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[Brain Cancer]

Overall, not including just this season he's got about .26 on you in W/L ratio and just a tic better K/D ratio.

[Grus]

Brain Cancer, on 26 December 2017 - 04:45 PM, said:

Overall, not including just this season he's got about .26 on you in W/L ratio and just a tic better K/D ratio.

Don't know what your looking at but last season

Kd; 2105 Grus rank
; 5527 r4zen rank

This season so far
Grus; 15528
R4zen 27488

Little better than a tick

And what about FP?

[N0MAD]

Mischief...
Name a Clan chassis, if you cant find an IS chassis at roughly same weight that can do the same job better after taking into consideration quirks you dont know your mechs.
Everyone says " oh look at the clan range etc, etc." but never mention the extensive quirks on most IS chassis.
If you cant find an IS chassis with the required quirks for your build youre not looking hard enough or being deliberately misleading.
Im sure there are maybe a very few Clan chassis that might be bit beter in niche circumstances but overall? no.

[Y E O N N E]

Grus, on 26 December 2017 - 04:38 PM, said:

Because I just looked at the MWO leaderbords and I'm crushing the scrub.

For Season 18, which hasn't been counted yet in the Isengrim leaderboard:

r4zen has a WLR of 0.60, KDR of 1.09, an AMS of 296, and only 24 games.

You have a WLR of 0.97, KDR of 1.67, an AMS of 268, and 133 games.

From Season 18 alone, your performance looks better, but we have a pretty small sample size for r4zen and, if we look at the historical data (which is what the previous link does; you can see more if you just search the individual user instead of running the compare), he typically does better than you.

[Brain Cancer]

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Don't know what your looking at but last season

Jarl's list, the Isengard leaderboard which has handy comparison widgets for stats pulled from the MWO leaderboards.

He really has won more than you in the long run.

[Grus]

Yeonne Greene, on 26 December 2017 - 04:52 PM, said:

For Season 18, which hasn't been counted yet in the Isengrim leaderboard:

r4zen has a WLR of 0.60, KDR of 1.09, an AMS of 296, and only 24 games.

You have a WLR of 0.97, KDR of 1.67, an AMS of 268, and 133 games.

From Season 18 alone, your performance looks better, but we have a pretty small sample size for r4zen and, if we look at the historical data (which is what the previous link does; you can see more if you just search the individual user instead of running the compare), he typically does better than you.

from fist hand experience seeing him in matches he's garbage. Any win he does get is on the backs of other players.

[Mcgral18]

N0MAD, on 26 December 2017 - 04:51 PM, said:

Mischief...
Name a Clan chassis, if you cant find an IS chassis at roughly same weight that can do the same job better after taking into consideration quirks you dont know your mechs.
Everyone says " oh look at the clan range etc, etc." but never mention the extensive quirks on most IS chassis.
If you cant find an IS chassis with the required quirks for your build youre not looking hard enough or being deliberately misleading.
Im sure there are maybe a very few Clan chassis that might be bit beter in niche circumstances but overall? no.

lolwhut

[Y E O N N E]

Grus, on 26 December 2017 - 04:55 PM, said:

from fist hand experience seeing him in matches he's garbage. Any win he does get is on the backs of other players.

And I could say the same about you, the few times MM has been desperate enough to put you in my games.

[Grus]

Mcgral18, on 26 December 2017 - 04:55 PM, said:

lolwhut

I think what he's getting at is on paper gun for gun clans slightly out preform IS. But after quirks and then skill tree they underpreform.

Yeonne Greene, on 26 December 2017 - 05:01 PM, said:

And I could say the same about you, the few times MM has been desperate enough to put you in my games.

and who are you with again? And if it was solo in QP most likely skilling up mech's to run in fw.

Edited by Grus, 26 December 2017 - 05:05 PM.

[N0MAD]

If you cant figure out that exposure time in this game is very critical, then all i can say is, lolwhut..

[Y E O N N E]

Grus, on 26 December 2017 - 05:04 PM, said:

and who are you with again? And if it was solo in QP most likely skilling up mech's to run in fw.

I am me myself and I. But I was with Antares Scorpions.

But, hey, you can offer up any excuse you like.

[Grus]

Yeonne Greene, on 26 December 2017 - 05:10 PM, said:

I am me myself and I. But I was with Antares Scorpions.

But, hey, you can offer up any excuse you like.

so no one interesting or notable, got it.

[Y E O N N E]

Grus, on 26 December 2017 - 05:11 PM, said:

so no one interesting or notable, got it.

Like you?

[Grus]

Yeonne Greene, on 26 December 2017 - 05:12 PM, said:

Like you?

far from It.

So back to adult talk...
The heat diffrence is yes clans heat up quicker but it takes more for IS to heat up. More shots on target means more damage applied in the same time frame. Now that the h gauss is here this compounds the problem even more. Add in a hot map and well..

[Y E O N N E]

Grus, on 26 December 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

far from It.

Lol, okay scrub. Whatever you say. You don't get to call other people out and not face scrutiny yourself.

If you aren't MRBC, you are little people.

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So back to adult talk...
The heat diffrence is yes clans heat up quicker but it takes more for IS to heat up. More shots on target means more damage applied in the same time frame. Now that the h gauss is here this compounds the problem even more. Add in a hot map and well.

The math literally does not support this statement.

Edited by Yeonne Greene, 26 December 2017 - 05:24 PM.

[Khobai]

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The math literally does not support this statement.

actually the math does support that clan mechs heat up faster and IS mechs heat up slower

because clan mechs output higher DPS and that higher DPS means more heat generation

but the fact clan mechs generate more DPS is only an advantage, since they can choose to slow their DPS rate to generate less heat. But IS can never choose to increase their DPS and generate more heat.


heres an example:

clan mech with 6 CERML and 25 DHS = +6.6 heat per second and -4.3 heat dissipation = +2.3 net heat

IS mech with 6 ERML and 18 DHS = +5.4 heat generation, and -3.2 heat dissipation, = +2.2 net heat

so even though the clan mech has way more DHS, its still generating more heat per second to maintain the higher rate of DPS.

clan mechs absolutely run hotter than IS mechs. but they also output more dps...

so the correct statement is

"clan mechs run hotter but do more dps while IS mechs run cooler but cant do as much dps"

Edited by Khobai, 26 December 2017 - 05:33 PM.

[YueFei]

I have a feeling MischiefSC is going to challenge folks to actually test their assertions once more, and people are gonna duck out yet again.

It's like those delusional people who think their Ki-technique or Dim Mak death touch BS would actually work and put down an opponent. And then when challenged on it, they either say it's too deadly to be used "For Real" ™, or they do show up to fight and get rekt.

Look, there's nothing wrong with being a potato. I'm a potato. I enjoy the game anyway. The problem is when people don't realize that they are potatoes.

[Grus]

Yeonne Greene, on 26 December 2017 - 05:22 PM, said:

Lol, okay scrub. Whatever you say. You don't get to call other people out and not face scrutiny yourself.



The math literally does not support this statement.

are you adding in perks and skills? Because IS has them in spades. With max skill and add perks, those lasers are cold as winter. Add in weapons that fire with no heat generated you have a huge dps advantage. Add further the armor/hp and that the mech you're shooting at is probably 5 to 10 tonne lighter (talking fp) there is an advantage.

This is why I'm excited for the pahrana, it's going to free up tonnage for use on other mech's in the dropdeck to close that gap.

And I'll call out r4zen all I want. If you don't like it fine, but that's our beef. Don't put your nose in it.

Edit: cell autocorrect.

Edited by Grus, 26 December 2017 - 05:31 PM.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

I think IS is better than Clans at most things, the exception being high alpha trading. I also am in the top 5% of the playerbase based on the leaderboard. How do you dismantle my argument now?

[Grus]

Dakota1000, on 26 December 2017 - 05:32 PM, said:

I think IS is better than Clans at most things, the exception being high alpha trading. I also am in the top 5% of the playerbase based on the leaderboard. How do you dismantle my argument now?

ha funny!

Yeah alpha trade clans got it. But catch a alpha trade clan mech cooling down and push him, dies quickly. Either by consistent fire or cooking himself.