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[Pariah Devalis]

Mcgral18, on 30 October 2017 - 10:28 PM, said:

For a Clam mech, that is plenty of short range firepower

Remember, HSLs exist. They're not quite as good as the old cSPL, but good enough to substitute.
He isn't lacking hardpoints
He'll be above mediocre, no doubt. Not good, almost certainly, but not mediocre.

With their burn duration, and the speed the Black Lanner would be moving at, even a slight amount of bumpy terrain will cause that HSL beam to smear something awful. Let alone on a presumably moving object. There is a reason you don't see the HSL saving the Viper.

[Ruccus]

I'm actually advocating the increase to 55 tons on the clan side, especially if the November 1st mech is the Black Lanner. I wrote that I'd be concerned, but it's because currently I find if I make a build for my Bushwacker (or Shadowhawk, or Centurion, though I usually drop in a Bushwacker) I feel that I can run in scouting with a 280 engine and be 'fast enough'.

If Black Lanner is released and the Stormcrow returns to scouting, I think I'll have to up my scouting engine to at least a 300, and ideally around 315 to 325. I do have a builds with engines as large as a 340 LFE that I think would be good against a Black Lanner, but devoting that much weight to my engine means I'll be in tougher against the current standard scouting mechs on the clan side. I also think it might hamper mechs like the Hunchback and Centurion who can't fit the bigger engines the Shadowhawk, Griffin, and Bushwacker can, so would be easier to kite.

[mogs01gt]

ZippySpeedMonkey, on 28 October 2017 - 08:21 AM, said:

No. Good riddance to it.
One of the really unfun / unfair aspects of scout is when you as an Inner Sphere player came up against premades of nothing but Stormcrows.
Believe me it happened quite frequently and is one of the reasons why I refused to participate in Faction Play.

The issue is premades then.

[Mystere]

Tarl Cabot, on 28 October 2017 - 10:42 AM, said:

Besides the C-Streaks and the IS lack of said Streaks, Stormcrow was a common Clan mech, whereas the Hunchback IIC and Huntsman were not common.

A game in which Hunchback IICs and Huntsmans are more common than Stormcrows during the Clan invasion is not "A BattleTech Game". <shrugs>

Edited by Mystere, 31 October 2017 - 07:41 AM.

[Khobai]

honestly even 50 tons is too heavy for scout mode

scout mode should be 40 tons and less only

[Pariah Devalis]

Khobai, on 31 October 2017 - 08:26 AM, said:

honestly even 50 tons is too heavy for scout mode

scout mode should be 40 tons and less only

Why? Mechs like the SHC and IFR were designed from the ground up as scout mechs and as command units to light stars, and those are 45 tons. Even in lore, some heavy mechs were classified as "scouts," such as the future "Scourge" at 65 tons. Limiting it to mediums or below makes for a nice, clean delineation, however.

[Khobai]

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Why? Mechs like the SHC and IFR were designed from the ground up as scout mechs and as command units to light stars, and those are 45 tons. Even in lore, some heavy mechs were classified as "scouts," such as the future "Scourge" at 65 tons. Limiting it to mediums or below makes for a nice, clean delineation, however.

But 55 tons are mediums and theyre not allowed in scout mode. so there is no nice clean delineation.

[Athom83]

I would agree if IS scouting was upped to 60t, so we can ride on the backs of our mighty Dragons into battle!

[Pariah Devalis]

Khobai, on 31 October 2017 - 08:45 AM, said:

But 55 tons are mediums and theyre not allowed in scout mode. so there is no nice clean delineation.

Which would be a valid statement if...this entire thread wasn't literally about bringing 55 ton mechs back into the mode for Clans.

[Khobai]

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Which would be a valid statement if...this entire thread wasn't literally about bringing 55 ton mechs back into the mode for Clans.

and id rather see it go down to 40 tons. im sick of fighting 4 bushwhackers constantly.

40 tons would be shorter more faster paced games

[Athom83]

Khobai, on 31 October 2017 - 10:55 AM, said:

and id rather see it go down to 40 tons. im sick of fighting 4 bushwhackers constantly. 40 tons would be shorter more faster paced games

Which would make Scouting consist of only Arctic Wolves vs Assassins.

[Khobai]

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Which would make Scouting consist of only Arctic Wolves vs Assassins.

better than 4 bushwhackers vs 4 huntsmen/hunchbacks

[Athom83]

Khobai, on 31 October 2017 - 11:06 AM, said:

better than 4 bushwhackers vs 4 huntsmen/hunchbacks

How so?

[Kijiro Bugboy]

I just think it's inherently imbalanced that the IS gets to go up to 55 tons while the Clans only get to go up to 50 tons.

[Appogee]

Racerxintegra2k, on 28 October 2017 - 07:55 AM, said:

As an Innersphere loyalist i think clans should get there Stormcrow back in scouting. The IS has a number of competitive mechs in that weight class that can match it now.

Sure. It's even easier to leg than Novas.

[Vonbach]

Asriel Dreemur, on 31 October 2017 - 12:02 PM, said:

I just think it's inherently fair
that the IS gets to go up to 55 tons while the Clans only get to go up to 50 tons.

Fixed it for you.

Edited by Vonbach, 31 October 2017 - 01:07 PM.

[LT. HARDCASE]

Ruccus, on 31 October 2017 - 12:35 AM, said:

I'm actually advocating the increase to 55 tons on the clan side, especially if the November 1st mech is the Black Lanner.

What if it's instead the Vapor Eagle?

[Athom83]

LT. HARDCASE, on 31 October 2017 - 01:33 PM, said:

What if it's instead the Vapor Eagle?

Or the Mongrel?

[Pariah Devalis]

Athom83, on 31 October 2017 - 01:36 PM, said:

Or the Mongrel?

I mean, that would be a 45 ton mech. I wouldn't say no, but it isn't an under-represented weight point in the Clan lineup.

Would, however, be the CDS version of the SHC, and be the better laser based skirmisher.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 31 October 2017 - 01:56 PM.

[Xavori]

Athom83, on 31 October 2017 - 01:36 PM, said:

Or the Mongrel?

If we're just throwing out mechs, why not the Stalking Spider?

QUADRAPEDS FTW!

Would seriously annoy all those Bushwackers trying to leg Clan mechs atm