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[Vellron2005]

NinjaCat, on 29 July 2017 - 10:51 PM, said:

Its an atlas, with a **** ton of extra HP, and more ballistics. (Ballistics are good in assaults)
Nothing even competes with it in its weight class.

you get an extra 30% Armor to share.. for 0 tons.

It doesn't even give up anything for it, as it can use the most powerful assault set ups with its ballistics.

There's a reason in the tournament where people 1v1'd a pro (i forget what it was called) the only assault he used was the annihilator.

You just cant justify that kind of free armor.

It's just an IS direwolf.. nothing special.. and don't worry... the second it's out for cbills, it will get nerfed..

[Zergling]

Requiemking, on 30 July 2017 - 12:06 AM, said:

Well, actually, if I'm remembering correctly, the SupaHunchDakkaBear's reign of terror was a result of potato play and a bug with Clan UAC 10 Ghost Heat(ie, it had none).

Requiemking, on 30 July 2017 - 12:14 AM, said:

It's the same as it was back during the Era of the KDK-3. People would sit there and face-tank, get killed, then complain that it was the mech being OP that was the problem.

The Annihilator can run either 4x AC10 for 16.00 DPS with a 20+20 alpha, or 6x AC5 for 18.06 DPS with a 30 alpha.

The KDK-3 could run 4x UAC10 for around 22.4 DPS with a 40+40 alpha, or after UAC10 ghost heat nerfs, 2x UAC10 + 2x UAC5 for around 19.6 DPS with a 30+30 alpha.
And the KDK-3 could do that while moving significantly faster than the Annihilator, with vastly superior acceleration/deceleration and torso twist speed, massive shield arms and higher weapon mounts.

The KDK-3 was wildly overpowered and vastly better than the Annihilator.

Xetelian, on 30 July 2017 - 01:28 AM, said:

The only thing the ANH can really do that the KGC can't is quad UAC10

Quad IS UAC10 is not a good or even viable build on the Annihilator; it is either limited to around 41.3 kph, or requires an XL to hit 48.6 kph.
It only has around 6 tons of ammo, and it will overheat terribly.

Viktor Drake, on 30 July 2017 - 03:43 PM, said:

I also wonder how many of those defending the ANH were also those who moaned, cried and complained about how OP every decent Clan mech that ever came out was.

I don't recall much of that for the Marauder IIC, Linebacker and Huntsman, which are all decent/good mechs.

Edited by Zergling, 31 July 2017 - 12:29 AM.

[Mole]

Everything that kills me is OP. No srsly guiz i mean it

[Grus]

I caught a ANH alone with my viper (5hsml 4hmg) and was surprised how tough that egg is to crack! Multiple full burns to the rear CT and by the color paper doll only doing minor damage to str. Next time I'll just aim for the ST's strip him and leave him. Was taking way too long to try to core him out.

[Gas Guzzler]

Grus, on 31 July 2017 - 08:38 AM, said:

I caught a ANH alone with my viper (5hsml 4hmg) and was surprised how tough that egg is to crack! Multiple full burns to the rear CT and by the color paper doll only doing minor damage to str. Next time I'll just aim for the ST's strip him and leave him. Was taking way too long to try to core him out.

That just means he has way too much rear armor, he should move some to the front.

[AphexTwin11]

NinjaCat, on 29 July 2017 - 10:51 PM, said:

Its an atlas, with a **** ton of extra HP, and more ballistics. (Ballistics are good in assaults)
Nothing even competes with it in its weight class.

you get an extra 30% Armor to share.. for 0 tons.

It doesn't even give up anything for it, as it can use the most powerful assault set ups with its ballistics.

There's a reason in the tournament where people 1v1'd a pro (i forget what it was called) the only assault he used was the annihilator.

You just cant justify that kind of free armor.

I'm cringing HARD at this post. The ANH is definitely not P2W - have you encountered one in battle yet? If you have, you would be cringing at yourself posting this in GD for all to see. It's really not terribly great, but not bad either. I personally think it's right where you would want a newly introduced assault to be - it's hardly OP.

If trolling, 10/10.

[Katrina Steiner]

They are certainly not a pay to win mech. I've wrecked these things in my locust and solo'd a few stragglers. It is so slow I can literally walk in a circle shadowing it eating away at its back.

[Grus]

Gas Guzzler, on 31 July 2017 - 08:41 AM, said:

That just means he has way too much rear armor, he should move some to the front.

the armor was striped quick, is say by the end of the first burn of Laz. So I don't think he had too much. It was trying to chew through the structure that was crazy.

Katrina Steiner, on 31 July 2017 - 08:47 AM, said:

They are certainly not a pay to win mech. I've wrecked these things in my locust and solo'd a few stragglers. It is so slow I can literally walk in a circle shadowing it eating away at its back.

yeah but you were in the smallest and fastest mech in the game, chewing back armor is what they do so no big surprise there.

[Gas Guzzler]

Grus, on 31 July 2017 - 08:49 AM, said:

the armor was striped quick, is say by the end of the first burn of Laz. So I don't think he had too much. It was trying to chew through the structure that was crazy.

Tha Annihilator doesn't have structure quirks so it has the same structure as any other non-quirked 100 tonner.

[Grus]

Gas Guzzler, on 31 July 2017 - 08:52 AM, said:

Tha Annihilator doesn't have structure quirks so it has the same structure as any other non-quirked 100 tonner.

true but that's what I'm getting at, something is off on that mech. It don't take me long at all with 4hmg to chew through str on any other mech so I don't understand why it's like throwing spitwads at the ANH.

[0bsidion]

r4plez, on 30 July 2017 - 03:44 AM, said:

First Annihilator was DOA now its P2W - f#cking MWO forums

You're speaking as though the "forums" have a unified opinion. Clearly you haven't been paying attention. Some of us were figuring it would be essentially the IS DWF: powerful under certain circumstances but severely limited in others. An assessment I still maintain.

[Davegt27]

only Molten Metal got it close but our youtube/streamers are dropping the ball on this one

[Mole]

I'm still giggling and reading the OP because I just can't believe that this thread happened. Annihilators are tough to bring down but they are SUPER easy to outmaneuver even by other assaults. I can only conclude that OP must have tried to face-tank one like a true spud and because his 'mech melted first he is claiming it is P2W.

Edited by Mole, 31 July 2017 - 11:00 AM.

[BumbleBee]

Stupid people crying after trying to out-stare a KDK-3 got all the Kodiaks nerfed into oblivion. It doesn't matter that it can be easily countered, that didn't help the Kodiaks

Looks like Anni is about to be put on the same train as the Kodi

[Mole]

BumbleBee, on 31 July 2017 - 11:36 AM, said:

Stupid people crying after trying to out-stare a KDK-3 got all the Kodiaks nerfed into oblivion. It doesn't matter that it can be easily countered, that didn't help the Kodiaks

Looks like Anni is about to be put on the same train as the Kodi

My poor KDK-2 never did anything wrong...

[Angel of Annihilation]

Mole, on 31 July 2017 - 10:59 AM, said:

I'm still giggling and reading the OP because I just can't believe that this thread happened. Annihilators are tough to bring down but they are SUPER easy to outmaneuver even by other assaults. I can only conclude that OP must have tried to face-tank one like a true spud and because his 'mech melted first he is claiming it is P2W.

But as others pointed out this is the same argument Direwolf players had yet they saw nerf after nerf after nerf. Hell it is the same argument Direwolf players still have and if you want to get right down to it, Direwolves have much worse Hitboxes than the ANH and still don't have any structure or armor quirks.

[invernomuto]

Khobai, on 30 July 2017 - 06:33 AM, said:

DWF needs structure quirks

DWF needs its ECM variant too

thanks

+1.
If Annihilator has armor quirks due to its reduced mobility, why also the Dire does not get similar quirks? Moreover, mobility for assaults was nerfed due to engine decoupling...

[Khobai]

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Looks like Anni is about to be put on the same train as the Kodi

I dont think so. Because I think many people have realized the Kodiak and Annihilator are actually the level all 100 tonners should be at.

We dont need Annihilator nerfs

We need Direwolf buffs. King Crab buffs. etc... So theyre on the same level as the Annihilator

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The KDK-3 was wildly overpowered and vastly better than the Annihilator.

agility aside, the Kodiak-3 was at the level where all 100 tonners shouldve been. it was a bit too agile but that was really the only thing that was too good about it.

100 tonners should be scary as !@#$. the Kodiak helped exposed the fact that most assault mechs just werent performing at the level they needed to be at.

because most assaults dont gain enough firepower/armor/structure to justify the larger hitboxes and speed they give up compared to heavies. speed is life in MWO, if you have to give up speed, you better damn well get something awesome in return.

Edited by Khobai, 31 July 2017 - 02:51 PM.

[Zergling]

Khobai, on 31 July 2017 - 02:41 PM, said:

agility aside, the Kodiak-3 was at the level where all 100 tonners shouldve been. it was a bit too agile but that was really the only thing that was too good about it.

100 tonners should be scary as !@#$. the Kodiak helped exposed the fact that most assault mechs just werent performing at the level they needed to be at.

because most assaults dont gain enough firepower/armor/structure to justify the larger hitboxes and speed they give up compared to heavies. speed is life in MWO, if you have to give up speed, you better damn well get something awesome in return.

Without considering agility, the quad UAC10 KDK-3 had significantly more DPS and alpha than the Annihilator, combined with much higher mounts.
That kind of firepower with high mounts is easily going to be overpowered unless the mech has severe drawbacks, which the KDK-3 didn't get until its mobility was nerfed through the ground.

Hell, the 2x UAC10 + 2x UAC5 build is better firepower than the Annihilator, while still having better top speed; the only reason the mech isn't considered great anymore is that the mobility nerfs, which finally slapped the mech with sufficient drawbacks to offset its great firepower.

invernomuto, on 31 July 2017 - 02:11 PM, said:

If Annihilator has armor quirks due to its reduced mobility, why also the Dire does not get similar quirks? Moreover, mobility for assaults was nerfed due to engine decoupling...

Annihilator quirks are more to compensate for how tall the mech is, and the vulnerability of the snake hood/neck.

While I wouldn't be opposed to some quirks for the Dire Wolf, it doesn't have as terrible a profile as the Annihilator.

Edited by Zergling, 31 July 2017 - 03:27 PM.

[Khobai]

I personally would like to see most of the engine desync nerfs undone and instead ISXL survive side torso blowout

nerfing clan mech agility into the ground was not a good way to balance the game. fixing ISXL is the better way.