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#41 Mechrophilia

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Posted 19 December 2017 - 03:59 PM

I agree, buff Atlas! A lot of good suggestions exists here. Any mash-up of some of them would do.

#42 Y E O N N E

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Posted 19 December 2017 - 04:51 PM

View PostFupDup, on 19 December 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

Do you remember the first version of weapon modules that increased your heat in exchange for longer range? They sucked popsickles and went nearly unused for a reason.


Yeah, because the range increase was uselessly small and having that tiny bit of extra heat efficiency was worth more than having that tiny bit of extra range. Why bother?

#43 CuriousCabbitBlue

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Posted 19 December 2017 - 06:08 PM

LONG TOM ATLAS

#44 VitiateDiabolus

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Posted 19 December 2017 - 06:53 PM

I'd love to see anything, even just armor quirks. I love the Atlas and the idea of brawling with a 100 ton IS mech, but it's pretty unrewarding to attempt these days.

#45 Exard3k

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Posted 19 December 2017 - 07:19 PM

View PostVitiateDiabolus, on 19 December 2017 - 06:53 PM, said:

I'd love to see anything, even just armor quirks.


Atlas-K, double AMS, maximum survivability conditions.

#46 Khobai

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Posted 19 December 2017 - 07:36 PM

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Do you remember the first version of weapon modules that increased your heat in exchange for longer range? They sucked popsickles and went nearly unused for a reason.


that anology is extremely poor. because on the first modules, the extra range wasnt worth the extra heat. it sucked because the cost wasnt worth the reward.

but people already GLADLY spend tonnage to max out their armor. so why would you think people wouldnt spend more tonnage to increase their armor even more? people have already deemed paying tonnage to be worth more armor, because thats why mechs get maxed out on armor on the first place.

it makes no sense what youre saying

people already do it... youre saying they wouldnt do it, when they already do? derrrr logical infallacy, lmao

people would absolutely pay more tonnage for more armor if they could. especially on assault mechs that have tonnage to spare.

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PGI can and probably will change the armor damage resistance stats to be much lower than 50%. The only sacred cows are tonnage and critslots.

Omnis can totally use Reflective if they have it stock, like the Wendigo. Not being able to customize your armor type does not equal "can't use it," otherwise you might argue that Omnis can't use FF since many don't have FF stock...


but the omnis that dont have it stock will be completely screwed.

if battlemechs got significant damage reduction to energy weapons but omnimechs didnt... it would render most omnis obsolete overnight

its a bad argument that makes no sense. adding the wendigo is not going to save all the other omnimechs lmao.

adding reflective armor for battlemechs and not allowing most omnimechs to use it, in a meta dominated by laser vomit, is as good as a death sentence for omnimechs. fact.

my way of doing it through the skill tree is a better way because every mech gets access to it then. not just battlemechs. and omnimechs arnt punished into obsoletion.

Edited by Khobai, 19 December 2017 - 07:54 PM.


#47 FupDup

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Posted 19 December 2017 - 07:50 PM

View PostKhobai, on 19 December 2017 - 07:36 PM, said:

but the omnis that dont have it stock will be completely screwed.

if battlemechs got significant damage reduction to energy weapons but omnimechs didnt... it would render most omnis obsolete overnight

its a bad argument that makes no sense. adding the wendigo is not going to save all the other omnimechs lmao.

adding reflective armor for battlemechs and not allowing most omnimechs to use it, in a meta dominated by laser vomit, is as good as a death sentence.

my way of doing it through the skill tree is a better way because every mech gets access to it then. not just battlemechs. and omnimechs arnt punished.

That's a meta problem, not an Omnimech or skill tree problem.

And I wouldn't call it "completely" screwed, the Omnis who use FF instead of Reflective armor get tonnage savings for more firepower and the ones with just Standard Armor get more critslots for spamming DHS and stuff.

#48 Khobai

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Posted 19 December 2017 - 07:56 PM

lol if one mech gets 50% damage reduction to lasers

and another mech doesnt

the mech that doesnt is screwed

#49 FupDup

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Posted 19 December 2017 - 08:01 PM

View PostKhobai, on 19 December 2017 - 07:56 PM, said:

lol if one mech gets 50% damage reduction to lasers

and another mech doesnt

the mech that doesnt is screwed

It's not going to be 50%.

#50 Khobai

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Posted 19 December 2017 - 08:12 PM

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It's not going to be 50%.


even if its only 20%, thats enough to make omnimechs obsolete

having 20% more hitpoints is huge in this game

if battlemechs get 20% resistance to laser vomit but omnimechs dont, why would you ever use omnimechs?

reflective armor is something that simply should not exist as long as omnimechs have locked equipment.


if you had suggested omnimechs get unlocked equipment that would at least be reasonable

but trying to suggest its okay to offer battlemechs massive damage reduction but not omnimechs is ridiculous


unless omnimechs get unlocked equipment im gonna have to say its better to do it through the skill tree so both battlemechs and omnimechs get equal treatment.

Edited by Khobai, 19 December 2017 - 08:16 PM.


#51 VgerRD

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Posted 20 November 2020 - 06:03 AM

If I could change something about my beloved AS7-KR, it would be to have 1 ballistic and 1 missile hardpoint in each side torso. The impossible dream.

#52 Bud Crue

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Posted 20 November 2020 - 07:01 AM

For some reason I find myself wondering: how much meat would be left on the bones of a three year old zombie?

#53 RickySpanish

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Posted 20 November 2020 - 07:05 AM

Well it's an Atlas, so it'll zombie extremely effectively.

#54 JediPanther

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Posted 20 November 2020 - 01:45 PM

200 ft and rt armor buff would not make me want to use any of the four atlas I have. Compare its mobility to any other is assault and try and tell me why I'd use atlas over any of the others. I might put lrm 10s on it and quad tags for the hell of it. lrm atlas is best atlas.

#55 VgerRD

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Posted 20 November 2020 - 02:31 PM

View PostBud Crue, on 20 November 2020 - 07:01 AM, said:

For some reason I find myself wondering: how much meat would be left on the bones of a three year old zombie?


Wow, so funny. Topic is still as relevant now as it ever was.

#56 D A T A

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Posted 20 November 2020 - 04:01 PM

don't forget to ad 4 phaser banks and 2 quantum torpedo launchers

Edited by D A T A, 20 November 2020 - 04:01 PM.


#57 Nightbird

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Posted 20 November 2020 - 04:32 PM

View PostD A T A, on 20 November 2020 - 04:01 PM, said:

don't forget to ad 4 phaser banks and 2 quantum torpedo launchers


Don't forget the axial assault phaser!.

#58 Y E O N N E

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Posted 20 November 2020 - 05:26 PM

View PostD A T A, on 20 November 2020 - 04:01 PM, said:

don't forget to ad 4 phaser banks and 2 quantum torpedo launchers


Tricobalt is the meta.

#59 w0qj

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Posted 20 November 2020 - 06:01 PM

Hi Data!

The correct IP should be Star Wars... oops... Star Trek !

View PostD A T A, on 20 November 2020 - 04:01 PM, said:

don't forget to ad 4 phaser banks and 2 quantum torpedo launchers


#60 VonBruinwald

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Posted 20 November 2020 - 06:35 PM

View PostLockheed_, on 20 November 2020 - 06:22 PM, said:

What’s with all the stupid necros lately? This thread is 3 years old.
Do people suddenly form an opinion about something and then search the forums and see where they can dump it?


What's more worrying is how a 3 year old issue is still relevant today.





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