214 replies to this topic

[Zergling]

Ed Steele, on 15 August 2017 - 05:29 PM, said:

so being tier 1 does not necessarily mean that a Mechwarrior is good.

I didn't say it does. I know very well that there are plenty of sub-par Tier 1 players.
My point was entirely about the difference in play between low and high tiers, and what works at low tiers often doesn't work at high tiers.

We've gone entirely off topic though; we were discussing IS vs Clan UAC10.

[BTGbullseye]

Zergling, on 15 August 2017 - 05:53 PM, said:

We've gone entirely off topic though; we were discussing IS vs Clan UAC10.

That in itself is kinda off topic too, as this is the thread for the patch notes... lol

[Marius Evander]

Gas Guzzler, on 15 August 2017 - 12:52 PM, said:

Try again. "One fewer shell"

The shells explanation wasn't me.......

Gas Guzzler, on 15 August 2017 - 02:08 PM, said:

Clan mechs are still best, fyi.

Nope clans just have better units in FP atm top end meta mechs are pretty balanced h8 the playa not the game.

Gas Guzzler, on 15 August 2017 - 02:45 PM, said:

Where are the 80 damage alpha gauss vomit IS mechs?
Ton for ton, Clan mechs are definitely better. I know.. I use them over 80% of the time.

Where are the Super Tanky Clan mechs with +30 armor quirks ?

[Zarock]

Werent there early adopter awards for the heros? Because I was quite sure that I bought early enough but I didnt get any.. :7

[Y E O N N E]

Zarock, on 15 August 2017 - 08:33 PM, said:

Werent there early adopter awards for the heros? Because I was quite sure that I bought early enough but I didnt get any.. :7

No, which is why the whole pre-order thing for them was silly.

[NocturnalBeast]

Zarock, on 15 August 2017 - 08:33 PM, said:

Werent there early adopter awards for the heros? Because I was quite sure that I bought early enough but I didnt get any.. :7

I don't recall there ever being early adopter awards for hero Mechs, although I have not bought any of the new ones.

[Gas Guzzler]

Ed Steele, on 15 August 2017 - 05:17 PM, said:

Your tier level just shows that you have stuck with the same account for a long time

I was fully maxed out Tier 1 as soon as PSR dropped, and there are many players better than me.

[Gas Guzzler]

W E N D I G O, on 15 August 2017 - 10:09 PM, said:

And heat down from 4 to 3 is a 25% decrease.

Man, the lengths you people go to keep the opposition at a disadvantage. You are pathetic.

Uhh Clan mechs have the advantage in case you weren't aware. Both at comp level and in quick play, so your statement is invalid.

Cadoazreal, on 15 August 2017 - 07:29 PM, said:

Nope clans just have better units in FP atm top end meta mechs are pretty balanced h8 the playa not the game.

No, they really aren't. I play both and Clan mechs are much easier to carry with. You're acting like I am getting stomped on by Clan teams but A) I don't play Faction Play and B ) I spend most of the time trying to carry matches in quick play, using mostly Clan mechs, because its much easier to do so.

Cadoazreal, on 15 August 2017 - 07:29 PM, said:

Where are the Super Tanky Clan mechs with +30 armor quirks ?

Since when are +30 armor quirk mechs automatically meta/top tier? We have had mechs with that much armor before and they have been garbage.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 15 August 2017 - 10:24 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

W E N D I G O, on 15 August 2017 - 10:30 PM, said:

So you can't juggle the numbers anymore to make it look like you would have an actually VALID point and turn to generalization to... well, to farm likes from the supporters of your unproven thesis? Your opinion is the only thing being invalid here. Now please squirm on, makes my day to watch it.

PS: Oh and "carry harder" maybe? Lmao.

I have already shown the UAC10 numbers showing that the cUAC10 is clearly superior.

4 slots vs 7
10 tons vs 13
540m vs 450m
3 heat vs 4 heat

All for 1 less shot per burst. There is a reason players that actually know what they are talking about recognize the cUAC10 is the superior weapon. I can't help that you are just plugging your ears and saying "no no no".

You can check my stats to see you really have no standing here, I carry hard enough, you are the one that could use some help.

[Zergling]

Wendigo, cut it out with the disruptive trolling.

Gas Guzzler is correct; the IS UAC10 is inferior to the Clan version, both when directly compared and for actual builds.
One fewer shell per burst is an advantage, but it isn't enough of an advantage to compensate for all the disadvantages the IS version has over the Clan.

Edited by Zergling, 16 August 2017 - 02:39 AM.

[Widowmaker1981]

Ed Steele, on 14 August 2017 - 10:35 AM, said:

Remember that IS UACs do the same amount of damage as Clan UACs with fewer "shells" and are therefore better for pinpoint damage while moving than Clan ACs.

Please remember that the C-UAC10 is 3 tons lighter and 3 slots smaller than the IS-UAC10, while IS Endo steel is 7 more slots than the clan version, and IS DHS are 3 slots vs C-DHS being 2 slots... all of which adds up to the fact that IS UAC10 builds have drastically fewer DHS than the clan version.

[Kompleks Ognevoi Podderzhki 320]

Zergling, on 15 August 2017 - 03:29 PM, said:

That Mauler only has -10% heat gen for the lasers, not the UAC10s. It's also running an XL.

And Clans can do the same thing even better.

Here's a more comparable Mauler build, that is using a LFE.


Accounting for quirks, and assuming the UAC10s on neither mech are double-tapping:

The Mauler 2P has 50 damage alpha, 360 meter effective range, 34.51% heat efficiency, 15.95 maximum DPS, 5.50 sustained DPS.
The Mad Cat II Deathstrike has 62 damage alpha, 400 meter effective range, 42.67% heat efficiency, 16.40 maximum DPS, 7.00 sustained DPS.

They also have same mobility stats, but the Deathstrike is nearly 11 kph faster.

Wow u find mech wich cost 40 $ All claners have him ? Or maybe we have Immortal Anihilator ? Do u use ur brain to think a little ? 250 HP in CT with nice fire power with deck 265t... Components have more HP, duration less. ER LL have more distance. ER PPC have 1.900 speed + 20% quirk to speed. DHS more better Well, based on the fact that you folded it wrong - you do not have this fur. Therefore, what can you argue with me about if you did not go on it? Dude I have many
[color=#000000]experience playing with the powerful units at this 4 years. I playing at IS and playing for clans... I trying all mechs in this game on 33 accounts before u appeared in this game. [/color]

And now as always I playing only for win. And now take ur clan deck, go to FP and try to win IREX or Or summary groups of the best players of such units as old Kcom, iREX, 420, MJ12. Where many left the units for more than this do not need. Well, or you can meet them in a new mode in units as EON and etc... We will continue our conversation when you are accepted into the unit of the first three leaderboards. And until then, gain experience


[color=#000000]experience[/color]

[NocturnalBeast]

Gas Guzzler, on 15 August 2017 - 10:06 PM, said:

I was fully maxed out Tier 1 as soon as PSR dropped, and there are many players better than me.

Well aren't you a Wunderkind! Seriously, though, I said that some progress faster than others. Do not try to impress me with epeen, I am not trying to argue about who is good and who isn't, I am just trying to make people realize that the game is not intended to be balanced by making every weapon equal and if it was it would be awfully boring.

[Gas Guzzler]

Ed Steele, on 16 August 2017 - 07:58 AM, said:

Well aren't you a Wunderkind! Seriously, though, I said that some progress faster than others. Do not try to impress me with epeen, I am not trying to argue about who is good and who isn't, I am just trying to make people realize that the game is not intended to be balanced by making every weapon equal and if it was it would be awfully boring.

Its not about epeen I was just disproving the whole "just a measure of how long you have been playing". I'm not really proud of that at all, Tier 1 is a broad status.

[Y E O N N E]

Ed Steele, on 16 August 2017 - 07:58 AM, said:

Well aren't you a Wunderkind! Seriously, though, I said that some progress faster than others. Do not try to impress me with epeen, I am not trying to argue about who is good and who isn't, I am just trying to make people realize that the game is not intended to be balanced by making every weapon equal and if it was it would be awfully boring.

It is balanced around making build packages equitable, i.e. 2x UAC/5 +2x PPC was roughly equitable to 1x cUAC/10 + 3x cUAC/5. With the exception of bad 'Mechs with too few hardpoints, though, there is nothing that you can do with the isUAC/10 that you can't do better using UAC/5 and something else. It is under-performing for its investment even within its own tech tree, nevermind how it fares against the Clans.

[Gas Guzzler]

W E N D I G O, on 16 August 2017 - 03:42 AM, said:

How about you stop your backseat moderation attempts, especially when completely inappropriate. You have a problem with my posts? Go ahead, there is a report function you can use. Because you have no authority here dude, none. And your name-calling is the only trolling here, as well as Guzzler's flamebaiting. What have personal stats have to do with the topic? Only reason was bait to post this.

They didn't have anything to do with the topic, until others started saying that I was just losing to good Clan teams in FP (false) and you suggested I wasn't carrying hard enough.

Yeonne Greene, on 16 August 2017 - 08:47 AM, said:

It is balanced around making build packages equitable, i.e. 2x UAC/5 +2x PPC was roughly equitable to 1x cUAC/10 + 3x cUAC/5. With the exception of bad 'Mechs with too few hardpoints, though, there is nothing that you can do with the isUAC/10 that you can't do better using UAC/5 and something else. It is under-performing for its investment even within its own tech tree, nevermind how it fares against the Clans.

Truth.

I only brought up the Clan version because it is so obviously at a disadvantage there as well, but apparently not to some.

[Jay Leon Hart]

W E N D I G O, on 15 August 2017 - 01:22 PM, said:

Mmmh, isn't it's projectile count 50% lower? Well I'd take the laughable 33% higher heat, which is 1 point, any time for a lower projectile count. Wait, suddenly it all makes sense, doesn't it?

Jay Leon Hart, on 15 August 2017 - 01:30 PM, said:

OK, so what about the weight, slot and range differences then?

W E N D I G O, on 15 August 2017 - 10:09 PM, said:

And heat down from 4 to 3 is a 25% decrease.

Man, the lengths you people go to keep the opposition at a disadvantage. You are pathetic.

Still waiting on that explanation on the weight, size and range disparities.

Don't worry, I can wait.

[Jay Leon Hart]

W E N D I G O, on 16 August 2017 - 09:10 AM, said:

How about you don't try to waste my time and instead ask Chris Lowrey? That guy gets paid to deal with those things and even answers community questions on Twitter, on Twitch, at MechCon - choose your pick. Don't see any reason to have a real and lenghty discussion while my opinion was already being discarded just because I didn't support wannabe forum celebrities, me being called a disruptive troll for just stating my opinion and finally being pointed out as a player not fostering and padding his stats enough with farming seals in group play to make even a valid point.

So, don't worry, you will wait. Meanwhile your lot can stare in awe and wonder at my signature, perhaps understanding it at some point.

Ah, you have no idea, just excuses. Good to know.

[NocturnalBeast]

Yeonne Greene, on 16 August 2017 - 08:47 AM, said:

It is balanced around making build packages equitable, i.e. 2x UAC/5 +2x PPC was roughly equitable to 1x cUAC/10 + 3x cUAC/5. With the exception of bad 'Mechs with too few hardpoints, though, there is nothing that you can do with the isUAC/10 that you can't do better using UAC/5 and something else. It is under-performing for its investment even within its own tech tree, nevermind how it fares against the Clans.

Yes, but if you get over the fact that the IS UAC/10 is not supposed to be as good as a Clan UAC/10, then you can focus on making a different build that can fulfill a similar roll with different weapons (RACs+ UAC/2s maybe? Dual UAC/5s?).

Gas Guzzler, on 16 August 2017 - 08:44 AM, said:

Its not about epeen I was just disproving the whole "just a measure of how long you have been playing". I'm not really proud of that at all, Tier 1 is a broad status.

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Yes, it is more impressive if you top a leaderboard, or can consistently pull 1000+dmg games in high-tier group queue.

[Gas Guzzler]

Ed Steele, on 16 August 2017 - 10:10 AM, said:

Yes, but if you get over the fact that the IS UAC/10 is not supposed to be as good as a Clan UAC/10, then you can focus on making a different build that can fulfill a similar roll with different weapons (RACs+ UAC/2s maybe? Dual UAC/5s?).

What's wrong with wanting the UAC10 to be viable? We already said that is what we do... use UAC5s instead of UAC10s or completely different weapon systems. You might as well use laser vomit instead of UAC10s for the same role.

Also not sure why it is supposed to be less effective than the Clan UAC10, the game is supposed to be balanced. They don't have to be functionally identical, and they aren't (no one is asking them to be), but there is no reason for one to be more gimped than the other.