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[Racerxintegra2k]

As an Innersphere loyalist i think clans should get there Stormcrow back in scouting. The IS has a number of competitive mechs in that weight class that can match it now.

Further more i think clans need another 55 Ton mech. What do you guys think ?

[Stf Sgt Marblez]

I wasn't playing when that was a problem back in the day so I cant really chime in on the good idea/bad idea part but it would be interesting to see how it plays out if they did. It'd prly give the bushie a run for its money in scouting.

[Mechrophilia]

You'd probably regret it.

[Khobai]

there was definitely a noticeable change

because the stormcrow was much faster than any of the clan 50 tonners

[Racerxintegra2k]

The Stormcrow met its match with the Griffin. Now the IS has the Bushwacker and Assassin. Let them have it back.

[ZippySpeedMonkey]

No. Good riddance to it.

One of the really unfun / unfair aspects of scout is when you as an Inner Sphere player came up against premades of nothing but Stormcrows.

Believe me it happened quite frequently and is one of the reasons why I refused to participate in Faction Play.

[Racerxintegra2k]

ZippySpeedMonkey, on 28 October 2017 - 08:21 AM, said:

No. Good riddance to it.

One of the really unfun / unfair aspects of scout is when you as an Inner Sphere player came up against premades of nothing but Stormcrows.

Believe me it happened quite frequently and is one of the reasons why I refused to participate in Faction Play.

What can a Stormcrow do that a Bushwacker and Assassin cant ?

[Pariah Devalis]

The Stormcrow was removed because it allowed for easy access to mass streaks. While SSRM are not as good as direct fire ASRM against medium mechs, if you have an IS pilot with bad aim and a Clan pilot with bad aim, the Clan pilot in the Streakboat is going to be doing a whole hell of a lot better than the IS pilot. It meant that on the low end of the skill spectrum, Clan pilots had a definite advantage, like for like. This created an inflation in the win/loss across the board, due to removing one variable: insufficient skill to be effective.

However, then PGI released the Huntsman. A mech that does SSRM better than the Stormcrow ever did. It totally undermined the entire point of removing access to such a powerful streakboat as the Stormcrow. At only 5 tons lighter, it isn't exactly sacrificing much durability. Both the SCR and the HMN have huge, easily isolated legs to fire upon. I wouldn't call the loss of the Stormcrow a significant issue and, hell, even before the lockout on Clan 55 ton mechs in scouting, most of the people in my circles stopped using the thing, anyways, due to better, or more practical, options being available. As such, our insane win and kill rate did not have even the slightest of hiccups.

Even now, the HMN is the superior brawler to the SCR. Re-introducing the 55 ton mechs to the queue would do nothing of significance. Or at least it shouldn't given that the SCR is already outclassed by lighter mechs in the role of "brawler." Is it faster than the 50 ton options? Sure. But it trades firepower for that, and weapon convergence is worse, while presenting a larger target.

If they reintroduced 55 ton mechs, I still wouldn't use the damned thing. However, at least it brings back some options, and increases the value of any future 55 ton Clan mech that PGI releases.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 28 October 2017 - 08:35 AM.

[Battlemaster56]

TBH I be fine with the Stormcrow return, it can hold it's own and not op unless you in a locust and face streakcrow, but even then your most likely gonna run into lurmback IIC's than the streakcrow.

Also it's legs are easy to hit laughable at times when you shoot them off.

[Racerxintegra2k]

Pariah Devalis, on 28 October 2017 - 08:32 AM, said:

The Stormcrow was removed because it allowed for easy access to mass streaks. While SSRM are not as good as direct fire ASRM against medium mechs, if you have an IS pilot with bad aim and a Clan pilot with bad aim, the Clan pilot in the Streakboat is going to be doing a whole hell of a lot better than the IS pilot. It meant that on the low end of the skill spectrum, Clan pilots had a definite advantage, like for like. This created an inflation in the win/loss across the board, due to removing one variable: insufficient skill to be effective.

However, then PGI released the Huntsman. A mech that does SSRM better than the Stormcrow ever did. It totally undermined the entire point of removing access to such a powerful streakboat as the Stormcrow. At only 5 tons lighter, it isn't exactly sacrificing much durability. Both the SCR and the HMN have huge, easily isolated legs to fire upon. I wouldn't call the loss of the Stormcrow a significant issue and, hell, even before the lockout on Clan 55 ton mechs in scouting, most of the people in my circles stopped using the thing, anyways, due to better, or more practical, options being available. As such, our insane win and kill rate did not have even the slightest of hiccups.

Even now, the HMN is the superior brawler to the SCR. Re-introducing the 55 ton mechs to the queue would do nothing of significance. Or at least it shouldn't given that the SCR is already outclassed by lighter mechs in the role of "brawler." Is it faster than the 50 ton options? Sure. But it trades firepower for that, and weapon convergence is worse, while presenting a larger target.

If they reintroduced 55 ton mechs, I still wouldn't use the damned thing. However, at least it brings back some options, and increases the value of any future 55 ton Clan mech that PGI releases.

Exactly correct. It would just add more diversity for clans. They don't have nearly as many options as Inner Sphere.

[Asym]

Bring it back ! Good grief, this is an arms race we are talking about.... There should be a minimun speed requirement in scouting of 100 anyway..... Scouting is a medium mech brawl now....

[Gas Guzzler]

Racerxintegra2k, on 28 October 2017 - 07:55 AM, said:

As an Innersphere loyalist i think clans should get there Stormcrow back in scouting. The IS has a number of competitive mechs in that weight class that can match it now.

Further more i think clans need another 55 Ton mech. What do you guys think ?

Unless the #PollsWereWrong you will probably see a new 55 ton mech on the horizon come Wednesday.

[Khobai]

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However, then PGI released the Huntsman. A mech that does SSRM better than the Stormcrow ever did. It totally undermined the entire point of removing access to such a powerful streakboat as the Stormcrow

i dunno about that

the huntsman is laughably slow compared to the stormcrow (only 81kph vs 97kph of the stormcrow)

the huntsman is pretty terrible at chasing lights

the stormcrow was good in scouting because of how fast it was for its tonnage

Edited by Khobai, 28 October 2017 - 09:32 AM.

[VonBruinwald]

There's one thing people aren't considering... even with all the boons from scouting the IS can barely compete in invasion matches.

Only when invasion is balanced should they consider raising the tonnage in scouting. Doing so before hand would only lead to a greater lopsidedness in invasion matches than there currently is.

[Pariah Devalis]

Khobai, on 28 October 2017 - 09:31 AM, said:

i dunno about that

the huntsman is laughably slow compared to the stormcrow (only 81kph vs 97kph of the stormcrow)

the huntsman is pretty terrible at chasing lights

Correct. But if you are dropship diving in ecm lights, the stormcrow isn't gonna get you anyways. The SSRM range is more limiting than the speed of the mech in scouting mode.

VonBruinwald, on 28 October 2017 - 09:52 AM, said:

There's one thing people aren't considering... even with all the boons from scouting the IS can barely compete in invasion matches.

Only when invasion is balanced should they consider raising the tonnage in scouting. Doing so before hand would only lead to a greater lopsidedness in invasion matches than there currently is.

Why? It is lopsided in scouting in favor of IS. What reason is there for PGI not to balance Invasion and Scouting independently? Especially when it is a change that only targets one mode vs the other.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 28 October 2017 - 10:04 AM.

[Dryderian]

VonBruinwald, on 28 October 2017 - 09:52 AM, said:

There's one thing people aren't considering... even with all the boons from scouting the IS can barely compete in invasion matches.

Only when invasion is balanced should they consider raising the tonnage in scouting. Doing so before hand would only lead to a greater lopsidedness in invasion matches than there currently is.

From what I see, that won't happen looking at mechs. PGI aims for clan superiority as a whole with the money IS flavor of the month mech having the strength to compete with the clan range at the same tonnage, although usually not with the flavor of the month clan mech.But that is just my opinion.

Perhaps they might tweak the game modes.

Edited by Dryderian, 28 October 2017 - 10:19 AM.

[VonBruinwald]

Pariah Devalis, on 28 October 2017 - 10:02 AM, said:

Why? It is lopsided in scouting in favor of IS. What reason is there for PGI not to balance Invasion and Scouting independently? Especially when it is a change that only targets one mode vs the other.

But they're not independent; Intel, sweeps and jamming all effect invasion but are earned from scouting.

[Tarl Cabot]

Besides the C-Streaks and the IS lack of said Streaks, Stormcrow was a common Clan mech, whereas the Hunchback IIC and Huntsman were not common. There is the speed to consider but that is one way to steer players to purchase other mechs. And due to that there appears to have been more variety in the Clan mechs taken.

On the other hand, the Stormcrow (comes with Endo/FF) runs cooler and, as previously noted, is faster then an than a Griffin unless said Griffin using isXL engine (gotta love dying once a ST is gone) while running cSRM6 (1.5-tons/1slot) vs isSRM6 (3-tons/2slots) so the 2N/3M Griffin only has 4 missile slots so it is generally equipped with isSRM4 (2-tons), fewer heatsinks (3slot isDHS vs 2slot cDHS).

The outlier though for IS is still PGI insistence that the loss of one side torso with isXL be kept, all the while IS weapons and components are heavier and generally occupy more slots. PGI needs to remove that red herring from the equation.

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 28 October 2017 - 11:03 AM.

[Kalimaster]

I'm sure they will find another use for the storm crow, like a wind chime.

[FireStoat]

During the last Kurita / Smoke Jaguar loyalist FW challenge I ran my Pakhet over a score of times for matches and thought things were pretty even. Griffins, Assassins, Shadow Hawks, Wolverines, but especially Bushwackers were matching up against Novas, Hunchback IICs, and Huntsmen and to me it felt like close fights every time.

As an experiment, I swapped out my A+SRMs for ATM 9 x3 along with a partner on VOIP that did the same thing. We would approach the enemy as a group and focus fire on the nearest enemy and... The initial volley of 162 damage released at range 300 + lasers would horribly cripple one of the enemy's 4 mechs right at the start. It made the rest of the clean up very easy. Using this tactic solo with a Pug group wouldn't work, but all 4 mechs focusing the lead target with 2 huntsmen doing this worked time after time.

Going back to the topic of the Stormcrow, I dunno. I think PGI should look at the scouting match results from the last FW event and if the IS had the edge, the argument of keeping the Stormcrow out should be dead in the water.