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Lykaon, on 28 June 2018 - 10:16 PM, said:

I would opt for 2 snubs an AC10 and an AC20 for 50 pinpoint damage and no jamming.

Not really helping the LB-20X's case when your suggestion is to not take LB-20X, eh?

[BoldricKent]

10 crits slots on IS LBX20 would be huge, since it would be available on many more chassis on arm, which increases it
accuracy and agility, Jaggermech, Dragons, Victors, Centurions (Lbx has double speed of ac), so it preforms better in brawl.
Limitation of torso mounted it rather big.

[lazorbeamz]

Lykaon, on 28 June 2018 - 10:16 PM, said:

I would opt for 2 snubs an AC10 and an AC20 for 50 pinpoint damage and no jamming.

THose snub and ultra cannon builds are all absolutely terrible in a straight 1v1 brawl they are all way way too hot for this.

[ShiverMeRivets]

lazorbeamz, on 29 June 2018 - 01:03 AM, said:

THose snub and ultra cannon builds are all absolutely terrible in a straight 1v1 brawl they are all way way too hot for this.

Probably true. 3 MPLs are better than 2 SNPPC if you have the extra hard point.

[Erronius]

BoldricKent, on 29 June 2018 - 12:14 AM, said:

10 crits slots on IS LBX20 would be huge, since it would be available on many more chassis on arm, which increases it
accuracy and agility, Jaggermech, Dragons, Victors, Centurions (Lbx has double speed of ac), so it preforms better in brawl.
Limitation of torso mounted it rather big.

For me the big question here is...let's say the crit slots were reduced to 10. At that point, why even take a vanilla AC/20? You're looking at better heat, no ghost heat with 2ea, better range, crit damage...people can say "but AC/20 pinpoint damage", but if you're close at all, you're probably capable of moderately comparable pinpoint anyways. Suddenly dual LB20X builds are far better than dual AC/20s due to ghost heat (and people might argue that they're ALREADY better on mechs like the Sleipner and BW) and regarding single LB20X builds...I mean, I dunno, but I think I might go with a single LB20X over a single AC/20 much of the time if the slots were reduced to 10.

Which, frankly, really points to issues with the IS AC/20 in the first place, but that's another argument entirely.

I would totally trade a greatly increased spread on the LB20X for a 1 slot reduction. Hell, add in a reduction to hitpoints too. The thing is just ridiculously hard to fit, and we don't get anything like splitting weapon crit slots between locations like we could in TT, nor do we get ammo-swapping, so PGIs insistence on sticking to canon crit slots seems...weird. I could get the argument that they don't want to completely replace the AC/20, and they don't want to go down the path where reducing the LB20X crit slots leads to them buffing the AC/20, and those buffs then tipping the balance scales tip too far in the other direction...but still.

[thievingmagpi]

dual lb20x warhammer is fantastic

[Grus]

Jay Leon Hart, on 28 June 2018 - 03:59 PM, said:

You mean the one that ended up with MixTech and everyone at the same level of power after they nuked the galaxy? That lore? Sure, bring some balance this way!

To you I say, go play TT if you want OP Clan tech or read those books if you care about "the lore" so much.

You don't want that world because all your overquirked IS mechs lose said overquirkness... if they don't then all you would see in FW would be IS overquirked IS mechs fighting overquirked IS mechs, both with clan tech.. and I do play TT now and then so

Balance would be achieved if they stuck to the lore. You wpundt see many clan assaults on the field because of how Effing expensive they are, both in cbills and drop cost (Battle value). But instead the turned clan mech's into paper tigers...

The lbx20 is fine where it's at... because BALANCE!

[Jay Leon Hart]

Grus, on 02 July 2018 - 08:20 AM, said:

You don't want that world because all your overquirked IS mechs lose said overquirkness... if they don't then all you would see in FW would be IS overquirked IS mechs fighting overquirked IS mechs, both with clan tech.. and I do play TT now and then so

Yep, all those OP IS 'mechs I've been playing lately - Osiris, Nova Cat & Blood Asp. Truly the most heavily quirked IS 'mechs in the game!

I'd be fine with reduced quirks, if it meant MixTech (remember, some Clan 'mechs also get quirks, it's almost like they're not an IS exclusive thing )

Grus, on 02 July 2018 - 08:20 AM, said:

Balance would be achieved if they stuck to the lore. You wpundt see many clan assaults on the field because of how Effing expensive they are, both in cbills and drop cost (Battle value). But instead the turned clan mech's into paper tigers...

Yep, that's why HBS BT used TT values for everything. Oh wait, no they didn't

PSST! BV is not lore, it's a TT thing

[Grus]

Jay Leon Hart, on 02 July 2018 - 09:20 AM, said:

Yep, all those OP IS 'mechs I've been playing lately - Osiris, Nova Cat & Blood Asp. Truly the most heavily quirked IS 'mechs in the game!

I'd be fine with reduced quirks, if it meant MixTech (remember, some Clan 'mechs also get quirks, it's almost like they're not an IS exclusive thing )


Yep, that's why HBS BT used TT values for everything. Oh wait, no they didn't

PSST! BV is not lore, it's a TT thing

And trust me I'm not happy about what HBS did. Much rather keep it to the TT as possible, and as lore as possible. All these made up stats are just garbage.

[The6thMessenger]

Antares102, on 21 July 2017 - 09:24 AM, said:

IS LB20-X with 11 slots is nonsense.
So is every other LB-X including those clan versions.
We need a LB-X pellet damage increase.

I honestly would like 13-ton LB20X for my urbie. But i guess that's good too.

[Weeny Machine]

If I am not mistaken (I haven't played it for years), splitting weapon slots was possible in the BT tabletop.

[Grus]

Bush Hopper, on 02 July 2018 - 09:09 PM, said:

If I am not mistaken (I haven't played it for years), splitting weapon slots was possible in the BT tabletop.

correct. Best case in point was the Stone Rihno with the CT gauss.