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[Tarogato]

Oh, it's Gyrok.

*hurriedly flips all the banners and flyers back to [IS OP]*

*whistles innocently*

[G4LV4TR0N]

I launched my first QP after patch with unskilled TBR and did 4 kills, 4 solo kills, 5 kmdd's and nearly 800dmg. Piloted like a drifting ship. After spending 31-36 Skill Points in mobility tree I uphold my position that TBR mobility has been reduced.

As for Night Gyr, I find that it pilots quite similar even with low amount of Skill Points in mobility. But maxing it and getting JJ tree makes it feel better than before. This ain't some massive change but it's noticeable. And if we're not into maxing those trees? Then we get extra Skill Points for weapons, so it's like getting free quirks.

Edited by G4LV4TR0N, 19 May 2017 - 07:41 AM.

[Mystere]

Tarogato, on 18 May 2017 - 10:54 PM, said:

Timber is dead, Timber is dead...

Long live the Timber!





Seems fine to me.

Meh! I used to be able to do that in a Pretty Baby. But no one ever said it was a great Mech.

[- World Eater -]

The Timber Wolf will never be obsolete.

[Y E O N N E]

Gyrok, on 19 May 2017 - 07:07 AM, said:

EDIT: Just FYI, I did 1087 in a TDK last night, someone want to tell me that mech is good?

It's not bad. It has never been bad, just not quite as good as the alternatives.

[Dungeon 206]

Battlemaster56, on 19 May 2017 - 06:34 AM, said:

Yes I took bits and pieces and used it with others to perfect what my laser vomit needs and other builds for every Timber variant out their.

cazidin, on 19 May 2017 - 06:36 AM, said:

I'm glad! I'll be working on a MUCH larger guide for New Players (and as part of Bud's contest, but eh, I like helping people.)

hey guys would appreciate some help with the Skill Tree on the TBR...
i know it will never be the same... but would like to get as close as i can to pre-patch mobility...

[Mcgral18]

Vellron2005, on 18 May 2017 - 11:53 PM, said:

Am I missing something?

Sure, the base un-mastered variant is sluggish, but skill it up and it's tough as nails..

I invested in mobility and survivability, plus zoom and some weapon and heat skills.. and it's still amazing.. Still my go-to LRM boat..

The Night Gyr however is slow, sluggish and hot even after mastered.. I have one collecting dust in it's mech bay..

Hot?
I didn't even crest 60% heat in this match


That's without Strikes or Coolant (oops)
Though, it would never need coolant. A mech firing that much (weapon damage alone)



HoverJets™ are actually pretty fine with the skills in it...guess I should test without to compare. He doesn't need Operations, that's all I know.

Lots of Agility, Weapons, and MAH SEISMIC SENSOR!
A ROBOT WHO CAN TAKE IT WITHOUT SACRIFICE
I missed that Seismic Wallhack...

[Nymh]

They overdid the nerfs a tad. Dumping the TBR in the same mobility bracket as most assaults put a huge dent in its peaking and brawling potential. It still isn't completely terrible, but I do think these changes put it well behind other Clan heavies in terms of usability. The NTG is a better pop tart, the EBJ a better laser boat, Linebacker a better brawler, and HRB a better ERLL sniper. Even the Mad Dog is probably a better SRM brawler now that the TBR turns like a cruise ship.

Edited by Nymh, 20 May 2017 - 08:47 AM.

[KingCobra]

Im glad they hot fixed my TBR-C-S its a fun mech overall even if it has been nerfed to helllllll.One of the secret nerfs they put into a patch 6 months after it came out was a reduction of CT protection the TBS could take 4-6 good Alpha CT hits before it was dead now it down to 2-3 Alpha hits and your done even with torso twisting like heck.

Ieven tried filling up the survival 100% and it still dies just as quick which meant basically I wasted all those SP points on survival it don't do shitttttt. But I can still get a few lucky kills iin it because of its firepower it is more sluggish now so it is more vulnerable to flanking damage.

[Luminis]

Dunno if I'd call the Timby outright bad or anything... What I do know, though, is that I feel more comfortable using a different chassis than the TBR for whatever I wanna do. Doesn't mean it can't be made to perform well in a given match - hell, there are far worse 'Mechs and a good player can still do well in them.

And there are' Mechs out there I'm far more scared of engaging in direct combat at present...

[Gyrok]

Yeonne Greene, on 19 May 2017 - 07:42 AM, said:

It's not bad. It has never been bad, just not quite as good as the alternatives.

I would say it is definitely a tier below the best in class options, at best. I used to love the commando, and ever so often I pull the TDK out of the stable. I still have the 2D, I just cannot stomach running that mech anymore. To get enough speed you sacrifice too much firepower...oxide is outright better in every aspect except ECM.

Though, my point is that anecdotal match score evidence is not proof that a mech is good or bad. Had I been in a cheetah, it might have been worse, it might have been much, much better. Hard to say, because I was not in a cheetah.

I think sometimes people ignore bad mechs because they are bad, and that perhaps allows them to get away with more than something like a cheetah, oxide, or J2C could get away with.

Dungeon 206, on 19 May 2017 - 11:20 PM, said:

hey guys would appreciate some help with the Skill Tree on the TBR...
i know it will never be the same... but would like to get as close as i can to pre-patch mobility...

Take the full mobility tree then...literally do not miss a mobility node.

[QuantumButler]

Friendship ended with Mad Cat, now Dragon is my best friend.

[Gyrok]

Tarogato, on 19 May 2017 - 07:20 AM, said:

Oh, it's Gyrok.

*hurriedly flips all the banners and flyers back to [IS OP]*

*whistles innocently*

This is completely off topic...

I never noticed you were a classical musician. What instrument do you play?

[Tarogato]

Gyrok, on 20 May 2017 - 06:16 PM, said:

What instrument do you play?

Yes, lol.

I don't play sax, organ, oboe, harps, trombone, 'cello, bass, dulcimer, guitar and guitar-like instruments, or drum kit. But pretty much everything else, you name it and I can probably play to about a college level. Main instrument is piano, but it's also the one I find the least interesting, and I've spent an ungodly amount of hours as an accompanist. A favourite of mine is contrabass clarinet, and the recorder family (proper baroque lit, none of the piddly kiddy squeaky stuff, lol)

[Trenchbird]

Khobai, on 18 May 2017 - 07:16 AM, said:

agile? it turns worse than a lot of IS 90-95 tonners now. theres highlanders and banshees with better agility.

Actually, the TBR and BNC have the same agility.

[Khobai]

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Actually, the TBR and BNC have the same agility.

theres specific variants of the BNC that are more agile though

but a 75 tonner should not have the same agility as a 95 tonner anyway

[Snowbluff]

ThoseWhoFearTomorrow, on 19 May 2017 - 07:39 AM, said:

The Timber Wolf will never be obsolete.

I mean, similiar speed, similiar load out. Hardpoints are a little worse, but the armor is way better.
ON1-IIC

[G4LV4TR0N]

Khobai, on 20 May 2017 - 06:59 PM, said:

theres specific variants of the BNC that are more agile though

but a 75 tonner should not have the same agility as a 95 tonner anyway

Then check Executioner, without MASC and with MASC.

[Khobai]

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Then check Executioner, without MASC and with MASC.

The Executioner is too agile as well. Not sure what your point is.

[Y E O N N E]

Gyrok, on 20 May 2017 - 02:43 PM, said:

I think sometimes people ignore bad mechs because they are bad, and that perhaps allows them to get away with more than something like a cheetah, oxide, or J2C could get away with.

There is some of that, but it even happens in high-level play. When you have a Drop 1 brawl happening, the lights very often take no significant damage until the end because getting those Mediums down is even more important. When it comes to being the lightest 'Mech in a match, you have nearly free reign to play whatever you want so long as it isn't built stupidly.