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[Cy Mitchell]

Steve Pryde, on 18 May 2017 - 09:29 AM, said:

With agility skills it's still decent but the engine is oversized now, yes. If I could I would swap it for a 325 or 350 xl engine.

You still get benefits from the larger engine including speed and two additional engine heatsinks over the 325. Omni Mechs are affected by this change more than Battlemechs because they do not have the option to change engines. This is especially the case with large engined Omnis. But they were also among the top Mechs in the game due to ability to maximize hardpoints of a given type. It would seem to be a fair trade-off to bring them in line.

I have much the same issue with my Stormcrow. It is noticeably less agile now but it will still be a solid Mech. So will the TimberWolf.

Edited by Rampage, 18 May 2017 - 09:47 AM.

[Vxheous]

Gas Guzzler, on 18 May 2017 - 09:37 AM, said:

I mean I did 850 damage in 3 PPC Gauss Highlander last night that doesn't mean its great.

I noticed a huge change in feel for the ER PPC Gauss version. I still did fine, but I can't help but wonder if it should be more agile, compared to the NIght Gyr which is only a couple steps behind on agility now.

Yeah, I agree with you that the Timber "should" feel more agile than it does, but it's by no means a dead mech.

[MechaBattler]

Khobai, on 18 May 2017 - 07:16 AM, said:

agile? it turns worse than a lot of IS 90-95 tonners now. theres highlanders and banshees with better agility.

PGI has engine decoupling so damn screwed up. What theyve done is a complete mess.

engine decoupling was supposed to be for weight class balance to help lights and especially mediums so heavies with big engines werent plain better. thats all it was meant to do.

but they made the same mistake with engine decoupling that they did with quirks.... they tried to use them for IS vs Clan balance and made a huge mess.

Did you think they would achieve balance without some nerfs?

[Gas Guzzler]

Vxheous Kerensky, on 18 May 2017 - 09:42 AM, said:

Yeah, I agree with you that the Timber "should" feel more agile than it does, but it's by no means a dead mech.

Well, yeah..

[Wingbreaker]

CK16, on 18 May 2017 - 07:01 AM, said:

Tbr is fine, but you have to play it like a TBR....speed and guns are your strengths use them. She isn't a tank....focus on agile, speed, then firepower and you will be alright.

No it isn't.




Compare this to a marauder, which is also a 75 ton non-humanoid. It's embarassing.

Edited by Wingbreaker, 18 May 2017 - 11:35 AM.

[WrathOfDeadguy]

"My 75-tonner that had the agility and twist rate of a 45-tonner now turns and twists like a 75-tonner even though it still has the top speed of a 50-tonner and the alpha of a 90-tonner! That means it's useless now!"

Mmmmmmm... salty and delicious.

[Juodas Varnas]

I have the widest sh*t-eating grin on my face right now, reading through all the Clan-whine about the Mad Cat not being as agile as a medium mech anymore.

I know, i know, it's tragic and everything, but i can't help it!

[Gas Guzzler]

Juodas Varnas, on 18 May 2017 - 12:00 PM, said:

I have the widest sh*t-eating grin on my face right now, reading through all the Clan-whine about the Mad Cat not being as agile as a medium mech anymore.

I know, i know, it's tragic and everything, but i can't help it!

Actually most if not all top tier mediums were more agile than the Timber, so not sure where the "as agile as a medium mech" is coming from.

[Wingbreaker]

WrathOfDeadguy, on 18 May 2017 - 11:52 AM, said:

"My 75-tonner that had the agility and twist rate of a 45-tonner now turns and twists like a 75-tonner even though it still has the top speed of a 50-tonner and the alpha of a 90-tonner! That means it's useless now!"

Mmmmmmm... salty and delicious.

u w0t m8?

Gas Guzzler, on 18 May 2017 - 12:02 PM, said:

Actually most if not all top tier mediums were more agile than the Timber, so not sure where the "as agile as a medium mech" is coming from.

"I didn't spend an appreciable amount of time in the mech but want to shitpost while people point out actual flaws in current numbers" is pretty much half the thread.

Edited by Wingbreaker, 18 May 2017 - 12:17 PM.

[Exilyth]

TBR-C(S) pilots mostly as before, except for accel/deccel rate.

[Formosa The God]

The Timber is supposed to be as agile as a medium, thats one of its main strengths on the TT and everywhere else its ever been portrayed, I want some of that back, not all of it, just some and i will be happier.

I also want the same for my bloody Legend Killer, it seems so sucky now

[Gyrok]

627, on 18 May 2017 - 05:04 AM, said:

Let's count the numbers how many victors and how many timbies you see in a match on average and then we can talk about that again.

More VTRs since the nerf than TWs...honestly...

[Ced Riggs]

I am not sure if the jaded commentary of IS players misunderstanding the issue (which is, the TBR is outperformed in agility by almost every other mech in its tonnage region) is helping. This isn't about "gimme my OP robbit back", but about a design decision that is hard to understand, given the canon performance of the TBR. No one is asking for 50 ton agility (btw. have you tried the Hunchback IIC? It's about the level of an assault, too), but if a Marauder IIC performs better despite being 10 tons heavier, and a Marauder performs better despite being the same weight class and not having a reputation for being springy (or running an XL 375...) then confusion is warranted and pointing it out to the developers, too.

That being said, if PGI monitors metrics, they will see TBRs drop in overall performance and (potentially) do balance passes.

[WrathOfDeadguy]

Yeah? The current numbers are borked. That does not in any way detract from the schadenfreude of seeing the Timberwolf get a little taste of what it was like to drive an IS 'Mech against a Timberwolf (or Stormcrow, for that matter) circa 2013. Or 2014. Or 2015. Or 2016.

I hope it gets fixed, because things being broken is bad, but seriously- it's funny. It is glorious. It is the rich, chocolatey filling in the aggravation that was every single time one of those stupid things has out-maneuvered a Centurion for the last several years. I'm going to enjoy every second of this.

[Wingbreaker]

WrathOfDeadguy, on 18 May 2017 - 12:25 PM, said:

I'm going to enjoy every second of this.

I very much doubt that you will, because the best timber pilots will still do what they do. They'll just do it in a different mech when they need to, and nothing at all will change.

That's the thing. This doesn't change my game. I will still dance nonhumanoids. It's an unnecessary change that picks on a mech that doesn't deserve it. The timber already wasn't top of the game any longer, it simply provided an alternative. Nerfing it means there is one less alternative in the book.

Edited by Wingbreaker, 18 May 2017 - 12:36 PM.

[Snowbluff]

Too bad the TBR agility is borked. I have to tote around 375 XL without all of the extra agility that should afford? IN the famously agile TBR? While the famously crummy at CQC MAD gets super agile?

[Alexander of Macedon]

Okay, I'm honestly much more cheerful about a bunch of IS 'mechs being in the dumpster for the foreseeable future just from all the clan tears in this thread.

[WarHippy]

Gas Guzzler, on 18 May 2017 - 12:02 PM, said:

Actually most if not all top tier mediums were more agile than the Timber, so not sure where the "as agile as a medium mech" is coming from.

That has been the go to argument for years from anyone who gravitates toward lights/mediums and gets killed by a bigger mech. It was never a truthful argument, but the hyperbole made for some salty brine. People just seem obsessed with the idea that mechs should feel like they have boat anchors attached to their limbs for some reason.

[A Really Old Clan Dude]

They could start by removing the 5% negative quirk for the trb-a shoulder.

Overall I have found that lights are eating up assaults and heavies if they wander off alone.

my 3 Erlarge timber still is doing ok as its built for long range sniping (+15% range) but my Ac10/srm brawler that used to eat up lights and mediums is really struggling now even with taking the full mobility tree.

[Pixel Hunter]

ha ha! is an IS player it is now time to remind all the timberwofl people tat this was a "unilateral nerf"

even though we know IS was most hurt