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[DaMuchi]

So every now and then some lrm boat will tell the team at the start to keep the locks and then subsequently complain that the team didn't help him get locks. It is almost like these lrm boats has never played anything besides lrms. I'm going to explain to these daft pilots now, to get a lock, you need direct line of sight of the enemy. Therefore, the enemy also would most likely have direct line of sight of the spotter. Now, what happens when an enemy has direct line of sight to you? Exactly! He shoots. Do you have any idea how ridiculous a demand of 'keeping locks' are?

Fyi, I occasionally lrm boat and I spot my own targets. You hit more missiles that way anyway. And of course I fire indirectly as well.

[Prototelis]

Locks plz

[jss78]

Is this still a thing? I don't recall seeing much of this since 2015 or so.

Though, very occasionally I'll take out my HBK-4J (only LRM 'mech I have) and might troll the chat with "LRMS HERE PLZ HOLD LOCK".

[Ukabix]

DaMuchi, on 29 July 2017 - 04:44 AM, said:

Therefore, the enemy also would most likely have direct line of sight of the spotter. Now, what happens when an enemy has direct line of sight to you? Exactly! He shoots. Do you have any idea how ridiculous a demand of 'keeping locks' are?

1) And how one can mitigate that? Let us see...

Hmmm

Hmmm

Hmmm

Moar hmmm

Oh, I know.

How about using your lights to flank the enemy from the side or the rear and remain out of their LOS or an ECM mech for that purpose?

If the spotter spots the enemy and remains in their LOS, he is a bad spotter and soon to be dead spotter.

2) Now seriously - do you really give a damn about LRM boaters and their whims knowing how many of them there are in solo queue behaving like headless chickens?

[Pur]

"hold locks plz" in team chat a beginning of a match = you're gonna be playing with, at most, theoretically, 11 players worth a ****

[Obadiah333]

Might as well change the title to 'stop asking people to help the team'. I hate LRMS. Hated them since day 1. I have one lrm mech because I have to. But this is a team game. If someone asks for help with locks, I'll do what I can. Clicking R helps everyone on your team, not just the LRM guys.

Am I going to run into the enemy team gung ho to get a few locks for my lrm teammates? NO. If i get in a skirmish fight 1 on 1 or or 1 on 2, you can bet to high heaven that I am going to target that mech with R and hopefully my teammates will help me out with some lrm support fire.

You would be amazed at how many people don't use the R button to target mechs when they are fighting. It's a good practice to get into and it helps everyone on your team with enemy locations, their health, etc. If you aren't using the R button in the game to target enemies, you are doing it wrong. If it helps lazy lrm teammates that can't be bothered to get their own locks, so be it. Don't do a disservice to the rest of your team just to spite some lazy lrm guys. Use the R button and help everyone. Be a team player in a team game.

[Tordin]

I think most new players (hopefully and a few vets?) have realized: "oh, I can hold locks myself using, tag, narc??? Awezume!"

[Wildstreak]

While LRM pilots say this the most, there are other reasons to hold lock.

Team Intel.

If you are getting jumped by an enemy unit early, getting a lock helps allies tell what is jumping you and determine if you need assistance and how much.

If your team is searching for the last enemy and you found him, it is actually rude to no lock the enemy so others know not to search in their areas.

Lock also allows allies including non-LRM users to know what loadouts an enemy is running in case you die and they have to face it.

Plus what Ukabix said.

[ocular tb]

I don't disagree. But it doesn't bother me when they say they have LRMs or ask for locks. I target everything anyway so I probably end up helping them regardless. And if the map is Polar, I'm more than happy to help.

[Escef]

I'd like to know why it is that people expect that "hold locks" doesn't automatically come with an unspoken caveat of "don't suicide for them"?

Don't get me wrong, I know there's a LOT of people running LRMs that don't do so well. Firing from the extreme edges of range, not moving with the team, not changing targets or adjusting position when they've already slammed a couple hundred missiles into terrain, no backup weapons, etc.

I tend to run LRMs if I'm in the mood for low-impact fun (the hardest part of running an LRM boat is usually tactical positioning, which you have to worry about regardless of build anyway), or if the solo queue has been a particular lump of moronic crud for a few matches in a row. And when that happens, I run Hilda and just wreck people's faces.

[An Innocent Urbie]

I will only keep my lock on if PGI gives me cbills for every second I get a lock on my enemies

[C E Dwyer]

Locks PLZ !

[Karl Marlow]

Im not so concerned wiht people holding their locks as much as I wish people would lock in the first place. LRM's be damned let the rest of the team know where the enemy is.

[Mystere]

An Innocent Urbie, on 29 July 2017 - 05:32 AM, said:

I will only keep my lock on if PGI gives me cbills for every second I get a lock on my enemies

<smh>

[Novakaine]

THis is the exact reason why game play has gone to hell in puglandia.
People who don't have a single clue about playing as a team.
And the very same one's will whine about pugstomps in FW.
No one expect you to stand there in the open and get whacked for them.
At any rate.......

Edited by Novakaine, 29 July 2017 - 05:53 AM.

[Kanil]

Escef, on 29 July 2017 - 05:26 AM, said:

I'd like to know why it is that people expect that "hold locks" doesn't automatically come with an unspoken caveat of "don't suicide for them"?

I'd like to know why it is that people expect me to not lock onto things unless the LRM boat says "hold locks"...

[Unafraid to Shoot Strangers]

Is this the monthly thread, where we tell the lurming underhive that they are as usefull as a **** on a pope?
I like these threads.

Keep Locks!!1!

[Escef]

Kanil, on 29 July 2017 - 05:57 AM, said:

I'd like to know why it is that people expect me to not lock onto things unless the LRM boat says "hold locks"...

Quite bluntly put, because a lot, and I do mean a LOT, of players don't lock targets AT ALL.

EDIT: And while on the topic, I stopped asking for locks when running an LRM boat a LONG time ago. Because the people that don't lock? Yeah, it doesn't change their behavior. And some passive-aggressive smacktards will go out of their way to NOT lock because they're afraid the IDF support sandblaster will steal their precious kills (little hint to that crowd: learn how to use your pinpoint weapons and it won't be a problem).

Edited by Escef, 29 July 2017 - 06:38 AM.

[Kangarad]

have you tried narc's yet? almost a minute in lock and 700m range on those things.

[Escef]

Kangarad, on 29 July 2017 - 06:37 AM, said:

have you tried narc's yet? almost a minute in lock and 700m range on those things.

NARC and TAG are spotter weapons, not IDF support weapons. Very few IDF mechs are fast enough to make adequate use of both. Ideally, the Griffin could mount 3 LRM packs, and jump snipe with the NARC.