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[gooddragon2]

I watched a video of a seal clubbing (or at least it was titled that):


They didn't use gauss rifles. Or maybe I didn't see them using gauss rifles. It was from over a year ago though. So are gauss rifles the new seal clubbing weapon? Why do players get clubbed so much? How does it usually go down? Any good videos of seal clubbing recently that you feel are more representative than the linked one? I heard you can gain MC through faction play?

[Bombast]

Seal clubbing isn't weapon specific - It's 'abusing' game mechanics to leverage multiple advantages against an enemy you know is ill equipped to handle such an assault. The classic example is starting a new account and fighting against new opponents you know can't match you in skill or knowledge.

In FP, it generally takes the form of creating large, well coordinated groups knowing fully well that your opponent is not going to be doing the same.

It has little to do with Gauss Rifles.

Edited by Bombast, 27 December 2017 - 06:07 PM.

[gooddragon2]

Bombast, on 27 December 2017 - 04:46 PM, said:

Seal clubbing isn't weapon specific - It's 'abusing' game mechanics to leverage multiple advantages against an enemy you know is ill equipped to handle such an assault. The classic example is starting a new account and fighting against new opponents you know can't match you in skill or knowledge.

In FP, it generally takes the form of creating large, well coordinated groups knowing fully well that your opponent is not going to be doing the same.

It had little to do with Gauss Rifles.

So if the clubee's formed a firing line and picked targets they'd have a chance?

[Nightbird]

Just two teams of unequal skill fighting in FP. No matter what weapons or tactics are used, the weaker team will be pushed back to their spawns and farmed there.

[WrathOfDeadguy]

gooddragon2, on 27 December 2017 - 04:53 PM, said:

So if the clubee's formed a firing line and picked targets they'd have a chance?

Then they wouldn't be the seals anymore, they'd be credible opponents. The term "seal clubbing" refers to what happens when an experienced, coordinated team tramples all over a team that is neither of those things. It's only seal clubbing if one team hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell of beating the other.

[Bud Crue]

gooddragon2, on 27 December 2017 - 04:53 PM, said:

So if the clubee's formed a firing line and picked targets they'd have a chance?

Only if they:
1) have skill and practice together to hone that skill;
2) communicate and practice together to hone their ability to work as a team;
3a) have sufficient knowledge of the game's mechanics of the moment to understand what mechs to bring on what maps
3b) have the common sense to recognize that there is no place for their personal snowflake, lore, mixed, jack-of-all-trades variant and/or build and understand that "well it worked for me this one time on Vitric" does not a meta make.
4) Having digested the above, once again practicing together to bring the best mechs/builds for the maps and then leverage what each other is bringing to maximize their strengths and minimize their weaknesses (see comp play and how those folks approach a match).

So yeah, if the club-ees from a decent firing line, call targets, bring the right builds and know how their team mates are going to act with a modicum of predictability and skill then yes they'd have a chance. But that isn't what or why seal clubbing occurs. It occurs because this mode lets anyone in and the folks that understand the mode and play it as a team will ALWAYS dominate those that don't. It's that simple and with a population this low there is no viable solution.

Edited by Bud Crue, 27 December 2017 - 05:08 PM.

[UnofficialOperator]

Guys guys I'm finally ready to play my first FP game!

Which unit do I join to seal club????!!???

[Marquis De Lafayette]

UnofficialOperator, on 27 December 2017 - 05:12 PM, said:

Guys guys I'm finally ready to play my first FP game!

Which unit do I join to seal club????!!???

The bad news for you; If you are coming over from QP you generally don’t get issued a club straight away....FW has its own learning curve....actually for first bunch of games you generally get to be the “seal”

The upside is you get to see which units club you the hardest...so, that will give you a good list of units to start looking at.

[Lovas]

Bombast, on 27 December 2017 - 04:46 PM, said:

Seal clubbing isn't weapon specific - It's 'abusing' game mechanics to leverage multiple advantages against an enemy you know is ill equipped to handle such an assault.

I disagree. It isn't abusing game mechanics, it is abusing your opponents poor skill and own stupidity.

[El Bandito]

Teamwork OP. As usual.

[Khobai]

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I disagree. It isn't abusing game mechanics, it is abusing your opponents poor skill and own stupidity.

virtually every other multiplayer game separates premade groups from pugs for a reason.

even quickplay separates groups and pugs.

because it is abusive

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Teamwork OP. As usual.

its not just better teamwork. premades can filter out bad players too.

by only inviting known good players, premades gain a significant skill advantage over pugs.

the fact is, seal clubbing should not exist. FP should have separate buckets for pugs and premades.

if premades dont like the longer wait times and the fact they cant sealclub, too bad for them.

Edited by Khobai, 27 December 2017 - 06:00 PM.

[K O Z A K]

UnofficialOperator, on 27 December 2017 - 05:12 PM, said:

Guys guys I'm finally ready to play my first FP game!

Which unit do I join to seal club????!!???

First you need to learn to be a real FP warrior, in order to do so you need to be an expert at shooting buildings, for this you may join a unit that will teach you the basics, alternatively you may practice in testing grounds, make sure you cover lesson 1: shooting buildings from a stationary position, lesson 2: shooting buildings from cover, and most important and difficult final test 3: shooting buildings while on the move

there's also some less important stuff about working in waves

[MischiefSC]

It's why we miss ZMOM. Zitos mom could have explained it best, she understood what getting smashed by 12 strangers every 30 minutes with nothing to show for it was like.

[Jon Gotham]

Bombast, on 27 December 2017 - 04:46 PM, said:

Seal clubbing isn't weapon specific - It's 'abusing' game mechanics to leverage multiple advantages against an enemy you know is ill equipped to handle such an assault. The classic example is starting a new account and fighting against new opponents you know can't match you in skill or knowledge.

In FP, it generally takes the form of creating large, well coordinated groups knowing fully well that your opponent is not going to be doing the same.

It has little to do with Gauss Rifles.

Ignore the above utterly.
The truth of the matter is, a group of solo players all queue up and when match starts refuse to talk to each other. They all play as individuals and treat it like QP. The other team, typically a premade works as a team and treats the fp match as fp match. The second team usually stomps the first team.
A. Lot of the first team shine on forums claiming the second team are "farming" them. They refuse to admit they farm themselves with their own poor attitude.

Edited by Jon Gotham, 27 December 2017 - 06:30 PM.

[Bombast]

Jon Gotham, on 27 December 2017 - 06:29 PM, said:

Ignore the above utterly.
The truth of the matter is, a group of solo players all queue up and when match starts refuse to talk to each other. They all play as individuals and treat it like QP. The other team, typically a premade works as a team and treats the fp match as an to match. The second team usually stomps the first team.
A. Lot of the first team shine on forums claiming the second team are "farming" them. They refuse to admit they farm themselves with their own poor attitude.

Or, you know... don't ignore it.

Clubbing is an intent. People intentionally do it this in FP, whether you like it or not. That doesn't mean everyone claiming to be clubbed is correct, but the nonstop 'get gudding' people parrot doesn't change the fact that there's a substantial portion of the community (In any gaming community, really) that intentionally queue up and drop just to beat up on people they know aren't able to handle whats going on.

[N0MAD]

Lovas, on 27 December 2017 - 05:39 PM, said:

I disagree. It isn't abusing game mechanics, it is abusing your opponents poor skill and own stupidity.

Matching up a group of up to 12 organised players vs a group of uncoordinated casual pugs who probably have a serious tech disadvantage ie, worse mechs/equipment because they play less or casual is a bad game mechanic, name another pvp game that does this...not saying its the groups fault, its the Devs fault for having this bad mechanic ingame, but it certainly is abuse against the casual.
Also i would bet that alot of casual players not in groups are as skilled if not better skilled that a large % of group players being carried by groups..
Lastly i take offence to the blanket Stupid insult, who do you consider stupid the guy that play this hours and hours a day 7 days a week or the guy who plays this a couple hours a day to chill a few times a week because they like to spend time with wife/GF/children/friends/work and have a real life.
Tell you who i think is stupid, guys pumping their chest and insulting others because they can move and click a mouse, while others are pumping their wifes/GFs ( sorry bit crude) or making lots of money and a future by not spending half their lifes playing with pixels on a computer screen.

[gooddragon2]

Well... I guess I'll just get my mc from events then.

[Jon Gotham]

Bombast, on 27 December 2017 - 06:32 PM, said:

Or, you know... don't ignore it.

Clubbing is an intent. People intentionally do it this in FP, whether you like it or not. That doesn't mean everyone claiming to be clubbed is correct, but the nonstop 'get gudding' people parrot doesn't change the fact that there's a substantial portion of the community (In any gaming community, really) that intentionally queue up and drop just to beat up on people they know aren't able to handle whats going on.

You have a prosolo agenda bias going on. I speak from experience of being on those non talking teams. Just because you face a group, don't presume their intent. Deliberate solo play in a multiplayer environment is simply not normal. Leave the pro solo stuff out if it please. Team work clubs seals, and seals make themselves seals with their attitude. This is FACT.

[Jon Gotham]

And the "get gudding" is simply stop being a super solo and/or stubborn. Join a unit, create a group and speak! Seals club back often....beat a ghost bear ten man the other day, me and a couple of others started calling and we ended up beating them.

[Bombast]

Jon Gotham, on 27 December 2017 - 07:58 PM, said:

Just because you face a group, don't presume their intent.

I don't. But I've talked to people who are quite open about going out of their way to play the right faction, at the right times, with the right set up, with the intent of maximizing the amount of people they'll face that will be unable to handle their groups. They put quite a bit of thought into avoiding groups that can fight back by minimizing the chances of running into them, and intentionally ending such matches when they get them in the fastest possible way so they can go back to clubbing solo players.

It happens. I'm sorry if that bothers you.