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[Andi Nagasia]

This Topic is to Discuss what would and could happen is IS XL got ST Survivability,

=IS-XL to C-XL=
Assuming IS-XL would have the same or Similar penalties as C-XL,

=STD to LFE to XL
Assume LFE would be Viably Balance between STD and XL Engines,

What do you feel would happen, How would things change,
Would balance get Better? Do you think it will get Worse? Not change much?

Thoughts, Comments, Concerns?
Thanks

Edited by Andi Nagasia, 05 October 2017 - 11:25 AM.

[DAYLEET]

How good of a change? If XL got LFE survivability+Drawback and LFE had its drawback removed, both for clan and is, then i think it would make the game better as a whole. Maybe remove Clan xl drawback and then they are still powerhouse but at least IS XL isnt so scary anymore.

[Athom83]

I don't think it really should survive ST loss because of the TT rule of losing 3 engine critslots means death.

If they do make it survive ST loss, then LFE will rarely be used.

[Jay Leon Hart]

1. Many Clan tears.
2. Removal or reduction of many IS LT/CT/RT armour/structure quirks.
3. Higher heat & movement penalty for ST loss on IS XL compared to Clan XL or LFE.
4. Major or minor buffs to STD.
5. Minor or zero buffs to LFE.
6. Minor or zero buffs to Clan XL.
7. More Clan tears.

[Bud Crue]

I only KNOW one thing that would happen...I’d absolutely lose my s*** over the fact that I have spent about 150 million cbills on LFEs for no real reason. That I know for certain.

How it would affect balance though? Well, I think it would help. It would not address the more voluminous DHS of the IS, the fact that most IS mechs have less available hard points and less optimal hard points. It would not address heavier weapons of the IS nor the fact that they too are often more voluminous than their clan counter parts, but yeah I think it would help.

[FupDup]

I'd rather try out something like IS XL engines increasing your side torso structure and armor levels to match the center torso (before quirks are considered). That way it's not just a direct copy of the Clan XL that takes up more slots.

Luffies and STDs will need their own corresponding adjustments. Clan XL can be safely left as the baseline.

Edited by FupDup, 05 October 2017 - 11:18 AM.

[Bigbacon]

LFE would just go away.

[Y E O N N E]

They'd still need durability/agility advantages because Clan damage is dramatically higher and IS beed to be able to mitigate it since they can't match it.

IS are capped on their firepower right now, the XL hardly factors into it at the moment. I mean, XL would get me about 8 more points of damage out of a Gauss-Vomit Mauler 2P, but I still can't cool it and that is still 68 vs. 80-94.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Bigbacon, on 05 October 2017 - 11:17 AM, said:

LFE would just go away.

Nah, just as STDs are mostly relegated to LB20X & HGauss builds, LFE would mostly be for AC20 & UAC20 builds.

But yes, they would go away... mostly.

[Andi Nagasia]

DAYLEET, on 05 October 2017 - 11:13 AM, said:

How good of a change? If XL got LFE survivability+Drawback and LFE had its drawback removed, both for clan and is, then i think it would make the game better as a whole. Maybe remove Clan xl drawback and then they are still powerhouse but at least IS XL isnt so scary anymore.

assuming IS-XL got C-XL like Penalties,

Bigbacon, on 05 October 2017 - 11:17 AM, said:

LFE would just go away.

perhaps if LFE was balanced to STD and XL Engines?

[Stinger554]

DAYLEET, on 05 October 2017 - 11:13 AM, said:

Maybe remove Clan xl drawback and then they are still powerhouse but at least IS XL isnt so scary anymore.

I agreed with everything you said except the quoted part I don't think removing Clan XL ST loss penalties would be a good thing.

[Roadbuster]

Andi Nagasia, on 05 October 2017 - 11:08 AM, said:

This Topic is to Discuss what would and could happen is IS XL got ST Survivability,

[Stinger554]

Andi Nagasia, on 05 October 2017 - 11:30 AM, said:

perhaps if LFE was balanced to STD and XL Engines?

Balanced how? The only thing I can think of is to remove ST loss penalties but even then still wouldn't be worth it on most mechs compared to using XL.

Even if PGI wants to do this they should just allow mix tech cause it get the same effect but it's better.

Edited by Stinger554, 05 October 2017 - 11:36 AM.

[MechaBattler]

It would certainly even things out. No more taking less weapons or a lower engine. More heatsinks. Without the worry of one shoulder ending the match for you.

Even so I don't like the idea of them being the same.

[Andi Nagasia]

Stinger554, on 05 October 2017 - 11:32 AM, said:

Balanced how? The only thing I can think of is to remove ST loss penalties but even then still wouldn't be worth it on most mechs compared to using XL.

not sure perhaps allowing it to store +2HS more internally in its Engine(over XL) perhaps more,

Roadbuster, on 05 October 2017 - 11:32 AM, said:

thank you always a pleasure Roadbuster,

[Stinger554]

Andi Nagasia, on 05 October 2017 - 11:36 AM, said:

not sure perhaps allowing it to store +2HS more internally in its Engine(over XL) perhaps more,

As in the extra HS a player can put in or the HS that come with the engine? If the former that's at least interesting to consider and would give a reason to use LFE over XL but you'd still lose overall tonnage so...IDK..

[Composite Armour]

It'd be a start, but not really going to accomplish much on it's own.

[BrunoSSace]

If the IS XL survived a side torsos loss, IS would dominant in Scouting and the storm crow would need to come back.

[Mole]

What would happen if IS XL got side torso survivability? Then 70 of my 78 'mechs would all be running XLs because there is simply no reason whatsoever not to unless you just don't have enough slots.

[Khobai]

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What Would Happen If Is Xl Got St Survivability?

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LFE would just go away.

and it should go away. it would be bad compared to ISXL that can survive side torso blowout.

unless they added a proper engine crit system then they could keep LFE

with a proper engine crit system, LFE could be made more resilient to getting critted and suffer less penalties than ISXL/CXL

and STD engines would be immune to crits entirely in addition to getting a considerable CT structure bonus and possibly a dissipation/capacity bonus to all internal heatsinks.

Edited by Khobai, 05 October 2017 - 12:02 PM.