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Gauss/ppc And Why The Ghost Heat Change Is Bad


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#61 MustrumRidcully

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 01:20 PM

I would say it was a big mistake to call the AUtocannons after their game damage in the first place.

It's not like a Medium Laser is called a Laser-5. Why did they do it for autocannons?

They should have called them light, medium, heavy and assault autocannon. Or small, medium, large, extra large.

Ah, well, the damage was done decades ago. You either try to observe these names in some way, and might get into game design problems with that, or you sweep them away.

#62 davoodoo

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 01:22 PM

View PostMustrumRidcully, on 15 July 2017 - 01:20 PM, said:

It's not like a Medium Laser is called a Laser-5. Why did they do it for autocannons?

because small autocannon, medium autocannon, large autocannon and giant autocannon sound really lame.

#63 Gas Guzzler

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 01:22 PM

But... what about the Gauss-2HPPC Victor/HGN/any other mech that can't do dual gauss? Because I agree firing 2 gauss then 2 PPC is still potent, its the single gauss combos that are really shafted.

#64 davoodoo

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 01:23 PM

View PostGas Guzzler, on 15 July 2017 - 01:22 PM, said:

But... what about the Gauss-2HPPC Victor/HGN/any other mech that can't do dual gauss? Because I agree firing 2 gauss then 2 PPC is still potent, its the single gauss combos that are really shafted.

**** em duh.

#65 xe N on

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 01:33 PM

Another prime example showing that PGI has really no clue about balancing.

Sure, PPC + Gauss can result in a powerful combination - mainly because pinpoint alpha, not so much because of DPS. And 2 Gauss 2 PPC is a little overkill.

While 2 Gauss + 1 PPC will be still playable, 1 Gauss and 2 PPC will be unplayable. Makes totally sense, especially because substituting PPC against Laser will trigger no ghost heat at all.

At least IS Ghost heat trigger for PPC/Gauss should be set to 4.

Edited by xe N on, 15 July 2017 - 01:38 PM.


#66 Mar-X-maN

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 01:35 PM

Quick question: Why is no one blaming PPC/Gauss builds for staying in the back, not sharing armor and not pushing?

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 01:37 PM

View PostMar X maN, on 15 July 2017 - 01:35 PM, said:

Quick question: Why is no one blaming PPC/Gauss builds for staying in the back, not sharing armor and not pushing?


Can you shout Gauss and PPC in a parable curve? Last Game I played you still need to expose your self for shooting?

#68 xXBagheeraXx

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 01:41 PM

they HAD to nerf this combo due to the dual heavy gauss/snub ppc combo seen in the test server. If you thought pre nerf Dire whales back in the day runing the gauss ppc combo where bad wait till one of THOSE hit you. it one shot opens most ASSAULT mechs, a light or medium is probably a one shot.

#69 Y E O N N E

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 01:41 PM

View PostMar X maN, on 15 July 2017 - 01:35 PM, said:

Quick question: Why is no one blaming PPC/Gauss builds for staying in the back, not sharing armor and not pushing?


Because that is a myth.

2x Gauss + PPC pushes fine. It's one of the reasons the NTG is so good. It doesn't have to be in your face to do it, either, given the range.

Armor also gets shared, when people nut up and go deal with the poptart either by driving on it as one or sending Lights after it. You can also easily get laser damage on them as they come up.

#70 xXBagheeraXx

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 01:43 PM

I run one mech with the ppc gauss combo and its a dire wolf. I always push up when i get the chance...50 alpha hurts just as much at long range as short.

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 01:46 PM

View PostRevis Volek, on 15 July 2017 - 11:54 AM, said:



3 if you include space bar




Macros takes ability away from gauss, as it always fire it and if you macro ppc well thats just silly.

Learn to use your hands? l2uyh? lol

will do...after cryhards stop crying over ever little thing.
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Edited by Bishop Steiner, 15 July 2017 - 01:47 PM.


#72 Gas Guzzler

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 01:49 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 15 July 2017 - 01:46 PM, said:

will do...after cryhards stop crying over ever little thing.
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Have you even played the game since the skill tree dropped?

View PostMar X maN, on 15 July 2017 - 01:35 PM, said:

Quick question: Why is no one blaming PPC/Gauss builds for staying in the back, not sharing armor and not pushing?


Because they are sharing armor and then they do move up when its time to push.

#73 Antares102

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 01:52 PM

View PostGas Guzzler, on 15 July 2017 - 01:49 PM, said:

Have you even played the game since the skill tree dropped?

Only in his police Urbie I presume.
(Take that Bishop for being mean to me last time! I am a resentful b|tch! :D)

Edited by Antares102, 15 July 2017 - 01:53 PM.


#74 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 01:55 PM

View PostAntares102, on 15 July 2017 - 01:52 PM, said:

Only in his police Urbie I presume.
(Take that Bishop for being mean to me last time! I am a resentful b|tch! Posted Image)

lol, respect. Posted Image (some truth though.... most of my unfortunately play has been urbie play)

View PostGas Guzzler, on 15 July 2017 - 01:49 PM, said:

Have you even played the game since the skill tree dropped?



Because they are sharing armor and then they do move up when its time to push.

yup. have you? not sure where you find the time between forum rants.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 15 July 2017 - 01:56 PM.


#75 xe N on

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 01:59 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 15 July 2017 - 01:55 PM, said:


yup. have you? not sure where you find the time between forum rants.


Bishop Steiner 45,737 posts
Gaz Guzzler 11,159 posts

This was an own goal?

#76 C E Dwyer

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 02:02 PM

View PostAntares102, on 15 July 2017 - 08:32 AM, said:


Me as well, this game is balanced around the potato population and not from the top like every other game.
Or better the whining potato population is balancing this game, which uses twitter and tweets Russ all the time.


You've never tweeted Russ ?

I guess this means you won't be trying to qualify for Mech con with all the potato balancing ?

#77 davoodoo

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 02:03 PM

View PostGas Guzzler, on 15 July 2017 - 01:49 PM, said:

Because they are sharing armor and then they do move up when its time to push.

poptarts sharing armor, thats new.

#78 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 02:04 PM

View Postxe N on, on 15 July 2017 - 01:59 PM, said:


Bishop Steiner 45,737 posts
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This was an own goal?

your point? How many of those posts have I made in the last 6 months...let alone the last 24 hours where Gas has probably logged 1000 posts alone?

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 02:07 PM

View PostCathy, on 15 July 2017 - 02:02 PM, said:


You've never tweeted Russ ?

I guess this means you won't be trying to qualify for Mech con with all the potato balancing ?

This game is not as important as it might be for others. Actually I dont care about the state of the game.
I'll use what I get and adapt. If its fun part is reduced to 0 I move on. Very simple.
Except for absolut top competitive play I have seen everything in this game already.

Edited by Antares102, 15 July 2017 - 02:08 PM.


#80 Gas Guzzler

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Posted 15 July 2017 - 02:10 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 15 July 2017 - 01:55 PM, said:

yup. have you? not sure where you find the time between forum rants.


Yeah because the skill tree was released last night? Lol.

Hard to believe since all your leaderboard stats are showing up blank since then. If you had played a decent amount you would have noticed that PPC Gauss isn't really a dominant force in quick play anymore. Of course, you do have an alt so I'm sure you will use that as a convenient shield as I don't know what it is so I can't look it up.

View PostBishop Steiner, on 15 July 2017 - 02:04 PM, said:

your point? How many of those posts have I made in the last 6 months...let alone the last 24 hours where Gas has probably logged 1000 posts alone?


Doubtful. And again, the skill tree was released prior to last night when I got home from the night on the town to read these patch notes. So, I had ample time to play the game with the skill tree over the past few months.





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