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[Bishop Six]

DANKnuggz, on 24 July 2017 - 03:29 PM, said:

I'm just tired of watching clan teams lose while they do 50-100% more dmg than the enemy team simply because they just cannot bring the IS down fast enough due to all the extra tonnage either given outright in the drop deck size or in the form of all the ghost armor and structure... Its gone beyond boring and even with this event going I'm finding it hard to motivate myself to participate in FP.

Russ even stated that the extra drop deck tonnage was due to where the skilled players choose to play NOT because of any tech disparity. The 25 tons is merely a handicap bonus given to IS so their less skilled players can compete with people who they're not really good enough to compete against. Its also designed to make playing IS more appealing to mercs. It however does NOTHING to balance the actual game mechanics themselves as it is purely based on where the skill lies.

So for you is "more damage=good player" ?

[El Bandito]

I dont see IS in general winning more than Clans, from the tug of war screen. Besides a lot of IS pilots dont even have enough C-Bills to trick out their decks, especially replacing their obsolete Std engines with LFEs. IMO the tonnage should remain the same for the duration of the event, and only changed after PGI gets enough data on it.

[KHAN ATTAKHAN]

If what you are saying and If ( I stress if and only if)Russ is saying the weight difference is based on I.S. having less experienced players than clan (that is what you are saying there), then where are the statistics to back that up??, NOT THE BULL**** ONES ADDING MERCS TO THE NUMBERS, we've all seen numbers bloated and falsified by politicians, industry and other people to make a point, everywhere you look in these forums regarding I.S. vs Clans including the stats for FP events things are always biased against the clans because of merc unit numbers, just take a bit of time to read the posts, (again I stress if this is the reason and only if)it is never just the clans mate, the merc units are thrown into the numbers mix to confuse numbers and give false stats to justify anything they want people to believe.
While it's not dishonest to do so the many without real life experience or intelligence will swallow what ever is told them.
Maybe it's time not to cry continually about weight or weapons, JUST GET RID OF THE MERCS AND MAKE US ALL HAPPY

[Itachi The Prodigy]

clanners need a tonnage increase ASP! , new IS tech + armour perks make IS mechs now very formidable

Edited by Itachi The Prodigy, 25 July 2017 - 04:06 AM.

[SmokeGuar]

Tonnage increase works only if Clan has viable 100 tonners. At current form, neither Kodiak nor Dire is a match against IS assaults.

[FallingAce]

El Bandito, on 25 July 2017 - 02:53 AM, said:

I dont see IS in general winning more than Clans, from the tug of war screen. Besides a lot of IS pilots dont even have enough C-Bills to trick out their decks, especially replacing their obsolete Std engines with LFEs. IMO the tonnage should remain the same for the duration of the event, and only changed after PGI gets enough data on it.

In 1 week the clans have lost 8 planets.

Smoke Jag -3
Ghost Bear -1
Jade Falcon -3
Clan Wolf -1

Now wait for the mercs to go back to clan side and see what happens.

[Dark Wooki33 IIC]

The smart ones never went IS ... 50% and insta matches.

Edited by Dark Wooki33 IIC, 25 July 2017 - 08:06 AM.

[DAEDALOS513]

Dark Wooki33 IIC, on 25 July 2017 - 08:06 AM, said:

The smart ones never went IS ... 50% and insta matches.

Gettin insta's on IS side too. IS side has more 'good' goodies to play with

[AssaultPig]

much rather see IS tons reduced than clan increased; FP is already too dominated by heavies and assaults

[RaptorCWS]

KHAN ATTAKHAN, on 25 July 2017 - 03:21 AM, said:

If what you are saying and If ( I stress if and only if)Russ is saying the weight difference is based on I.S. having less experienced players than clan (that is what you are saying there), then where are the statistics to back that up??, NOT THE BULL**** ONES ADDING MERCS TO THE NUMBERS, we've all seen numbers bloated and falsified by politicians, industry and other people to make a point, everywhere you look in these forums regarding I.S. vs Clans including the stats for FP events things are always biased against the clans because of merc unit numbers, just take a bit of time to read the posts, (again I stress if this is the reason and only if)it is never just the clans mate, the merc units are thrown into the numbers mix to confuse numbers and give false stats to justify anything they want people to believe.
While it's not dishonest to do so the many without real life experience or intelligence will swallow what ever is told them.
Maybe it's time not to cry continually about weight or weapons, JUST GET RID OF THE MERCS AND MAKE US ALL HAPPY

Russ said it a while back that the reason the tonnage was increased for IS and decreased for clan was for population imbalance of top tier units and players in clan space. Statistics. I cant remember if it was a tweet or a NGNG podcast. and getting rid of mercs would not make everyone happy. just you or your unit members. not all mercs bounce around every other week. some might as well be loyalist.

*EDIT* you can always check the unit leader boards and see how often a unit plays as clan or IS and then compare them to the loyalist units.

Edited by RaptorCWS, 25 July 2017 - 08:40 AM.

[DAEDALOS513]

AssaultPig, on 25 July 2017 - 08:35 AM, said:

much rather see IS tons reduced than clan increased; FP is already too dominated by heavies and assaults

Agreed

[LordFatman]

Clan mechs are easy mod and their tonnage should be less not more to even game out

[November Juliet]

245 clans and 255 IS. That is my two cents. That keeps IS from dropping 4 65 ton mechs but also means they can still drop an assault and 2 heavies to match the typical clan 3 heavies. Clans like wise can drop 3 heavies and 1 decent medium.

[DANKnuggz]

Bishop Six, on 25 July 2017 - 01:49 AM, said:

So for you is "more damage=good player" ?

Negative.... lower dmg with more kills is what I prefer to do...
Just using the damage as a broad measurement... if one team isn't LRMing and is putting up 50-100% more damage and still losing I'd hardly call that "balanced"... I'm just growing weary of the constant uphill battle that playing clanners has become. Sure having 25 extra tons and a bunch of ghost armor/structure is fun for you because you're benefiting from it so I wouldn't expect you to understand. For those of us who're trying to peel the layers of handicap off so we can actually kill you its grown quite boring...

[SmokeGuar]

There are lot of mercs on Clan side. Apparently it is impossible to understand that balance has swung heavily on IS side.

[Carl Vickers]

KHAN ATTAKHAN, on 25 July 2017 - 03:21 AM, said:

If what you are saying and If ( I stress if and only if)Russ is saying the weight difference is based on I.S. having less experienced players than clan (that is what you are saying there), then where are the statistics to back that up??, NOT THE BULL**** ONES ADDING MERCS TO THE NUMBERS, we've all seen numbers bloated and falsified by politicians, industry and other people to make a point, everywhere you look in these forums regarding I.S. vs Clans including the stats for FP events things are always biased against the clans because of merc unit numbers, just take a bit of time to read the posts, (again I stress if this is the reason and only if)it is never just the clans mate, the merc units are thrown into the numbers mix to confuse numbers and give false stats to justify anything they want people to believe.
While it's not dishonest to do so the many without real life experience or intelligence will swallow what ever is told them.
Maybe it's time not to cry continually about weight or weapons, JUST GET RID OF THE MERCS AND MAKE US ALL HAPPY

The sooner you stop talking the sooner you will make more sense.

Itachi The Prodigy, on 25 July 2017 - 04:05 AM, said:

clanners need a tonnage increase ASP! , new IS tech + armour perks make IS mechs now very formidable

Stop bringing 4 mech filled with lurms, direct fire will cut up mechs no matter their quirks ect much faster.

Edited by Carl Vickers, 25 July 2017 - 03:50 PM.

[Lily from animove]

would love to use a SNV, TBR, NVA and ADR. but thats 255t and other people would abuse this for some evil min maxing with metachassis. so sadly never gonna happen.

[Palfatreos]

Lily from animove, on 28 July 2017 - 04:04 AM, said:

would love to use a SNV, TBR, NVA and ADR. but thats 255t and other people would abuse this for some evil min maxing with metachassis. so sadly never gonna happen.

what has 255 ton have to do with evil min max meta?
evrything can be min max. skill tree,loadout, FW tonnage.

There a minmax meta dropdeck for 200 ton as there for 300 ton.

[RG Wolf Vickers]

Carl Vickers, on 25 July 2017 - 03:49 PM, said:

The sooner you stop talking the sooner you will make more sense.

[C E Dwyer]

Appogee, on 24 July 2017 - 01:23 PM, said:

To be honest I think the balance is pretty good at the current tonnages.

(I alternate Clan and IS.)

The single biggest factor in winning FP matches continues to be teamwork.

*nods*

Edited by Cathy, 28 July 2017 - 08:15 AM.