watch the mentioned "young males hunting skirts in Mechschool" then definitly not.


Point in example, the TIE fighter short film on YouTube.

#23 Tordin

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Posted 07 May 2017 - 01:35 PM

NO THANKS!

#24 GrimRiver

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Posted 07 May 2017 - 01:42 PM

I want it in Gundam: Iron Blooded Orphans style.

I wanna see that cotpit view as a cannon shell blasts through the head armor and splats the pilot or like that gruesome scene where that child soldier was crushed to death in his cotpit.

Almost everyone that dies in that show goes out in a messy way

The combat sounds are really meaty in it too.

Edited by GrimRiver, 07 May 2017 - 01:50 PM.


#25 MechaBattler

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Posted 07 May 2017 - 01:52 PM

I would love a show animated with Japanese or Korean animation studio. But with western writing. I am so tired of anime tropes. NO little girls. Absolutely none! YOU HEAR ME!? No harem. There should be an equal amount of men and women. In equally different roles.

Battletech is such a diverse setting that there are a million stories that can be told. They could go Game of Thrones route with deception and political intrigue, mixed with badass battles. Or they could keep it simple. Tell the story of someone growing up in a merc unit and developing into their own. SO many possibilities.

#26 Trev Firestorm

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Posted 07 May 2017 - 01:55 PM

View PostMekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh, on 07 May 2017 - 03:08 AM, said:

And by the way, if moe-girls (be they damned) can't sell something, than this is unsellable.

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Why you gotta force me to go Steiner now?

But seriously, as long as the right studio/writers get brought in I'm perfectly ok with this. A more serious/gritty series could work well, just stay clear of the harem anime and clear of younger audience targeting. There are plenty of shows that do this [genre] well, so I don't see why not battletech.

#27 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 07 May 2017 - 02:03 PM

View PostShiroi Tsuki, on 07 May 2017 - 04:24 AM, said:

Crowd funding is always a thing. Isn't the new BT game coming out mostly crowd funded?



Common misconception about anime (I don't blame you). Anime is just another form of media, kinda like movies and cartoons. You wouldn't necessarily call something like South Park or Happy Tree Friends as something a child should watch, now would you?. Besides, it's the internet;
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In case you didn't know, there already was a BattleTech animated series, I don't see what's wrong of doing another BT series on a different art style

This may be true, but when the versions posted constantly are utter tripe, bottom of the barrel stupid versions of anime.....it's hard to remember.

And even Animes that started GREAT, like the original Macross? Have all devolved into utter stupid crap.

We want to talk about Battletech getting back to it's "roots". Well firstly it's roots, were always westernized, taking the anime robots, and removing the kung fu agility, etc. Any Mecha-Fu in Battletech crept back in during the late 90s in the desperate bid to retain customers.

We want to talk anime? Fine.

Macross. Moespeada. Votoms. Fang of the Sun Dougram. Patlabor. Megazone 23. Dominion Tank Police. Venus Wars. Akira. Ghost in the Shell. Appleseed. Even gundam 08 ms team (as opposed to pretty much every other gundam title)

Let's talk good scifi anime, not this sailor moon meets evangelion meets dragonball crap the modern kiddies seem to think is some great high brow entertainment.

Take that cute mascot, crossdressing, kiddie porn crap people watch today and blow it down the toilet.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 07 May 2017 - 02:06 PM.


#28 Trev Firestorm

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Posted 07 May 2017 - 02:04 PM

View PostExilyth, on 07 May 2017 - 05:12 AM, said:

Why does the opening post of this thread remind me of pokemon evolution stages so much?

Anyway, if a battletech anime series was made, it would have do away with the overabundant "generic moeblobs slice of life" style and go for a more realistic style, like Jin-Roh, Patlabor or GiTS.

Well, yes, of course there should be a beach episode, but only as a backdrop/excuse for an attack by frogmen and battle armor, coming out of the waves and opening fire.

Then again, a "game of thrones in space" style series with real actors might work better.

The problem with this (last point) is if it gets a low budget (which it probably would) it will turn out horribly, [garbage cgi blending] anime can generally pull through even with a lower budget... at least that would be my fear.

#29 Mekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh

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Posted 07 May 2017 - 02:13 PM

So many got me wrong...

What I meant, was creating animated series using actual BT-lore.
Not yet another comedy-harem MYPANTIESGETWETSIRROSHAK.

We had BT-series in 90th, but they flopped due bad audience targeting.
Too complex for kids, too childish for BT-fans.
Anime instead could be any way you want.

You just just translating your silly stereotypes, but no, there are no age restrictions in animation and anime is not only CGDCT.







and so on...

btw, last decade, western franchises tried to have an anime-adaptations: Mass Effect, Dragon Age and others.

Why not to haw our own Battletech series?!

Edited by Mekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh, 07 May 2017 - 02:14 PM.


#30 Mekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh

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Posted 07 May 2017 - 02:26 PM

View PostPromessa, on 07 May 2017 - 02:10 PM, said:


Best things to happen to macross. lol
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Errr...
Really?!

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View PostPromessa, on 07 May 2017 - 02:04 PM, said:

Commando-Chan is best waifu


Undertonned mechs lover, ahem...
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#31 Shadowomega1

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Posted 07 May 2017 - 02:29 PM

Well if they used an anime style Gundam: Iron Blooded Orphans animation and story style would be dang close to perfect for a battletech tv series; however art style the better option would be Gundam: Thunderbolt.

Though the best Option would be western CGI style, as battletech has definitely become more western and even more realistic over the years, then over the top movements in eastern animation styles. Couple of the best shows to pull from for reference would be Transformers Prime, Star Wars: Clone Wars/ Rebels.

TF:P
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SWCW
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Gundam Iron blooded Orphans (Spoiler if you haven't touched season 2)


Gundam Thunderbolt
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Edited by Shadowomega1, 07 May 2017 - 02:51 PM.


#32 HGAK47

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Posted 07 May 2017 - 02:30 PM

Interesting idea for sure. I for one am not huge on anime but if it takes more after the really well done, great story telling less "kiddie friendly" style of anime yea I would watch that perhaps. I like mechs and would love to see the creativity and artwork in action.

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Posted 07 May 2017 - 02:36 PM

View PostShiroi Tsuki, on 07 May 2017 - 03:04 AM, said:

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This picture gets me thinking... are there any mods that replace angry clan man with a vocaloid announcer?

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Posted 07 May 2017 - 02:41 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 07 May 2017 - 02:03 PM, said:

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We want to talk anime? Fine.

Macross. Moespeada. Votoms. Fang of the Sun Dougram. Patlabor. Megazone 23. Dominion Tank Police. Venus Wars. Akira. Ghost in the Shell. Appleseed. Even gundam 08 ms team (as opposed to pretty much every other gundam title).


You had me at Shirow (Masamune).

View PostBishop Steiner, on 07 May 2017 - 02:03 PM, said:

Take that cute mascot, crossdressing, kiddie porn crap people watch today and blow it down the toilet.


Well, we don't really have to get rid of ALL of that stuff, do we?

Edited by stealthraccoon, 07 May 2017 - 02:44 PM.


#35 The Lighthouse

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Posted 07 May 2017 - 02:45 PM

View PostAntares102, on 07 May 2017 - 04:16 AM, said:

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Wait what? Seriously?
GTF out of here! I am no lore nerd but mixing this childish anime sh*t with this game would be atrocious.
This game at least has a tiny bit of seriousness left to apeal to it's ancient (whale) customers.

Next thing you want is BTech Hentai version aren't you? Be honest !



This post really reminds me of one thread when PGI decides to add a new background music to MWO one day.

"This heavy metal music does not fit nor serious enough for this game!"

It doesn't take that long for someone to spam the youtube links of Mech Warrior 2 OST.



This..... "childish anime sh*t" you hate has extremely strong influence on quite a lot of designs of the mechs we have today, to the point there were several copyright disputes in the past.

Read this Sarna article : http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Unseen


I mean..... just look at the Phoenix Hawk. It's literally anime mecha to the root. There are a lot of anime mechs than you'd like to think.

Edited by The Lighthouse, 07 May 2017 - 02:46 PM.


#36 The Lighthouse

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Posted 07 May 2017 - 02:50 PM

God, I mean...... I wonder if people's perspective would had been different if melee system was properly implemented in battletech video games. People would be used to see mechs.... with Japanese Katana. and about Kurita.....

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Posted 07 May 2017 - 02:50 PM

View Poststealthraccoon, on 07 May 2017 - 02:41 PM, said:

You had me at Shirow (Masamune).



Well, we don't really have to get rid of ALL of that stuff, do we?

the kiddie porn and space teddy bear crap? Please. Burn it with fire.

#38 Nesutizale

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Posted 07 May 2017 - 02:53 PM

View PostMetus regem, on 07 May 2017 - 01:10 PM, said:

Point in example, the TIE fighter short film on YouTube.


That one is very well done. Drawn and animated over 4 years' worth of weekends !
For those who haven't seen it

Beside that, anyone rembering "Grave of the fireflys"? Also a greate anime thats very seriouse.

Lets say someone would say he is doing a BT-Series, animated, real, CGI, whatever, what timeline would you prefer?

I would like to see the beginnings again, the inner fighting of the greate houses and against each other.
Or go the other extrem and go to the Dark Age and the start of the conflicts there.

Beside that a mini series about the different units would be nice. Espacialy the Grey Death Legion and Wolfs Dragoons.
I wouldn't even mind if they do just a 1:1 retelling of the novels.

Edited by Nesutizale, 07 May 2017 - 03:01 PM.


#39 Mister Blastman

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Posted 07 May 2017 - 02:54 PM

I'm sure many of us would love anime inspired robits.

Harmony Gold, unfortunately, does not. :(

But they can't take all the blame, Jordan Weisman kinda stole the designs without asking.

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Posted 07 May 2017 - 02:58 PM

Battletech does not have animae roots. It was a war game that simply took artwork from an animae series. The mechs have zero relation except for appearance. Robotech crap flies at ridiculous speed and shape shifts. Transformers is based on Animae.





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