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[CK16]

I know PGI is not perfect...I know there are some area's they need to improve...But I do not have an issue with the price model of the packs....(The previous Wave's, a bit yes I am guessing those do not sell well anymore honestly) BUT for all those b!tching and complain about the $20 pack no longer having the premium time ect....I want to show you guys something and honestly have no issue with them only having that on the Collectors package..

Spoiler

Now this is for ONE tank...a single tank, not leveled are anything! Some do not even come with a trained crew at all!

You can try to say I am comparing apples to Oranges but honestly no...these games are both FPS strategy shooters (although with slightly different tactics to consider ect)....I know PGI is not perfect...BUT honestly the bang for my buck in MWO is far better then most games out there in this genre....WoWS is the exact same pricing model, ffs I am pretty sure WoWP is as well!

Honestly, you guys need to stop thinking about the $20 requiring the premium (I mean really! a $15 item or so free out of a $20 package?! FFS I could honestly keep buying my self Javelin gift packages for the pricing get 3 free mechs and the premium time for the same price as stand alone Premium time! HOW IS THE A GOOD MARKETING STRAT FOR PGI!

I know one of the biggest issues with MWO is since no regional clients (mean like a EU,RU, and NA client ect) that the pricing is hard on players who's countries exchange rate for US $ hurts...this I know is a whole lot larger issue then the price in general....But I do not expect PGI to lower prices any more then what they are cause honestly...they are in a pretty sweet spot for a game like this (from the US $ perspective)....

Edited by CK16, 03 June 2017 - 09:46 PM.

[Xetelian]

I think you're missing that fact that those tanks come with 3000 Gold and Premium time and as it says 7 more items.

[Ruar]

The biggest difference is the WoT packs have increased return on rewards similar to the hero mechs. And you only need the one tank, not five or six variants to complete a collection. I do think WoT prices are too high, one of the reasons I quit buying their tanks before I quit, however it doesn't really compare to the MWO packs.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Ummm there is actually a pretty huge difference between those tanks and our Mech Packs.

First, $20 here buys me 3 mechs I could own with C-bills at some point. Those tanks however are unique and can't be acquired with in game currency.

Second, they are used to train crew for other tanks. Here the mechs we get in the $20 don't do anything that the C-bill version won't be able to do.

Third, those tanks earn more credits per match. Here for $20 the mechs we get won't earn us anything extra at all.

The only thing we are getting is the early access. If we buy the $20 mech pack, we get the mechs to play about 3 month early. That is it.

Also just because someone is charging more for a similar product, doesn't mean that the product here isn't over priced. WoT has several million players worldwide. MWO has maybe 200k worldwide if that. WoT adds content at about 5x or maybe even 10x times the pace of MWO as well so part of higher cost, comes back to you in the form of alot more content.

So while you may think that the pricing structure in this game provides a whole lot of value, others may not see that as the case. Before when the premium time was included, I felt the pricing for mech packs offered tons and tons of value, which is why I bought so many of them. Now, most of that value is gone and what is left isn't really enough for me to say that it is a good value to buy a mech pack any more. If early access is important to you, then yeah buy the pack otherwise, it just makes more sense to wait for the C-bill release when you consider what your getting for your $20 spent.

Also you have to look at things from one other perspective. We aren't griping because we want a lower price, we are griping because in essence, PGI has raised pricing by removing the 30 days of premium time. Now instead of spending $20 to get a new mech and our monthly premium time all in one package, we are expected to spend $20 for the mech pack and another $12 for the premium time. That is a HUGE increase in cost. We aren't asking them to lower the price, we are just asking for them to give us the same value for our money that we had previously.

[Xetelian]

Compare those to the Steam packs if anything. Which make WoT and MWO very close to the same.

[process]

"Things could be worse" isn't really a compelling argument. Even comparing internally, why is it acceptable for old $20 packs to contain premium time, while newer $20 packs don't?

And now that we have the new skill tree, why do I need 3 to 7 of the same mech at a time?

[Scythe Kagato]

Or I could just wait a little bit and get the mech with cbills I collected while waiting.

[DAYLEET]

I was always a fan of finding someone in a much worse situation than me and then feel good about my situation. Its not so bad. Good even. Hell, have you seen how bad they have it over there? its almost like we arent in a bad situation anymore. I mean, if we were to exist at both place in time and still be distinctly different as we are now, we would be better off then them. We can always break the mirror to reveal them on the other side and point and laugh at them. we are not them, no matter how bad it gets here, we are not them!

[El Bandito]

I just think PGI should lower prices on old a-la-carte mechs, such as invasion Clan mechs. PGI should also re-release Phoenix pack permanently. Those mechs are really old, and should not be as expensive/exclusive anymore. I guarantee PGI will profit from this change.

[Imperius]

I'm not here to compare prices or what not but I'm going to add my 2 cents. Of course I'm an edge case so take what I have to say as you will.

Never once did I ever feel mechs in MWO were worth their price. (This is because I grew up gaming and when I used to buy games all the content you got was in the $20 package, I think that was standard price of NES games in the 80's)

That said I buy mech packs because I love battletech and I'm going to support the company willing to keep it alive. Battletech had a pretty big role in my life when I was a younger kid (I'll spare you the sob story, but it helped me though hard times and I'll leave it at that) I do really enjoy MWO it feels right, it just sadly has no content. I do not always agree with the leadership decisions and choices either, but I share my feedback and move on.

So while I do have every top tier mechpack in the game, 2 gold mechs, and enough MC and premium time to last MWO's lifespan. No once do I regret spending my money on this game. I do hope however when the servers for MWO shut down. I still have something to play on. Either they release the tools for us to host our own servers and/or add offline bot mode.

TL;DR If you enjoy the game, then spend money and support the developer. It really should have nothing to do with what you consider a to be a bang for your buck. (That's always subjective)

Edited by Imperius, 04 June 2017 - 05:13 AM.

[Alan Davion]

El Bandito, on 04 June 2017 - 04:27 AM, said:

I just think PGI should lower prices on old a-la-carte mechs, such as invasion Clan mechs. PGI should also re-release Phoenix pack permanently. Those mechs are really old, and should not be as expensive/exclusive anymore. I guarantee PGI will profit from this change.

PGI tried that a couple years ago remember?

But the community was frothing at the mouth over "MUH EXCLISIVITY~!" and PGI caved. The attempted nerf of the Stormcrow and Timber Wolf at the time didn't exactly help things either.

Hell, I messaged Russ himself here on the MWO forums shortly after that fiasco, at the time he said he wanted to re-release them, but his hands were tied by the community outcry.

The only way the Phoenix mechs will be released again is probably if all the "exclusive" stuff is taken away, but at that point, why bother re-releasing them at all?

Edited by Alan Davion, 04 June 2017 - 05:07 AM.

[Imperius]

Alan Davion, on 04 June 2017 - 05:07 AM, said:

PGI tried that a couple years ago remember?

But the community was frothing at the mouth over "MUH EXCLISIVITY~!" and PGI caved. The attempted nerf of the Stormcrow and Timber Wolf at the time didn't exactly help things either.

Hell, I messaged Russ himself here on the MWO forums shortly after that fiasco, at the time he said he wanted to re-release them, but his hands were tied by the community outcry.

The only way the Phoenix mechs will be released again is probably if all the "exclusive" stuff is taken away, but at that point, why bother re-releasing them at all?

People complained about the gold mechs... who cares if some of us are willing to throw money at the developers?

People in this community sure can complain about anything and everything.

[cazidin]

Just wait, soon we'll only have to pay $10 per mechpack...

...for a single mech.

[El Bandito]

Alan Davion, on 04 June 2017 - 05:07 AM, said:

PGI tried that a couple years ago remember?

But the community was frothing at the mouth over "MUH EXCLISIVITY~!" and PGI caved. The attempted nerf of the Stormcrow and Timber Wolf at the time didn't exactly help things either.

Hell, I messaged Russ himself here on the MWO forums shortly after that fiasco, at the time he said he wanted to re-release them, but his hands were tied by the community outcry.

The only way the Phoenix mechs will be released again is probably if all the "exclusive" stuff is taken away, but at that point, why bother re-releasing them at all?

That was couple of years ago. Less people give a damn now. Riot went back on their words on LoL legacy skins exclusivity and nothing happened, so PGI should do the same. Besides, it is pretty unfair on players who haven't joined MWO then.

Edited by El Bandito, 04 June 2017 - 05:34 AM.

[Zigmund Freud]

Didn't WoT have some kind of golden ammo, that cost you real money but hit harder? I mean they are not exactly the best free to play game out there.

[STEF_]

CK16, on 03 June 2017 - 09:45 PM, said:

I know PGI is not perfect...I know there are some area's they need to improve...But I do not have an issue with the price model of the packs....(The previous Wave's, a bit yes I am guessing those do not sell well anymore honestly) BUT for all those b!tching and complain about the $20 pack no longer having the premium time ect....I want to show you guys something and honestly have no issue with them only having that on the Collectors package..

Spoiler

Now this is for ONE tank...a single tank, not leveled are anything! Some do not even come with a trained crew at all!

You can try to say I am comparing apples to Oranges but honestly no...these games are both FPS strategy shooters (although with slightly different tactics to consider ect)....I know PGI is not perfect...BUT honestly the bang for my buck in MWO is far better then most games out there in this genre....WoWS is the exact same pricing model, ffs I am pretty sure WoWP is as well!

Honestly, you guys need to stop thinking about the $20 requiring the premium (I mean really! a $15 item or so free out of a $20 package?! FFS I could honestly keep buying my self Javelin gift packages for the pricing get 3 free mechs and the premium time for the same price as stand alone Premium time! HOW IS THE A GOOD MARKETING STRAT FOR PGI!

I know one of the biggest issues with MWO is since no regional clients (mean like a EU,RU, and NA client ect) that the pricing is hard on players who's countries exchange rate for US $ hurts...this I know is a whole lot larger issue then the price in general....But I do not expect PGI to lower prices any more then what they are cause honestly...they are in a pretty sweet spot for a game like this (from the US $ perspective)....

Pgi are doing so right that I stopped buying mechpacks from more than 1 year.

Moreover, I won't buy anymore 3 mech+2add on, as you don't need anymore 3 variant to master the only variant you are interest in.

That's why I wrote this thread:
https://mwomercs.com...94#entry5771894

My wallet is ready for a-la carte option, if pgi is interest in my money.

If not, they can go on in "doing right" with zero cent from me.

[TKSax]

El Bandito, on 04 June 2017 - 05:33 AM, said:

That was couple of years ago. Less people give a damn now. Riot went back on their words on LoL legacy skins exclusivity and nothing happened, so PGI should do the same. Besides, it is pretty unfair on players who haven't joined MWO then.

So I am a Phoenix Pack owner and back when the polled forums I voted no to the re-release. of them. Back in the dark days on 2013 the only reason I did not ask for a refund because the pack was being sold as never to be sold again. But honestly I would not care if they were re-released, if they ask my opinion again I would still say no do the original terms of how the pack was sold. Personally, I am not sure they would really be that successful, and there is nothing stopping them from packing those mechs up with new skins and making a new pack either, which I don't don't think anyone would care about. But I do like having my BLR-1G with special geometry.

As far as Mech Packs and Pricing, when Russ told us that PGI was going to change hte mech packs due to the skill tree I am not sure anyone thought they would just go back to the old multi-mech pack that are less value than they used to be for early adopters.

Zigmund Freud, on 04 June 2017 - 05:45 AM, said:

Didn't WoT have some kind of golden ammo, that cost you real money but hit harder? I mean they are not exactly the best free to play game out there.

Yes, that was a while ago now you can buy the gold ammo with in-game currency also. Comparing the Ships/Tanks that (world of warships) WoWs and WoT sells is not the same as comparing them to mech packs, as someone else said they are more akin to hero mechs here. I enjoy WoWs but I do think their hero ships are too expensive and I have only bought one (that was with a 10$ code for a Murmansk) and the others I have gotten with in-game codes or won.

Edited by TKSax, 04 June 2017 - 05:58 AM.

[Alan Davion]

El Bandito, on 04 June 2017 - 05:33 AM, said:

That was couple of years ago. Less people give a damn now. Riot went back on their words on LoL legacy skins exclusivity and nothing happened, so PGI should do the same. Besides, it is pretty unfair on players who haven't joined MWO then.

That's what I and quite a few other people said back then, and we were shouted down with all sorts of analogies, and even a few obscenities.

I really do believe that if PGI tried it again, we'd have an exact repeat of the situation a couple years ago with the Phoenix Rising event.

LoL is one thing. Did Riot at any point say anything about "NEVER TO BE MADE AVAILABLE AGAIN" with their legacy skins? Because that's the primary phrase that the "exclusive" crowd in MWO berated those of us who wanted the Phoenix mechs to be made available again with.

I remember one person equating it to cars, saying you don't go to a dealership the year after an exclusive model is made available, because it won't be available the next year. Obviously this analogy doesn't apply to digital goods, but some of these people I swear were frothing at the mouth as they typed their retorts trying to silence us.

I think a few of them even called us Social Justice Warriors and other unkind words.

TKSax, on 04 June 2017 - 05:49 AM, said:

So I am a Phoenix Pack owner and back when the polled forums I voted no to the re-release. of them. Back in the dark days on 2013 the only reason I did not ask for a refund because the pack was being sold as never to be sold again. But honestly I would not care if they were re-released, f they ask my opinion again I would still say no do the original terms of how the pack was sold. Personally, I am not sure they would really be that successful, and there is nothing stopping them from packing those mechs up with new skins and making a new pack either, which I don't don't think anyone would care about. But I do like having my BLR-1G with special geometry.

As far as Mech Packs and Pricing, when Russ told us that PGI was going to change hte mech packs due to the skill tree I am not sure anyone thought they would just go back to the old multi-mech pack that are less value than they used to be for early adopters.

Some people would care. And some people might not buy the mechs if PGI changed them from their original state. That would cost PGI money.

I for one wouldn't buy the mechs if PGI changed the paint job or the geometry for the mechs, because I think the paint job and geometry they have is perfect for them, in particular the Shadow Hawk.

[SmokedJag]

Zigmund Freud, on 04 June 2017 - 05:45 AM, said:

Didn't WoT have some kind of golden ammo, that cost you real money but hit harder? I mean they are not exactly the best free to play game out there.

Yes, to the point people called them "nickels" since that's around what they cost if you bought gold to buy them. They eventually made them available for game credit (Cbills) but have recently altered the high tier meta such that you HAVE to shoot a lot of premium ammo (heavily armored vehicles with no weak points and better ammo), which you can't afford on a standard account (since that game has repair & rearm). This caused a $&#!show that ended in getting caught blackmailing a YouTuber who attacked the pricing of the P2W tank in the OP.

Wargaming in general has rampant P2W and exploitative pricing. World of Warships lets you buy high tier boats that are flat out better than their non-premium peers. And has a brutal paywall in front of another intentionally OP iconic ship (Yamato). That game also bloats out premium ship packages with stuff you don't want or need but which they use to justify increased cost.

[Alan Davion]

SmokedJag, on 04 June 2017 - 06:23 AM, said:

Yes, to the point people called them "nickels" since that's around what they cost if you bought gold to buy them. They eventually made them available for game credit (Cbills) but have recently altered the high tier meta such that you HAVE to shoot a lot of premium ammo (heavily armored vehicles with no weak points and better ammo), which you can't afford on a standard account (since that game has repair & rearm). This caused a $&#!show that ended in getting caught blackmailing a YouTuber who attacked the pricing of the P2W tank in the OP.

Not to mention the resignation of at least one Community Contributor that I know of, The Mighty Jingles, specifically. I wouldn't be surprised if more resigned as well due to that fiasco.

SmokedJag, on 04 June 2017 - 06:23 AM, said:

Wargaming in general has rampant P2W and exploitative pricing. 1. World of Warships lets you buy high tier boats that are flat out better than their non-premium peers. 2. And has a brutal paywall in front of another intentionally OP iconic ship (Yamato). That game also bloats out premium ship packages with stuff you don't want or need but which they use to justify increased cost.

Now for my nit picks on your statement.

1. This is quantifiably untrue. There are several ships in WoWs that are glass cannons in the extreme. The Atlanta being the prime example. Sure it lets you spray shells like a FAMAS in the Battlefield games, but if the wrong ship literally LOOKS at you the wrong way you get deleted in short order. That is not flat out better than many non-premium ships.

2. What paywall are you referring to? The Yamato is a non-premium ship, you are perfectly capable of getting that ship without spending a penny. Sure it would take you an obscenely, extraordinarily long freaking time to do it, but you CAN do it.