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[Scout Derek]

Khobai, on 18 May 2017 - 03:49 AM, said:

pretty much all clan mechs pilot like garbage trucks now though

The only one that doesn't IMO is the huntsman. It's one of the least nerfed since it didn't have much in the beginning anyways.

[LORD ORION]

ingramli, on 18 May 2017 - 03:44 AM, said:

With the desync of engine, it now twist its torso like an 75` old man, and left with a oversize engine which take away the available tonnage, i guess it is time to switch to something else, perhaps a night gyr?

TBR will NEVER be less than a T1 mech. Weight/Space/Mounts are all good.
https://tarogato-mwo...4c-01aeeeb5f627

[The6thMessenger]

Would TBR get torso turn rate quirks?

[MischiefSC]

Vxheous Kerensky, on 18 May 2017 - 09:33 AM, said:

I didn't have any issues playing my Timberwolf, even on Caustic valley, 3 of us all dropped 2LPL/4ERML Timbers in group queue, and all three of us hit 850 damage+.

SplatTBR is still beastly. Better heat management.

Laservomit TBR still shines vs EBJ Laservomit based on maneuverability the JJs provide and better hitboxes. The value of that will depend on the map. Defending Grim Portico I'd rather have an EBJ. Attacking Emerald Taiga or anything on River City I'd rather have the TBR.

The Gyr is great at a lot of things but it's slow. Complain about how the TBR 'handles like a dump truck' then try to brawl in a Night Gyr.

I have 3 TBRs ready to play in my deck and bring them as often as I do Night Gyrs. Gyrs have better low-heat builds and better poptarts and camping builds, TBR is better at aggressive stuff. Somewhere like Alpine I'll run a TBR over a Gyr all day - even for long range, because I'll out-maneuver the Gyr in the TBR and use elevation (up or down) to negate the torso mounts on the Gyr.

On Polar or Boreal? Not so much.

The TBR is now pretty comparable to a lot of heavy mechs. To me that's a good thing, not a bad thing.

[Deathlike]

Wingbreaker, on 18 May 2017 - 12:14 PM, said:

u w0t m8?

"I didn't spend an appreciable amount of time in the mech but want to shitpost while people point out actual flaws in current numbers" is pretty much half the thread.

I'm just gonna guess that PGI's copypasta ability is not very good.

[Wingbreaker]

MischiefSC, on 18 May 2017 - 04:50 PM, said:

Complain about how the TBR 'handles like a dump truck' then try to brawl in a Night Gyr.

SIGH.

[Belkor]

Speaking of Night Gyrs, how many points are you guys putting towards the survival tree for it? It feels like the ability to quickly move in and out of cover would be better for a poker like Night Gyr. Not 100% certain.

[Gyrok]

LORD ORION, on 18 May 2017 - 04:34 PM, said:

TBR will NEVER be less than a T1 mech. Weight/Space/Mounts are all good.
https://tarogato-mwo...4c-01aeeeb5f627

Space is same/same as Night Gyr, so is weight. The mounts on the TW are worse than the mounts on the Night Gyr, and it carries far less tonnage for weapons, and has worse hit boxes.

I mean, mobility was the only thing going for the TW, and now it simply does not have that edge anymore.

TW was dying for a long time, only relegated to brawl decks for a speedy/nimble heavy with SRMs. Nobody actually brought that mech for anything else anymore. Now, it will not even see brawl decks.

[Gyrok]

MischiefSC, on 18 May 2017 - 04:50 PM, said:

The TBR is now pretty comparable to a lot of heavy mechs. To me that's a good thing, not a bad thing.

Jump in a Whammy or MAD, or hell, just about any meta IS heavy/assault mech like the BLR that have better mobility, and tell me the TW is not outright inferior to the mobility of any of those.

The idiocy is that an 85 ton super powered assault for the IS has BETTER mobility than a 75 ton clan heavy mech that was renowned for agility.

[FireStoat]

I take back some of what I said previously. Yes, I will still play my TBRs and I will like them. But honestly, log into the game and go through the motions of doing a rolling start forward, stop, and reverse action like you would with a peek / poke maneuver.

The TBR got kneecapped for peek-trades and there's no sugarcoating it. And unless you have the Warrant 8/8 bonus, it turns like a tuna boat now in comparison to other heavy mechs. That last statement is key - at this stage, the NIght Gyr just became king and the peer pressure the TBR applied as an option is gone. On the battlefield, you WILL see Night Gyr numbers swell as players quietly swap them in.

[Deathlike]

Timberwolf era was never over. Other things simply became more popular.

[The6thMessenger]

FireStoat, on 18 May 2017 - 05:23 PM, said:

And unless you have the Warrant 8/8 bonus

Kinda sad, considering that the highpoint of an omnimech is being able to swap omnipods, but getting stuck to a specific set just kills it. That TBR-S side torso is just to valuable, and forgoing it just gimps the mech heavily.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 18 May 2017 - 06:09 PM.

[G4LV4TR0N]

What mech would be good replacement if I'm opting for mobility? 60-75t range. Normally in that tonnage range those were Summoners but they also got nerfed. Do Linebackers or Hellbringers got their mobility reduced too? For me worst part about Timber Wolf now is that with full mobility tree it turns worse than when it had no basic skills.

Edited by G4LV4TR0N, 18 May 2017 - 06:17 PM.

[MischiefSC]

Gyrok, on 18 May 2017 - 05:22 PM, said:

Jump in a Whammy or MAD, or hell, just about any meta IS heavy/assault mech like the BLR that have better mobility, and tell me the TW is not outright inferior to the mobility of any of those.

The idiocy is that an 85 ton super powered assault for the IS has BETTER mobility than a 75 ton clan heavy mech that was renowned for agility.

Funny because we just dropped against a great team currently in the IS who brought BLRs and WHRs and we demolished them and I put up almost 800 damage in my TBR. On River City, which involved plenty of brawling. WHR is like 5% better than TBR. About what you'd expect for 70 ton vs 75 ton. However 81 vs 69 KPH? That's significant. It means you're getting around cover first. The difference between 17.72 accel and 20.02 accel? Far, far less so.

[Gyrok]

MischiefSC, on 18 May 2017 - 06:42 PM, said:

Funny because we just dropped against a great team currently in the IS who brought BLRs and WHRs and we demolished them and I put up almost 800 damage in my TBR. On River City, which involved plenty of brawling. WHR is like 5% better than TBR. About what you'd expect for 70 ton vs 75 ton. However 81 vs 69 KPH? That's significant. It means you're getting around cover first. The difference between 17.72 accel and 20.02 accel? Far, far less so.

WHM is better than TW, and weighs less tonnage...but IS has more tonnage in FP.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Prosperity Park, on 18 May 2017 - 09:32 AM, said:

Okay. OKAY.

All you guys who say the Timberwolf is crap and useless, please go onto to Smurphy and show us your anti-Timberwolf Orion loadouts that simply smoke the pants off the useless Timberwolf. The Orion is 75 tons, and if the Timberwolf is crap and useless then the Orion should be a perfectly good match for it.

3 pages later and still waiting here, guys... come on. Post your "Timberwolf sucks so bad my Orion can murder it" Orion builds.

[Gyrok]

Prosperity Park, on 18 May 2017 - 06:45 PM, said:

3 pages later and still waiting here, guys... come on. Post your "Timberwolf sucks so bad my Orion can murder it" Orion builds.

http://www.metamechs.com

Edited by Gyrok, 18 May 2017 - 06:47 PM.

[MischiefSC]

Gyrok, on 18 May 2017 - 06:44 PM, said:

WHM is better than TW, and weighs less tonnage...but IS has more tonnage in FP.

WHR is slightly faster because.... it's smaller. 5 tons smaller. As it should be in the new system. The TBR is 12 KPH faster and carries an equal (or bigger) loadout, plus JJs.

The WHR has some tiny structure (not armor) buffs. The longer burn times and higher heat of the Clan lasers are offset directly by the burn time reduction and heat gen reduction of the Firepower tree. The Timber Wolf is a great example of a mech where you don't want/need to spend points in Ops; you take Heat Gen reduction in Firepower tree (along with the other goodies) and then Aux tree and some mobility. If you go with a big energy build then go with Ops heat reduction as well but it depends where you like your points; structure or mobility.

The WHR, conversely, ir probably going to want Ops and Firepower and some survival with no real points in mobility - Hill Climb helps plenty (especially on maps like Boreal, Polar, Frozen, Alpine, all the bumpy ones) and it needs the doubled up heat reduction unless it's running just ballistics, in which case it lacks the same level of firepower.

Easy to out-range in a TBR vs WHR now too, or if not out-range then out-alpha or out DPS, depending on what you built to. SplatTBR brawler with velocity and heat management quirks is better than it ever was. TBR laser vomit is excellent. 3xERLL, 4xCERML poke TBR is totally viable now with beam duration reduction and range quirks for all of it plus heat gen.

The skill tree hurt the WHR way, way more than the TBR.

Prosperity Park, on 18 May 2017 - 06:45 PM, said:

3 pages later and still waiting here, guys... come on. Post your "Timberwolf sucks so bad my Orion can murder it" Orion builds.

Orion VA, std 325, 4xSRM6A, 2xMPL. All the survival quirks, some firepower and ops.

Do it, look at the armor value. That I'd take vs a SplatTBR. TBRs better speed and mobility vs its insane armor/structure? Would be close. Likely come down to a well timed coolshot.

[Dungeon 206]

sigh PGI what have you done....
please listen to what the guys here are saying about agility...
and look at your own webpage please....

Edited by Dungeon 206, 18 May 2017 - 07:27 PM.

[Mystere]

MechaBattler, on 18 May 2017 - 04:02 PM, said:

Wait, wouldn't slowing the mechs down be more in keeping with battletech? Aren't most E-sports also more focused on fast paced combat? So wouldn't this run counter to that? Are we just using the forum hate for E-sports?

Fast Paced Game <> eSports
Generic Robot Game --> eSports

And, oh, yes:

**** eSports!