107 replies to this topic

[Kraegan]

According to the patch notes they now deal the same damage now as Clan ER Mediums, so aside from higher cycling, what's the logic in taking CMPLs over CERMLs? They deal the same damage with lower heat.

[Shifty McSwift]

What are the stats? Or at least a link to them?

The point to taking MPL just on the basis of what you said here would still be the burn time and cooldown right?

[JadePanther]

less heat, shorter cooldown, shorter duration.

[Gas Guzzler]

I mean much less heat right? 4.75 vs 6.3 or something? Sounds like a lot more sustainable DPS, for a 3 damage loss to alpha on my SNV-1. I'll take it.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 14 July 2017 - 11:39 PM.

[Deathlike]

Still useful, yet still got nerfed.

[Khobai]

Medium Pulses still seem useful to me.

All the other clan lasers have crap durations now

The heavy medium laser isnt too far behind for damage per tick but the ridiculously long cooldown makes it way worse.

Medium Pulse seems like the best multipurpose laser now. Just because the CERML runs way too hot now and the beam duration sucks.

Edited by Khobai, 15 July 2017 - 12:05 AM.

[Carl Vickers]

Khobai, on 15 July 2017 - 12:02 AM, said:

Medium Pulses still seem useful to me.

All the other clan lasers have crap durations now

The heavy medium laser isnt too far behind for damage per tick but the ridiculously long cooldown makes it way worse.

Medium Pulse seems like the best multipurpose laser now. Just because the CERML runs way too hot now and the beam duration sucks.

You would know that they are useful if you actually played. Most of my lazor vomit builds have replaced the ermeds with med pulse, much more damage to be had now. I did keep some builds with ermeds just for range poking but other than that med pulse are actually good for once.

[Deathlike]

Khobai, on 15 July 2017 - 12:02 AM, said:

Medium Pulses still seem useful to me.

All the other clan lasers have crap durations now

The heavy medium laser isnt too far behind for damage per tick but the ridiculously long cooldown makes it way worse.

Medium Pulse seems like the best multipurpose laser now. Just because the CERML runs way too hot now and the beam duration sucks.

CERMEDs are still fine.. assuming you are bothering with stuffing as much DHS as possible.

[Khobai]

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You would know that they are useful if you actually played.

I do play. Every day. And likely far more than you. And I know MPL are useful NOW.

Were discussing the new MPL stats in the patch notes and how the MPL will change in the upcoming patch.

Please try to catch up to the rest of us.

[Luminis]

Higher damage per heat, higher damage per second, lower duration / higher damage per tick. That's nothing to sneeze at. Medium Pulses were really good on live since the Energy Rebalance and since the drop in damage is compensated by slightly reduced heat, the MPL will be fine overall.

The only issue I have, at present, is that the ERML got double max range now. So you're losing way more overall range than you did before.

[Skanderborg]

I still use them because they are very cool and have a reasonable duration.

[Tarogato]

Carl Vickers, on 15 July 2017 - 12:45 AM, said:

You would know that they are useful if you actually played.

Khobai, on 15 July 2017 - 04:47 AM, said:

I do play. Every day. And likely far more than you.

I CAN'T TAKE IT, I NEED TO SEE WHO'S RIGHT.

*consults the spreadsheets*


<facts>

Carl Vickers: 1961 QP matches played since June 2016 (161 in the past two weeks) + 110 FP matches
Khobai: 879 QP matches since June 2016 (0 in the past two months) + 0 FP matches

</facts>



Btw, aren't you both saying the same thing? What are you even arguing about? You literally both are saying the the cMPL is useful and neither have commented directly on its future condition. I'm thoroughly confused.

Edited by Tarogato, 15 July 2017 - 05:34 AM.

[Khobai]

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Carl Vickers: 1961 QP matches played since June 2016 (161 in the past two weeks) + 110 FP matches
Khobai: 879 QP matches since June 2016 (0 in the past two months) + 0 FP matches

Sounds about right since I havent used that account for several months. That doesnt mean I havent been playing every day though.

OH MY GOD KHOBAI HAS BOTH AN IS ACCOUNT AND A CLAN ACCOUNT SO HE CAN PLAY BOTH WITHOUT HAVING TO BREAK CONTRACTS.

THE BIG REVEAL. MINDS BLOWN.

yes the new technology has made me excited to play IS again. Which is exactly what I have been doing.

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Btw, aren't you both saying the same thing? What are you even arguing about? You literally both are saying the the cMPL is useful and neither have commented directly on its future condition. I'm thoroughly confused.

Not sure what his problem is. He just started attacking me personally because hes ignorant of the fact I have multiple accounts.

And the only comment I made about the MPL is that it will still be viable because all the other lasers like the CERML have been nerfed too. So the MPL is still in a good place relative to everything else.

Edited by Khobai, 15 July 2017 - 05:45 AM.

[Tarogato]

Khobai, on 15 July 2017 - 05:36 AM, said:

Sounds about right since I havent used that account for several months. That doesnt mean I havent been playing every day though.

Nvm, you probably both have seven alt accounts.

[BlueFlames]

Honestly, I've stopped using ERMLs altogether. The burn duration is too long. MPLs offer good damage (even with the nerf) for less face time, which makes them worth the extra ton.

[Bud Crue]

BlueFlames, on 15 July 2017 - 06:42 AM, said:

Honestly, I've stopped using ERMLs altogether. The burn duration is too long. MPLs offer good damage (even with the nerf) for less face time, which makes them worth the extra ton.

Yeah...I saw this thread and thought maybe I read the notes wrong.

To my way of thinking the CMPL is the energy weapon (along with the CLPL) that I will use the most. ERML just got even more heat, so too the ERSL. The MPL may do .5 less damage now, but at least I can still fire 6 of them without overheating.

[Carl Vickers]

Tarogato, on 15 July 2017 - 05:39 AM, said:

Nvm, you probably both have seven alt accounts.

Lol, nope, just the one account for me, with a family I don't have time for more than 1, that's why I can do both as a Merc.

[Josh Seles]

I'd say the C-Med Pulse is the best ClanTech medium-class laser. Without a doubt, at least for me.
I'll take a C-Med Pulse's 0.9 second beam over a C-ER Med's 1.25 second beam any day.

Edit: The C-ER Med Laser was better pre-nerf, but what's past is past.

Edited by Josh Seles, 16 July 2017 - 08:08 PM.

[Khobai]

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I'd say the C-Med Pulse is the best ClanTech medium-class laser. Without a doubt, at least for me.
I'll take a C-Med Pulse's 0.9 second beam over a C-ER Med's 1.25 second beam any day.

No question. Its the only medium laser with reasonable heat.

[ingramli]

Too much problem with the cmpl, it is twice as heavy as cerml, and trade range for shorter duration, what make the situation worse is the heat penalty, it is grouped with ALL medium and small pulse/standard laser, which make it difficult to work with other energy weapons. For CERML, i still feel that its synergy with CLPL is not bad, with similar duration and cooldown, plus u get more tonnage (compare to CMPL) to fill more DHS on it. Seriously, link all the medium and small lasers (pulse or not) into the same group for heat penalty really hurts......