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[Electroflameageddon]

I used to pilot Lights exclusively until the rescale. I did alright, nothing spectacular, just a consistent 10x damage to weight ratio. The game play was fast and frenetic as one darted from cover to cover and shot big stompy robots at close range.

That nerf made it difficult to have fun for a potato like me. Some of my lights almost doubled in size and were as tall as mediums.

The only time I pilot lights now is when an event calls for it and it isn't fun. I've been oneshot so many times and leave the game doing 1x to 2x damage to weight. On rare occasions I'm able recapture the fun and stay alive and do some damage.

New Tech has helped. You don't have to be as close, so you stay a smaller target. LFE's are a life saver.

With the exception of the Urbie. That thing is a giant miniature space assault hamster. It helps that no other pilot takes you seriously when you are running with the fatties and you can play vulture all day long. Plus they spread damage pretty well.

[MagicIndex]

Lights are toxic... Nerf'em.

[MagicIndex]

Electroflameageddon, on 06 August 2017 - 06:27 AM, said:

I used to pilot Lights exclusively until the rescale. I did alright, nothing spectacular, just a consistent 10x damage to weight ratio. The game play was fast and frenetic as one darted from cover to cover and shot big stompy robots at close range.

That nerf made it difficult to have fun for a potato like me. Some of my lights almost doubled in size and were as tall as mediums.

The only time I pilot lights now is when an event calls for it and it isn't fun. I've been oneshot so many times and leave the game doing 1x to 2x damage to weight. On rare occasions I'm able recapture the fun and stay alive and do some damage.

New Tech has helped. You don't have to be as close, so you stay a smaller target. LFE's are a life saver.

With the exception of the Urbie. That thing is a giant miniature space assault hamster. It helps that no other pilot takes you seriously when you are running with the fatties and you can play vulture all day long. Plus they spread damage pretty well.

Don't forget URB has an armor-quirks like Annie. It means that before nerfing Annie's armor-quirks must be nerfed Urbie at first place.

[Fox With A Shotgun]

HGAK47, on 06 August 2017 - 06:23 AM, said:

If you cant hit a light, stop being a potato. I have no problem putting at least some damage on light mechs and my Pirates Bane gets wiped out by enemy fire often so I dont know where this fantasy of "waa light mechs too hard to hit waaa" comes from.

And if he still can't hit a light, there are other anti-light solutions out there. The one biggest hard counter to lights being Streak launchers.

Spheroids don't have the excuse of not having big launchers any more. SSRM4/6 is available for both IS and Clan.

[MagicIndex]

Fox With A Shotgun, on 06 August 2017 - 06:54 AM, said:

And if he still can't hit a light, there are other anti-light solutions out there. The one biggest hard counter to lights being Streak launchers.

Spheroids don't have the excuse of not having big launchers any more. SSRM4/6 is available for both IS and Clan.

You mean this? WVR-7D GRF-1N

Or this... HMN-P VPR-C

Edited by MagicIndex, 06 August 2017 - 07:30 AM.

[Electroflameageddon]

Fox With A Shotgun, on 06 August 2017 - 06:54 AM, said:

And if he still can't hit a light, there are other anti-light solutions out there. The one biggest hard counter to lights being Streak launchers.

Spheroids don't have the excuse of not having big launchers any more. SSRM4/6 is available for both IS and Clan.

Streaks are the bane of lights. Almost guaranteed insta-kill. The only good thing about the current state of affairs is that the light queue is rarely above 15% so it is rare you'll run into anyone running streaks if you're feeling masochistic and run a light.

Edited by Electroflameageddon, 06 August 2017 - 07:57 AM.

[Fox With A Shotgun]

MagicIndex, on 06 August 2017 - 07:08 AM, said:

You mean this? WVR-7D

Something like that. But a WVR actually has enough agility to go after lights.

What I was thinking of was something like KGC-000. If a KGC like this can back up against a wall, it can fend off lights without too much trouble. AC20s tend to amputate limbs off lights, and streaks catch the lighter (and faster) ones.

[MagicIndex]

Fox With A Shotgun, on 06 August 2017 - 07:15 AM, said:

Something like that. But a WVR actually has enough agility to go after lights.

What I was thinking of was something like KGC-000. If a KGC like this can back up against a wall, it can fend off lights without too much trouble. AC20s tend to amputate limbs off lights, and streaks catch the lighter (and faster) ones.

Problem is that... we don't have a role combat. Like I mention Wolverine-7D, Nuntsman-P or Viper-C are the best anti-Lights. But that "on paper"... IRL usually my EXE + some Hunch was those who sent on such role as "Lights Destroyers"... imagine to down one 20 tonn Locust or 30 tonn Raven was sent 150 tonns of fire power. GG that's a nice balance kek.

Edited by MagicIndex, 06 August 2017 - 07:35 AM.

[MagicIndex]

Fox With A Shotgun, on 06 August 2017 - 07:15 AM, said:

Something like that. But a WVR actually has enough agility to go after lights.

What I was thinking of was something like KGC-000. If a KGC like this can back up against a wall, it can fend off lights without too much trouble. AC20s tend to amputate limbs off lights, and streaks catch the lighter (and faster) ones.

More than 2x SSRM's6 are better to chop some lights drum sticks than AC20, and the ML's are to long burn time, replace it with Flamers, make Light to pretend being a "Hot-Dog". Plus get a few HMG's or LMG's, or RAC2-5 as ballistic chainsaw. Job done. Light TTK will fall dramaticly.

Another exsample of an Light-Destroyers: SCR-PRIME or SCR-PRIME(HOT CQB)

Edited by MagicIndex, 06 August 2017 - 07:57 AM.

[FupDup]

MagicIndex, on 06 August 2017 - 07:38 AM, said:

Another exsample of an Light-Destroyers: SCR-PRIME

You could easily swap the 2x SSRM6 with 3x SSRM4 for faster cooldown at the same total salvo size of 12 missiles. Also you're gonna want to somehow get a Probe on that thing, and the leg armor seems a little thin...

Edited by FupDup, 06 August 2017 - 07:53 AM.

[MagicIndex]

Electroflameageddon, on 06 August 2017 - 07:14 AM, said:

Streaks are the bane of lights. Almost guaranteed install. The only good thing about the current state of affairs is that the light queue is rarely above 15% so it is rare you'll run into anyone running streaks if you're feeling masochistic and run a light.

I think I need to give my Streak-Crow a ride... let's make a queue down to 1%.

FupDup, on 06 August 2017 - 07:53 AM, said:

You could easily swap the 2x SSRM6 with 3x SSRM4 for faster cooldown at the same total salvo size of 12 missiles. Also you're gonna want to somehow get a Probe on that thing, and the leg armor seems a little thin...

Not bad idea of 3xSSRM4 but... with full open skill tree, there will be not much diff, and with SSRM6 legs went-off faster.
There is another but hot design of Light-Destroyer.

With probe SCR-PRIME

Edited by MagicIndex, 06 August 2017 - 08:00 AM.

[Electroflameageddon]

MagicIndex, on 06 August 2017 - 07:54 AM, said:

I think I need to give my Streak-Crow a ride... let's make a queue down to 1%.


There is another but hot design of Light-Destroyer.

With probe SCR-PRIME

I've actually seen it that low.

[MagicIndex]

Electroflameageddon, on 06 August 2017 - 08:01 AM, said:

I've actually seen it that low.

Actually Wolverine and Hunstman more versatile against lights... as tested. If you use them on purpouse together, Alpha-Lance just disappears in that direction where those two are located and never'll be seen again... in one piece of cause.
Using a SCR for that task is just a waste of a good medium brawler.

Edited by MagicIndex, 06 August 2017 - 08:07 AM.

[Pxranger]

CancersCincar, on 05 August 2017 - 08:57 PM, said:

I'd play light mechs, or mechs geared for scouting... if the game supported such a thing. Since MWO does not, there's no point to doing that. As you said, most objective modes are more kill-dependent than objective dependent.

Clear something up for me here, do you mean the game doesn't reward you enough for scouting, or you don't feel you are contributing to the team effort when you scout? Or do the fact the most PUG groups don't appreciate the effort?

I certainly feel as if I am helping the team when I can take a "scout" light (max sensor skill perks, active probe, UAV's and a TAG or NARC) I am helping the team. I tend to take a PPC on Scout mechs so that when the time comes I can contribute to damaging the enemy in a meaningful way. I obviously don't rack up 4 digit damage totals, but keeping the enemies location locked down for the team is not a trivial task. Even if it's not really recognized by the game as such. Good teams appreciate good scouts. My K/D ratio sucks. but I have a positive win/loss record. I play a lot of scouts, It's fun, even if the game doesn't give me attaboys for it.

[Bigbacon]

Pxranger, on 06 August 2017 - 08:18 AM, said:

Clear something up for me here, do you mean the game doesn't reward you enough for scouting, or you don't feel you are contributing to the team effort when you scout? Or do the fact the most PUG groups don't appreciate the effort?

I certainly feel as if I am helping the team when I can take a "scout" light (max sensor skill perks, active probe, UAV's and a TAG or NARC) I am helping the team. I tend to take a PPC on Scout mechs so that when the time comes I can contribute to damaging the enemy in a meaningful way. I obviously don't rack up 4 digit damage totals, but keeping the enemies location locked down for the team is not a trivial task. Even if it's not really recognized by the game as such. Good teams appreciate good scouts. My K/D ratio sucks. but I have a positive win/loss record. I play a lot of scouts, It's fun, even if the game doesn't give me attaboys for it.

kind of all 3. You aren't really rewarded well for just scouting, most people don't really care if you try to just scout, and you aren't really contributing all that much when it doesn't really mean much that you can see targets on the map all the time.

[Pxranger]

Bigbacon, on 06 August 2017 - 08:37 AM, said:

kind of all 3. You aren't really rewarded well for just scouting, most people don't really care if you try to just scout, and you aren't really contributing all that much when it doesn't really mean much that you can see targets on the map all the time.

Well, you can always be the "Squirrel", it's always entertaining watching people try to catch a mech that runs at 160 kph. if nothing else fails, drawing off a third of the enemy team is very useful!

[Atomic Hamster]

Pxranger, on 06 August 2017 - 08:18 AM, said:

Clear something up for me here, do you mean the game doesn't reward you enough for scouting, or you don't feel you are contributing to the team effort when you scout? Or do the fact the most PUG groups don't appreciate the effort?

I certainly feel as if I am helping the team when I can take a "scout" light (max sensor skill perks, active probe, UAV's and a TAG or NARC) I am helping the team. I tend to take a PPC on Scout mechs so that when the time comes I can contribute to damaging the enemy in a meaningful way. I obviously don't rack up 4 digit damage totals, but keeping the enemies location locked down for the team is not a trivial task. Even if it's not really recognized by the game as such. Good teams appreciate good scouts. My K/D ratio sucks. but I have a positive win/loss record. I play a lot of scouts, It's fun, even if the game doesn't give me attaboys for it.

Personally find it hugely useful if a scout pops a UAV to reveal half the enemy team (for positioning purposes - I don't do LURMS) - much more helpful than if someone just shoots at an unseen enemy without locking or communicating what they're shooting at (which seems to happen a lot). This is mainly because I still have difficulty guessing where the enemy is without any red doritos - and I'm pretty sure that would also apply to a lot of other low tier players.

Edited by Atomic Hamster, 06 August 2017 - 09:48 AM.

[Brain Cancer]

Dr Hobo, on 06 August 2017 - 02:31 AM, said:

I've noticed it a few times with my commando. Especially in wooded maps. I can sit and park in the woods by the cliffs and the e tire enemy team have walked right by me.

If it doesn't have a dorito it doesn't exist to most pugs.

This. Not having sensors point out the enemy means most newbies are confused at best when you're non-aggressive and have no dorito trigger.

[Dao Feng]

The6thMessenger, on 06 August 2017 - 02:24 AM, said:

The only ACH that could best me consistently is that of War_glaivez, but other than him I'm okay with other ACHs.

War_glaivez is a frakin horror, his current KDR is 28, frak me 28 over 150+ matches. In the few matches I've spectated in his mech, he is a frakin surgeon who knows the maps and sniper spots so well.

When I'm up against him, I go for him immediately and consider it a win if I can deny him any kills.

I think one of the reasons why he is doing particularly well since the light nerf is fewer lights around to hunt down his ACH

Edited by Dao Feng, 06 August 2017 - 10:24 AM.

[Dak Rikarus]

ITT:

OP completely ignores actual video evidence of his incompetence.