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[Sjorpha]

Pariah Devalis, on 03 December 2017 - 09:43 AM, said:

Hard to enjoy the game when a large portion of those you are paired up with or against can't hit an Awesome, if they were piloting it.

Can YOU hit an Awesome while piloting it? Colour me impressed!

[Brain Cancer]

Of course it's 20 games. So far. Last season was 180 games, this one isn't a week old.

I'm doing the events, and that doesn't take me more than 3 games per. Last season was 1.0/1.03, but that was due to my choice to bring out a sub-par Marauder IIC. However, that should factor into how reliable I am as a team-mate
Your ability to choose and build well factors into your skills- if you're piloting "funbuilds" that don't pull your weight, then that should be obvious from stats.

And don't ever say "you don't have the combat power and mass to change the battle". I can't count how many times I've seen a light take home the prize because they ended up smoking ten times their weight in opponents. I started out in a Kit Fox, and frankly, I carried a few fights on firepower...and in a few cases where I didn't, I was scratching my head because I'd out-done the team assaults and came up with +PSR on a loss. If you're deciding to be an AMS coverer, it's giving you matchscore from missiles shot down. If you're just ECM cover, you've got every opportunity to aggressively secure kills (and should). And that's not even taking consumable strikes into account. Either way, you're part of the win or the loss and how much of it is entirely from your choices on what you bring and do. The team doesn't care that it's because you're skilling up. It cares and depends on that you do what it takes to win. If you're learning by losing, your teams are still losing. If you're not killing things, that means someone else has to pick up the slack.

[Xavori]

Asym, on 04 December 2017 - 01:40 PM, said:

BC, 20 games? 20 games!
I have 76 games and spent a vast majority of that in a new/mastering Kit Fox and sit at .76 w/l 174 avg.... So BC, what does this infer about us? I played three times what you played in inferior equipment or mechs of different classes?

All of the data is meaningless because there is not a stable "expected" value or baseline metric that means anything....

I did have a few Kit Fox matches with 2+ kills and >500 damage! But, that depended on the assaults that I was protecting. They created the conditions for 2 + kills and 500+ damage because they have the combat power and mass to change the battle....not me.

Hope to see you out there again!

Aww...mastering 1 Kit Fox...

I'm currently working on:
Every single loyalty mech
The Halloween free Stormcrow
Every single Thanatos except the 5S which I already finished (oh gawd is this a grind in this mech chassis with no ST armor)
The Grinner, K9, Dark Death, and Ghillie which I picked up on Black Friday (thanks for free MC PGI!)
The Cataphract and Blackjack loyalty mechs that I'm not sure when I got
That shiny new Atlas from the last faction event
That shiny new Night Gyr from the last faction event because our unit lucked into switching sides at a time to get both
Three other Night Gyr's because I bought the bundle so I could build a hot planet drop deck just before our unit decided to announce it was going IS *sigh*

So ya, my stats this season are garbage. My stats next season will be garbage. I even have the Hellspawn and Piranha's pre-ordered, so it's not like I'm going to be able to catch up. And if PGI ups Clan scouting to 55 tons, I'll prolly go Ultimate package on the Black Lanners cuz I can't resist going really fast even if it means I'm undergunned *smirk*

[Brain Cancer]

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So ya, my stats this season are garbage. My stats next season will be garbage

And that's what your team should expect, when you're playing right now, you will be contributing less than the average player would. Your stats will reflect this, especially if you do it enough. My brief 20-game foray into a robot I sucked with basically left me just able to pull my season up to 1.0 (exactly) and a hair better than 1.0 K/D last time.

[Asym]

Brain Cancer, on 04 December 2017 - 02:59 PM, said:

And that's what your team should expect, when you're playing right now, you will be contributing less than the average player would. Your stats will reflect this, especially if you do it enough. My brief 20-game foray into a robot I sucked with basically left me just able to pull my season up to 1.0 (exactly) and a hair better than 1.0 K/D last time.

The comment was "humor" BC. You are a good player and I am a potato!!!! I doubt I'll ever be good enough to find a 1 W/L rating. I play one handed and it is just what it is; and, I don't mind.... I represent those who will always struggle with this game.

My "team" doesn't care what my W/L is.... Heck, the only people who care are those who want to say something negative. I play for the fun of it (when it is fun and that isn't the grind) and if pushed or angered, I can get very serious about this game and post large numbers.....like I said earlier, I've had 2+ kills and 600 dmg games in that Kit Fox and in those matches, it was "fun" to play with those teams, working together, etc..... Everything else is, meh, to what end. eh?!

I'd drop with you anytime and we can argue about who killed what........I like being a wingman.

[bayoucowboy]

You can keep your T1 matches to yourself. Too many T1's in my T2 matches right now. And it was more fun in T3 too.

[UnofficialOperator]

Xmith, on 04 December 2017 - 09:43 AM, said:

W/L 1.04
K/DR 1.53

This stat stays pretty much constant. The leaderboard stat does not.

Ok and so how does this relate to your point saying that its a waste of time?

From Jarls' https://leaderboard....rch.php?u=xmith

You are at around 0.95 and 1.11 overall and shows you fluctuating around that point with a dip last season. How does it even relate to the topic? That you feel you should be in T1 matches?

James Argent, on 03 December 2017 - 07:05 PM, said:

Capper is talking about the mathematical impossibility of ANY game stat ratio being negative. You can't have negative wins. You can't have negative losses. Neither number can be negative, so the ratio is mathematically always positive (or zero, if you've never won a game). An 'undesirable' W/L ratio is less than 1.0, but any number between zero and one is still positive.

Look everyone knows what neg WLR means alright. If it makes you and Capper feel better, yes I should have put WLR<1.

Be **** retentive elsewhere thanks.

[Asym]

Xavori, on 04 December 2017 - 02:34 PM, said:

Aww...mastering 1 Kit Fox...

I'm currently working on:
Every single loyalty mech
The Halloween free Stormcrow
Every single Thanatos except the 5S which I already finished (oh gawd is this a grind in this mech chassis with no ST armor)
The Grinner, K9, Dark Death, and Ghillie which I picked up on Black Friday (thanks for free MC PGI!)
The Cataphract and Blackjack loyalty mechs that I'm not sure when I got
That shiny new Atlas from the last faction event
That shiny new Night Gyr from the last faction event because our unit lucked into switching sides at a time to get both
Three other Night Gyr's because I bought the bundle so I could build a hot planet drop deck just before our unit decided to announce it was going IS *sigh*

So ya, my stats this season are garbage. My stats next season will be garbage. I even have the Hellspawn and Piranha's pre-ordered, so it's not like I'm going to be able to catch up. And if PGI ups Clan scouting to 55 tons, I'll prolly go Ultimate package on the Black Lanners cuz I can't resist going really fast even if it means I'm undergunned *smirk*

You seriously need another hobby Lad.

Or, I've suggested a "Mastering Kit" where, for what, 12 million c-bills, you can buy the Skill Points to master any mech..... I might buy new mechs if it was available......

Life is too short to grind. Many of us new players have a simplier approach: we don't buy anything anymore......free stuff, we suffer through or sell. Like the Night Gyr from the event which I sold immediately: worthless mech class post May ST....

Oh well.

[Brain Cancer]

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Can YOU hit an Awesome while piloting it? Colour me impressed!

One arty-at-the-feet strike later and you can impress and get fireworks to boot.

[UnofficialOperator]

Xavori, on 04 December 2017 - 09:44 AM, said:

Two screenshots for ya then:
https://steamuserima...D79B01F77814A5/
https://steamuserima...57CC5E7E9232F7/

The things that should jump out at ya:
1. I did 1143 damage in an Archer Tempest in less than 5 minutes. This means I'm the mostest awesomest pilot to ever step in a mech. Go me! It's my birthday! It's my birthday!
2. We lost in less than 5 minutes. Maybe it's not my birthday after all.

Hell, I did twice the damage of anyone else on my team. I was totally rockin' it. And our VIP walked into the enemy and got blown to bits and that was that.

Also, my Tempest is 2xLRM20, 7 tons of LRM's, 2xSPL, ECM, TCMkIII, and a BAP. The entire reason it did so much damage while only getting 2 kills is that it's a damage farming mech. It gets locks fast, I vomit lurmies all over my target. Lots of pieces fall off the target until it finally keels over dead. Repeat until the enemy finally pays attention to me, which they never did in that match because they were too busy turning our VIP into slag.

There is nothing good about my Tempest build except that it farms damage and destroyed components (day 5 of Advent event here I come!). It's terribly inefficient. But hey, I got a bunch of damage which gave me a great match score, and that's all that matters, right?

Wow you guys are giving me an aneurysm. Do you even read the topic? Do you do this 1000 damage consistently while winning matches?

I mean your stats are a good example. From here https://leaderboard....ch.php?u=xavori , it's obvious you should not be in T1. With a 200 average MS means you don't do 1k that often, probably a 1 off on other potatoes who can't dodge LRMs. Average 200 MS with a losing WLR and KDR at 33 percentile of population, it means you should really move down another tier. And definately not in T1 in the current system that we have.

[UnofficialOperator]

bayoucowboy, on 04 December 2017 - 03:23 PM, said:

You can keep your T1 matches to yourself. Too many T1's in my T2 matches right now. And it was more fun in T3 too.

Exactly my point. We need to do a 1 time retier based on either the last 3 seasons/lifetime stats. Then allow the ability to go up or down in tier.

[UnofficialOperator]

Asym, on 04 December 2017 - 01:40 PM, said:

BC, 20 games? 20 games!
I have 76 games and spent a vast majority of that in a new/mastering Kit Fox and sit at .76 w/l 174 avg.... So BC, what does this infer about us? I played three times what you played in inferior equipment or mechs of different classes?

All of the data is meaningless because there is not a stable "expected" value or baseline metric that means anything....

I did have a few Kit Fox matches with 2+ kills and >500 damage! But, that depended on the assaults that I was protecting. They created the conditions for 2 + kills and 500+ damage because they have the combat power and mass to change the battle....not me.

Hope to see you out there again!

Asym... please stop it. Look here https://leaderboard....arch.php?u=Asym

You have hundreds of games a month and your stats are almost always the same for the last 10 seasons.

The data is not perfect but it doesn't mean it has no use either.

Its time to stop blaming the mechs bro.

[The Lighthouse]

UnofficialOperator, on 04 December 2017 - 03:54 PM, said:

-Snip-

....I am sorry but can you stop abusing stat site for making arguments?

I think this is not the first time I am making this comment, but these days people are increasingly bringing stats to shame/name others for discussion. Not only it is not a proper way to make discussion, but if this continues it will be the matter of time PGI will stop publishing leaderboard stats.

And you never know whether people want to play this game competitively on that particular account or not. For example my another account has some nice stats : https://leaderboard....=hopeless+loser

But this main account doesn't because I play stuffs like a Mist Lynx with just a single UAC2.


Back to topic, you could say to Xavori, like...

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It is well known that LRMs greatly inflate damage value, among with other spread out weapons. It is very easy to compensate the spread damage compared to pinpoint damage.

And the discussion could go on. Instead you are basically saying to him "Durr hurr your stat sucks and you should not even be at Tier 1 at first place." which leads the discussion nowhere. Same goes for your argument against Asym too.

Edited by The Lighthouse, 04 December 2017 - 04:29 PM.

[Pariah Devalis]

Sjorpha, on 04 December 2017 - 01:56 PM, said:

Can YOU hit an Awesome while piloting it? Colour me impressed!

Wish my fist, perhaps. I never said "shoot" it.

[UnofficialOperator]

The Lighthouse, on 04 December 2017 - 04:28 PM, said:

....I am sorry but can you stop abusing stat site for making arguments?

I think this is not the first time I am making this comment, but these days people are increasingly bringing stats to shame/name others for discussion. Not only it is not a proper way to make discussion, but if this continues it will be the matter of time PGI will stop publishing leaderboard stats.

And you never know whether people want to play this game competitively on that particular account or not. For example my another account has some nice stats : https://leaderboard....=hopeless+loser

But this main account doesn't because I play stuffs like a Mist Lynx with just a single UAC2.


Back to topic, you could say to Xavori, like...



And the discussion could go on. Instead you are basically saying to him "Durr hurr your stat sucks and you should not even be at Tier 1 at first place." which leads the discussion nowhere. Same goes for your argument against Asym too.

Its ok to be in other Tiers. Are you trying to shame the other tiers? All tiers have their place. As per topic, neg WLR/100 MS/30th Percentiles should not be in Tier 1. Their stats happen to fit. I can't be trying to filter every percentile right? I'm not the one trying to derail with all the "MS is a stupid metric" troll. What other metrics do we have to base tiers on then?

So is there any reason for neg WLR/100 MS/30th Percentile people to be in T1???

Sorry if the truth hurts and I am not diplomatic. Not native English speaker

Edited by UnofficialOperator, 04 December 2017 - 04:37 PM.

[Wolfways]

UnofficialOperator, on 04 December 2017 - 04:34 PM, said:

Its ok to be in other Tiers. Are you trying to shame the other tiers? All tiers have their place. As per topic, neg WLR/100 MS/30th Percentiles should not be in Tier 1. Their stats happen to fit. I can't be trying to filter every percentile right? I'm not the one trying to derail with all the "MS is a stupid metric" troll. What other metrics do we have to base tiers on then?

So is there any reason for neg WLR/100 MS/30th Percentile people to be in T1???

Sorry if the truth hurts and I am not diplomatic. Not native English speaker

You seem to be confusing stats with ability. Having a low KDR does not indicate a bad player. It could, but it doesn't always mean that because strangely enough some people don't play games to get on leaderboards but instead play games for fun. I know, weird right?

[UnofficialOperator]

Wolfways, on 04 December 2017 - 04:52 PM, said:

You seem to be confusing stats with ability. Having a low KDR does not indicate a bad player. It could, but it doesn't always mean that because strangely enough some people don't play games to get on leaderboards but instead play games for fun. I know, weird right?

Lol yes I agree. Hence they should go to other tiers. Tiers 2 3 4 5 can be fun tiers. You can also have fun in other tiers. Just not Tier 1 as per my original post.

Leave Tier 1 alone with their unfun gameplay. Please.

You guys keep getting off topic. Stay on topic please thanks.

Edited by UnofficialOperator, 04 December 2017 - 05:18 PM.

[Xavori]

UnofficialOperator, on 04 December 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

Wow you guys are giving me an aneurysm. Do you even read the topic? Do you do this 1000 damage consistently while winning matches?

I mean your stats are a good example. From here https://leaderboard....ch.php?u=xavori , it's obvious you should not be in T1. With a 200 average MS means you don't do 1k that often, probably a 1 off on other potatoes who can't dodge LRMs. Average 200 MS with a losing WLR and KDR at 33 percentile of population, it means you should really move down another tier. And definately not in T1 in the current system that we have.

I can pull that off pretty much at will, albeit not with a lurmboat

My stats reflect my random gameplay. When I actually grab my comp mechs and focus on the game, I'm really good.

But most of the time I'm out to have fun or try something weird or levelling up my new mechs or other stuffs. Plus, I'm literally playing with one arm strapped to my side because I had shoulder surgery back in September that was a complete rebuild of my right shoulder. I'm still not allowed to lift more than 1lb. So the idea of trying to play for stats is pretty ridiculous.

And yet, yesterday's event said get 2 KMDD's, and I only had time for a couple matches, so I grabbed my Ebon Jag, and...
https://steamuserima...442AC376AC2E78/

[Xetelian]

I don't think there are enough Tier 1 pilots to populate matches on every server in under 5+ minutes of waiting.


As far as I've heard the vast majority of pilots are tier 3-5 and without them, matches would take several minutes to make.

[UnofficialOperator]

Xavori, on 04 December 2017 - 05:17 PM, said:

I can pull that off pretty much at will, albeit not with a lurmboat

My stats reflect my random gameplay. When I actually grab my comp mechs and focus on the game, I'm really good.

But most of the time I'm out to have fun or try something weird or levelling up my new mechs or other stuffs. Plus, I'm literally playing with one arm strapped to my side because I had shoulder surgery back in September that was a complete rebuild of my right shoulder. I'm still not allowed to lift more than 1lb. So the idea of trying to play for stats is pretty ridiculous.

And yet, yesterday's event said get 2 KMDD's, and I only had time for a couple matches, so I grabbed my Ebon Jag, and...
https://steamuserima...442AC376AC2E78/

Ok great. We get it. You are a great player but you are currently handicapped ok over the last few seasons. So how does this relate to the topic? Refer back to original topic thanks. Matchscore is useless? What other metric then?