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[Spheroid]

@DJPush: Single player experience, no friends involved.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Smites, on 27 August 2017 - 01:03 PM, said:

Lets not have this thread turn get locked because a moderator incited a riot and just say, PGI is still PGI.

And I will not pre-order from PGI.

Just like I won't pre-order from Bethesda, Obsidian, Activision, and ESPECIALLY not EA or Ubisoft.

Don't pre-order anything unless its from a trusted and reliable company and game series.

What did Bethesdia and Obsidian do?

Like I've blacklisted 1 company entirely, and that's Gearbox over Aliens:Colonial Marines, everyone else has been relatively meh, otherwise.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Spheroid, on 27 August 2017 - 03:05 PM, said:

@DJPush: Single player experience, no friends involved.

Just like HBS BattleTech! Hey, wait...

[Appogee]

Spheroid, on 27 August 2017 - 12:16 PM, said:

Please don't reward bad behavior.

^ This. I've loved Mechwarrior for 30 years. But I am by no means certain that I will be spending any more money with PGI given their attitude and performance in developing MWO.

BTW, I believe you will all be completely shocked by the price PGI is going to be asking for MW5.

Edited by Appogee, 27 August 2017 - 03:42 PM.

[Appogee]

CancersCincar, on 27 August 2017 - 02:44 PM, said:

Hopefully them working with the Unreal engine in turn makes a lot of things work for MW5, as I believe a lot of the technical issues MWO has are related to Cry Engine (for example, LBX ammo swapping).

The important issues with MWO have had almost nothing to do with CryEngine. They are instead the result of PGI's overarching management attitude towards game development and customer engagement, and lack of experience/imagination in game design.

Edited by Appogee, 27 August 2017 - 03:46 PM.

[Nameless King]

Spheroid, on 27 August 2017 - 12:16 PM, said:

Please don't reward bad behavior. MWO is no longer the sole Battletech product. Give instead to turned based game by Harebrained.

So far Harebrained is a let down.

[Carl Vickers]

Lol MWO is MW5's founders package, we have all paid in already.

[The Lighthouse]

DjPush, on 27 August 2017 - 12:03 PM, said:

Hey, PGI... Are you guys going to release and MW5 founders packages?

Imperius, on 27 August 2017 - 12:09 PM, said:

Already asked Russ to make it happen on twitter

Jackofallpots, on 27 August 2017 - 12:20 PM, said:

What could they add to a founders pack? A seasons pass of all the dlc?

N0ni, on 27 August 2017 - 12:27 PM, said:

Would be great to have system like the MWO Founders.

Vet Founder: Early Access and an appreciation item (cockpit or special camo).

Elite Founder: Early Access and small starting C-Bill bonus (+ Vet reward)

Legendary Founder: Early Access, special starting mech (or pilot/base/whatever + previous tier rewards)


Would be nice to also have a special item/camo/etc in MWO for linking your account for having Founders on both games (i know, it's a stretch).

God please help us.

You have to be using super crazy strong drug if you truly believe MW5 would be any good in the first place. I have repeatedly said that I would be utterly surprised if MW5 metacritic score goes over 70.

[The6thMessenger]

Prosperity Park, on 27 August 2017 - 12:24 PM, said:

What kind of drugs are you on? Hairbrained Schemes is NOT making a Mechwarrior game.

I am flabbergasted by the ignorance of people who think all BattleTech games are interchangeable.

I don't know. He said "battletech product", not that HBS' BattleTech is MechWarrior.

Although it may be more accurate to say that MWO is not BattleTech, or at least that's what I heard from this community.

[The Lighthouse]

Appogee, on 27 August 2017 - 03:38 PM, said:

The important issues with MWO have had very little to do with CryEngine. They are actually the result of PGI's overarching management direction and game design competency.

Actually CryEngine is very problematic for the development. Mainly UI issues that I believe certain things just cannot be done because of the engine issue. But then, I see MW:LL and wonder why so many things in MWO are considered impossible/not worth to implement.

But yeah, CryEngine is the least concern for this game. Switching from CryEngine to Unreal 4 does not means the game will be great.

[Spr1ggan]

Why would they do founders packs for MW5 lol?

It's gonna be a full retail priced game and if they go the way other devs do. Then expect a digital deluxe or collectors edition as well.

It's already been in development for a while as well, it's not like asking people to purrhase founders packs to get it off the ground. And i'd rather devs wouldn't go the way of Daylight Robbery Citizen by constantly asking for funding and constantly pushing release back.

Edited by Spr1ggan, 27 August 2017 - 06:28 PM.

[N0ni]

The Lighthouse, on 27 August 2017 - 03:44 PM, said:

You have to be using super crazy strong drug if you truly believe MW5 would be any good in the first place. I have repeatedly said that I would be utterly surprised if MW5 metacritic score goes over 70.

And you sir must be pumped full with jazz cabbage to think we said in our posts that you quoted, that MW5 will be any good. Not judging your personal use of the devil's lettuce / sticky of the icky, you do you.

[Appogee]

My low expectations for MW5 are entirely based on my 5 years of experience of being a PGI customer at a quite high level of expenditure.

What have I actually observed during those 5 years of MWO development...?

• Pervasive 'mimimal viable product' mentality and lack of concern for quality control.
  
• Consistent over-commitment and under-delivery of key development features (in the case of CW, actual deliberate deception about development progress and intent).
  
• Little leverage of BT lore that could have made the game much deeper.
  
• Complicated/unintuitive new balancing mechanics (eg ghost heat) instead of simpler solutions.
  
• Copy/pasting cliched game ideas (eg. loot crate/roulette wheel/keys), without even the minimal modification (eg. battle salvage/technicians) that would make them appropriate to the game.
  
• Long periods of imbalance/issues followed by wild balancing over-corrections.
  
• Ignoring and then isolating themselves from customer feedback, other than a small echo chamber of paid cheerleaders.
  
• Significant map and mode design issues that have never been addressed (eg. Escort AI, FP maps).
  
• Ignoring significant underlying quality of life features requested by customers (eg. skill tree saving, loadout saving) in favour of trivial things that can be sold (eg bolt-ons).
  
• Ongoing efforts to increase grind and reduce the value provided to customers in virtual currency, early adopter packs, leaderboard comps.

I desperately want MWO - and MW5 - to be all that they can be. For PGI to be a wildly successful game developer. For all of us to be happy, high-spending customers... introducing new generations of players to the franchise we love.

For that to happen, PGI would need to rethink it's approach to game development.

Edited by Appogee, 28 August 2017 - 09:45 AM.

[MischiefSC]

I was going to say "**** you in the ear for even suggesting this DJPush"....

Then I realized that if it looks decent I'll probably get it.

Most of what I've been upset at PGI over is in the past or, I the case of FW, the product of long past decisions.

I like the skill tree, I love the Roughneck, I lime the concepts of Incursion just we as players suck too much to make it useful, I'm willing to look at MW5 with an open mind.

If it's good I'll founders it. I've spent all my life being smart with my money. At this point I went long on Apple, short on Softbank at the right time and can throw a little round.

Damn it. Yeah, if it looks good I'll throw money at MW5. Especially since I'll likely get and play 1,000 hours in it before Star Citizen is even in a state worth installing.

[MechaBattler]

Seems like a good chance to do cross promotion with MWO and MW5. There probably won't be a ton of people not familiar with Battletech/Mechwarrior. But if they advertise for MW5, it'll be incidental advertising for MWO if they include goodies for it.

[Smites]

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 27 August 2017 - 03:15 PM, said:

What did Bethesdia and Obsidian do?

Like I've blacklisted 1 company entirely, and that's Gearbox over Aliens:Colonial Marines, everyone else has been relatively meh, otherwise.

If even Bethesda and Obsidian can't get a pre-order out of me then...

Gearbox has done far worse than Aliens:Colonial Marines. That's just the one that got the most attention!

The Lighthouse, on 27 August 2017 - 03:44 PM, said:

God please help us.

You have to be using super crazy strong drug if you truly believe MW5 would be any good in the first place. I have repeatedly said that I would be utterly surprised if MW5 metacritic score goes over 70.

I don't care much about the metacritic score. I care about the game actually being delivered in a timely manner with all of its promised features, few if any bugs, and good modding capability.

[SQW]

King Alen, on 27 August 2017 - 03:42 PM, said:

So far Harebrained is a let down.

If you think what HBS is doing is a let down, you should be scrubbing MWO off your hard drive with a magnet.

[Nameless King]

SQW, on 27 August 2017 - 05:42 PM, said:

If you think what HBS is doing is a let down, you should be scrubbing MWO off your hard drive with a magnet.

Why I have played thousands of hours of MWO all fun.

[Black Ivan]

Defintily no. The way PGI screwed Founders in MWO shows how they will treat them in MW:5

The way PGI is "developing" MWO also leads to me to a definity lack of fat into their abilities fo MW:5.

I recommend everybody not to invest into MW5

[Oberost]

Imperius, on 27 August 2017 - 12:27 PM, said:

Nope, I stay here facepalming when I see people eager to throw money at PGI.

And I'll stay here too when PGI fails to deliver a good MW5 game and instead gives you another minimum viable product... because PGI.

Some of you have been here for 5 years and still belive in PGI...