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[Shadowomega1]

naterist, on 14 April 2018 - 06:44 PM, said:

if this gets settled on the 20th, maybe hbs could pull 1 or 2 all nighters and get them in at launch?

Free post launch DLC is most likely.

[evilauthor]

naterist, on 14 April 2018 - 06:44 PM, said:

if this gets settled on the 20th, maybe hbs could pull 1 or 2 all nighters and get them in at launch?

An all nighter? It wouldn't surprise me if putting them back in simply requires changing a line of code or copy pasting specific files into a specific folder.

[Sigmar Sich]

naterist, on 14 April 2018 - 06:44 PM, said:

if this gets settled on the 20th, maybe hbs could pull 1 or 2 all nighters and get them in at launch?

HBS will not put their game in danger, i believe. Game without two mechs is more profitable than another lawsuit.
It is extremely possible Warhammer and Marauder still will be in the game files, and easily readded by modding.. Still, it's not the same.
There a lot of stuff scheduled for post release, anyway. I'm honestly more interested in story DLCs, than two mech, even ones i grew to love. Not as much as Zeus, Griffin and Urbie, though. So i'm fine =) Nope, i'll still miss Whammy. And Marauder...

[Shadowomega1]

Sigmar Sich, on 14 April 2018 - 07:38 PM, said:

HBS will not put their game in danger, i believe. Game without two mechs is more profitable than another lawsuit.
It is extremely possible Warhammer and Marauder still will be in the game files, and easily readded by modding.. Still, it's not the same.
There a lot of stuff scheduled for post release, anyway. I'm honestly more interested in story DLCs, than two mech, even ones i grew to love. Not as much as Zeus, Griffin and Urbie, though. So i'm fine =) Nope, i'll still miss Whammy. And Marauder...

I doubt they will have it in the files as that could cause another suite down the road if they said they were no longer in game at launch. Remember the Hot Coffee mod and what that caused?

[evilauthor]

Shadowomega1, on 14 April 2018 - 07:55 PM, said:

I doubt they will have it in the files as that could cause another suite down the road if they said they were no longer in game at launch. Remember the Hot Coffee mod and what that caused?

Probably. But I give it good odds that each mech will have their own file or folder, so adding mechs into the game would be as simple as putting their files and other data into the right folders.

[Brain Cancer]

Sigmar Sich, on 14 April 2018 - 05:25 PM, said:

Does this mean we'll see Warhammer and Marauder in HBS BT on release?

Not from HBS, but it's a fact that homegrown mods have the Warhammer first on the list, along with a lot of chassis variants that didn't make the initial HBS list.

Edited by Brain Cancer, 14 April 2018 - 08:26 PM.

[ShadoVulcan]

It'll be interesting to see if HG will try and sue modders for posting up their 'copyrighted material' when they don't make money off the mods.

[Brain Cancer]

ShadoVulcan, on 14 April 2018 - 08:42 PM, said:

It'll be interesting to see if HG will try and sue modders for posting up their 'copyrighted material' when they don't make money off the mods.

Odds are no. MekTek didn't get reamed for it's MW packs that had Unseen in them, and it seems no profit = no interest for HG to make money from legal bludgeoning.

[Adridos]

ShadoVulcan, on 14 April 2018 - 08:42 PM, said:

It'll be interesting to see if HG will try and sue modders for posting up their 'copyrighted material' when they don't make money off the mods.

IF you can mod in mechs easily into Battletech, the ones who will shut you down are Valve, HBS, Paradox, Harmony Gold. In that order.

Valve - Steam has a strict policy against any mods using different IPs due to the laws involved. If you want a Mobile suit mod, you'll have to make it separately and distribute it through ModDb and such.
HBS has little in this case but they may have agreed to deal with this sort of behaviour as a part of their settlement right now with Harmony Gold.
Paradox also has a strict policy against infringing mods and any mess you'd create would rest on their shoulders now.
Harmony Gold, if they find out, are also most likely going to strike you down.


They weren't asses about any of that with MekTek but the reason was simple. MekTek as such was making content for a non-profit game. Your mod, should it be popular, would be an additional source of revenue for HBS. That's the sort of thing which makes mods today much milder, much more IP-aware than back in the 2000s.

[naterist]

guy naame pheonixstorm posted this from the battletech forums, i have no idea if this has been posted yet, but a lot of the evidences are new to me, and ive been following this thread for a little while.


[color=#000000]So here is an update for 110, its a few days/weeks old but contains some interesting information. Mainly a string of emails between HG and PGI that HG brought up as evidence that PGI told HG to ********** they would make the classics anyway. While this is true if you read the entire chain it is not some smoking gun HG claimed that PGI was infringing on their rights. Do note that the first email starts at the bottom and should be read from bottom up for context.[/color]

[color=#000000]Exhibit R [/color]https://www.courtlis...2820.110.18.pdf

[color=#000000]The next I wanted to put up is interesting as they are using an old case from 2002 against a Japanese toy company. While they were within their rights to do so (based on reading the original 1982 LA) I don't see this as something to use in this case as this would fall under something completely different within the LA with HG/Tatsunoko.[/color]
[color=#000000]Exhibit N [/color]https://www.courtlis...2820.110.14.pdf

[color=#000000]For history buffs this one might be interesting. It covers the opening shots between FASA and HG[/color]
[color=#000000]Exhibit M [/color]https://www.courtlis...2820.110.13.pdf

[color=#000000]Aaaaaand either HG has foot in mouth disease or they shot themselves in the foot... Page 3, third full paragraph.[/color][color=#666666]

Quote[/color]
[indent]...you have acknowledged Big West's rights in and to the Macross 41 character designs and that HG will be careful not to infringe upon such rights[/indent][color=#000000]

[/color]

[color=#000000]This was a letter [/color]to[color=#000000] HG[/color]
[color=#000000]Exhibit K [/color]https://www.courtlis...2820.110.11.pdf

[color=#000000]And so, docket 110 was interesting to review all of the available attachments. [/color]https://www.courtlis...e-title/?page=2[color=#000000] There is far more PDFs than what I posted, but found those to be the most interesting. Att 1-3ish cover the original license agreement between Tatsunoko and HG for those interested.[/color]

Edited by naterist, 15 April 2018 - 12:47 AM.

[C E Dwyer]

Sigmar Sich, on 14 April 2018 - 05:25 PM, said:

Does this mean we'll see Warhammer and Marauder in HBS BT on release?

No we won't.

Not until, P.G.I win.

This is just being dragged out and out, because HG don't have rights to the unseen images, used in old Battle Tech games

We know this and everyone but the judge and HG seem to know this

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Shadowomega1, on 14 April 2018 - 06:26 PM, said:

The Marauder appeared in the early game play tests as it was part of the model package from PGI.



Check out what Mech Myrmidon is piloting in that video. The models was likely removed from the files just incase things don't go right for PGI.

The thing is they went after HBS because of this and Wisemen due to the 1990's case yet they failed to demonstrate they had anything to actually go on. Also they didn't step away, HBS and Catalyst games shouldn't have been part of the suite as they bought the rights to PGI's artwork. However, HG has yet to prove they have the rights to the artwork of the Macross unseen, and there has been plenty of evidence that shows Big West has it and there is no transfer of rights. That letter from Tatsu pretty much states that.

Oh wow, yeah that was like, the very first footage we saw way the hell back. So okay, fair, I'd totally forgotten they'd had the Marauder in the game at that point.

Still, it's funny they didn't snip that screenshot, and try to use it in their initial argument against HBS.. of course, HBS could be like "Hey, pre-alpha, nothing's shipped, nothing's final, **** off." And that'd be a damned good argument against HG anyway..

So yeah, regardless, HG's suit against HBS was pointless at the start.

[Adridos]

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 15 April 2018 - 05:31 AM, said:

Still, it's funny they didn't snip that screenshot, and try to use it in their initial argument against HBS.. of course, HBS could be like "Hey, pre-alpha, nothing's shipped, nothing's final, **** off." And that'd be a damned good argument against HG anyway..

That footage doesn't provide any obvious paralells. Even a drunk redneck can see that MW:O Archer and the Spartan are one and the same, with a minor facelift if you put them next to each other like HG have. Cutting out some tiny overhead shots and trying to match them up with a 3/4ths view of the Zentradi machine would do them no good when it comes to resolving the issue in an actual court session.

[Alan Davion]

Adridos, on 14 April 2018 - 11:11 PM, said:

Valve - Steam has a strict policy against any mods using different IPs due to the laws involved. If you want a Mobile suit mod, you'll have to make it separately and distribute it through ModDb and such.

Are you absolutely sure about that? There are plenty of mods on the Steam workshop for who knows how many games that use stuff from other IPs and they haven't been touched.

The Star Wars mods for Stellaris for example.

[Dimento Graven]

Alan Davion, on 15 April 2018 - 07:50 AM, said:

Are you absolutely sure about that? There are plenty of mods on the Steam workshop for who knows how many games that use stuff from other IPs and they haven't been touched.

The Star Wars mods for Stellaris for example.

Too true, then there are games like Galactic Civilizations and Empyrion Galactic Survival, and Fallout 4 where user created, FREE TO DOWNLOAD, mods contain IP from absolutely every other Sci-Fi series/game/concept in existence, YES, even HG's precious RoboTech.

Nothing has yet to happen to any of that.

For me it's a big gaping hole in the 'defense of one's IP' that exists for MOST license holders.

No one seems to give a **** about defending it until money starts changing hands...

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Alan Davion, on 15 April 2018 - 07:50 AM, said:

Are you absolutely sure about that? There are plenty of mods on the Steam workshop for who knows how many games that use stuff from other IPs and they haven't been touched.

The Star Wars mods for Stellaris for example.

Just look at the entire Warhammer 40k ARMY mods for Tabletop Simulator.

You'd have thought Games Workshop would have shut that **** down fast.

[Metus regem]

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 15 April 2018 - 08:18 AM, said:

Just look at the entire Warhammer 40k ARMY mods for Tabletop Simulator.

You'd have thought Games Workshop would have shut that **** down fast.

Oddly enough GW has become more friendly in the last few years... it's really weird...

[Alan Davion]

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 15 April 2018 - 08:18 AM, said:

Just look at the entire Warhammer 40k ARMY mods for Tabletop Simulator.

You'd have thought Games Workshop would have shut that **** down fast.

I don't follow WH40K so I wouldn't know. In fact so far the only mod that I'm aware of that's been shut down was this Mass Effect mod for Battle of Middle Earth II: Rise of the Witch King, and that was EA's doing, cause after buying BioWare, they controlled the Mass Effect IP, not BioWare.

http://www.moddb.com...roject#imagebox

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Alan Davion, on 15 April 2018 - 08:26 AM, said:

I don't follow WH40K so I wouldn't know. In fact so far the only mod that I'm aware of that's been shut down was this Mass Effect mod for Battle of Middle Earth II: Rise of the Witch King, and that was EA's doing, cause after buying BioWare, they controlled the Mass Effect IP, not BioWare.

http://www.moddb.com...roject#imagebox

https://steamcommuni...s/?id=775431044

That's a link to a collection someone put together, it's LITERALLY entire army's and battleground's for 40k.

But I know WHY GW doesn't care, and that's because you still need the official rulebooks and all to play, you need the base rules, and codex for each army.

Still, old GW, would have shut this down in an instant. despite the fact, no one's making money on it.


it's really not easy though, these decisions on what to strike down, and what not to... strike some things down, you incur the wrath of you're entire fanbase... strike others down and no one cares.

HG just has a habbit of screwing with an entire different IP they have nothing to do with beyond 5 or so designs that arguably don't even belong to them.

[Adridos]

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 15 April 2018 - 08:38 AM, said:

But I know WHY GW doesn't care, and that's because you still need the official rulebooks and all to play, you need the base rules, and codex for each army.

I am 100% sure that project is only allowed to exist because GW does not know about it.
I dare you to be the guy who ruins it for everyone else and reports the mod to GW.
They killed a fan game that was far less IP infringing not even 2 years ago and haven't gone through any leadership changes since then.

Loose lips sinked many ships and every 40k fan is painfully aware of that.