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[Nema Nabojiv]

El Bandito, on 29 December 2017 - 04:12 AM, said:

Split queue did. not. work.

And another point on this one.

I think its a mistake to think it does not work. It works right now as we speak. There is enough people to form two PUG teams in prime time.

Yes there is an event right now with rather uninspiring reward.
But. There is enough people drop in FW for a free mech. And enough people to whine on forum about splitting ques every time there is an event.
The only thing needs to be done to ensure there is enough people at all times is to increase the damn rewards and make them more obtainable more often. Not 3000 GXP whatever that is and some c-bills, but some cosmetinc stuff like faction colors and warhorns and paintschemes and in might just work.

[PFC Carsten]

TWIAFU, on 29 December 2017 - 04:26 AM, said:

Every single pilot you faced in that drop should have their event rewards stripped from them and not allowed to participate further.

That would be so cool!

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Nema Nabojiv, on 29 December 2017 - 04:37 AM, said:

And another point on this one.

I think its a mistake to think it does not work. It works right now as we speak. There is enough people to form two PUG teams in prime time.

Yes there is an event right now with rather uninspiring reward.
But. There is enough people drop in FW for a free mech. And enough people to whine on forum about splitting ques every time there is an event.
The only thing needs to be done to ensure there is enough people at all times is to increase the damn rewards and make them more obtainable more often. Not 3000 GXP whatever that is and some c-bills, but some cosmetinc stuff like faction colors and warhorns and paintschemes and in might just work.

>playing for cosmetics and junk instead of cbills and GXP

Maybe give people those cbills and GXP so they can buy themselves a nice dropdeck and skill it up instead of looking pretty while they're being farmed.

Split queue was a better alternative to what we have now, at least in split queue it kept the pugs out and it kept the pugs from getting farmed. The side effect was it kept the pugs from getting matches except maybe once an hour. Acceptable losses.

[PFC Carsten]

TWIAFU, on 29 December 2017 - 04:34 AM, said:

That is why you, PUGS, asked for tools to put you on even footing with the premade, that PGI told us is LESS THAN 1% of GROUP population!

Full 12-premades. #factschecked

[TWIAFU]

Nema Nabojiv, on 29 December 2017 - 04:16 AM, said:

Now as you see, not everyone agrees on their attitude being pathetic.

In fact what they did? They dropped solo, some probably with bad decks. If they were matched against the same pug team everyone would have a fun game.
Instead they were matched against you with no chance of winning, and arguably, no chance of getting their matchscores so they decided to quit. Well its their choice and right to play or not to play.

FALSE!

You agree to play the match to it's end and not run out of bounds, suicide, or intentionally overheat.

You know this. Does not matter at all if it is PUG, Skirmish, or premade.

They, the PUGS, agreed to it. They know the risks, they all clicked OK knowing full well what CW is.

To claim otherwise is a bold face lie.

[The6thMessenger]

El Bandito, on 29 December 2017 - 01:49 AM, said:

FP is a mode tailor made for units. It even warns you when you first press the FP tab. So why should units be reviled for playing in a mode specifically designed for them? You are making zero sense.

And yet we have people rolling out on their onesie, yet we see this kind of cowardice. You want it to be for units, this is the result, it's what we reap; people suciding in matches they know they won't perform well just to get to the next game early, and we just have terrible match quality overall.

It's even funny how you could say that, yet allow premade. Shouldn't it be units versus units? premades versus premades cause they're one cohesive units? If it's really even for units alone, why be okay with not meeting premades of units only?

I mean what do you expect when a completely cohesive premade team meets with witless potatoes? Are you even just there for the seal-clubbing? Sure there shouldn't be potatoes there, then again how frequent could you even drop without them?

This is the logical conclusion of being "specifically designed for units", and if you want it to stay "designed for units", then we better get used with terrible match quality and suicide cowards and we shouldn't complain.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 29 December 2017 - 04:53 AM.

[El Bandito]

Nema Nabojiv, on 29 December 2017 - 04:37 AM, said:

And another point on this one.

I think its a mistake to think it does not work. It works right now as we speak. There is enough people to form two PUG teams in prime time.

Yes there is an event right now with rather uninspiring reward.
But. There is enough people drop in FW for a free mech. And enough people to whine on forum about splitting ques every time there is an event.
The only thing needs to be done to ensure there is enough people at all times is to increase the damn rewards and make them more obtainable more often. Not 3000 GXP whatever that is and some c-bills, but some cosmetinc stuff like faction colors and warhorns and paintschemes and in might just work.

Never said split queue does not work. I said it did not work. And current population is low enough (thanks FP phase three) that it will not work. If it was done back in 2014, with better management, I can see it working.

[TWIAFU]

ZippySpeedMonkey, on 29 December 2017 - 04:35 AM, said:

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Hope they do too and also get reported for it.

Maybe that will keep them in the shallow end with water wings.

Those evil groups in the group queue, we have to end that, because those that cannot group are 'special' are there is no place for anyone, anywhere, that is not also 'special'.

Edited by draiocht, 29 December 2017 - 09:34 PM.
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[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

The6thMessenger, on 29 December 2017 - 04:49 AM, said:

And yet we have people rolling out on their onesie, yet we see this kind of cowardice. You want it to be for units, this is the result, it's what we reap; people suciding in matches they know they won't perform well just to get to the next game early, and we just have terrible match quality overall.

It's even funny how you could say that, yet allow premade. Shouldn't it be units versus units? premades versus premades cause they're one cohesive units? If it's really even for units alone, why be okay with not meeting premades of units only?

I mean what do you expect when a completely cohesive premade team meets with witless potatoes? Are you even just there for the seal-clubbing? Sure there shouldn't be potatoes there, then again how frequent could you even drop without them?

This is the logical conclusion of being "specifically designed for units", and if you want it to stay designed for units, then we better get used with terrible match quality and suicide cowards and we shouldn't complain.

Alternatively PGI just mans up and bans players who aren't even in a unit from participating from the endgame content all together so that match quality improves 100 fold and you all stop whining about being solos in the group queue with a victim complex.

[TWIAFU]

PFC Carsten, on 29 December 2017 - 04:43 AM, said:

Full 12-premades. #factschecked

Yes, your evil full 12man premade is less that 1% of all groups in MWO at last metric provided by PGI.

Do not think that was separate but combined from Group QP and CW.

The boogeyman still does not exist.

[PFC Carsten]

Dakota1000, on 29 December 2017 - 04:53 AM, said:

Alternatively PGI just mans up and bans players who aren't even in a unit from participating from the endgame content all together so that match quality improves 100 fold and you all stop whining about being solos in the group queue with a victim complex.

Yes, please. Begone with the heathens.

[naterist]

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Edited by draiocht, 29 December 2017 - 09:36 PM.
encouragement of griefing

[Nema Nabojiv]

Dakota1000, on 29 December 2017 - 04:43 AM, said:

The side effect was it kept the pugs from getting matches except maybe once an hour. Acceptable losses.

Yesterday it took about five minutes to get a match so considering what I said before about the rewards, your argument is false.

[Dago Red]

Kroete, on 29 December 2017 - 04:19 AM, said:

Did you remember the removment of groups from qp?
Where all the groups then split up to 4 mans to still farm pugs and the groupqueue was empty.
And that pgi needed to remove all groups from qp to stop that and the group-queue is still near empty.

Hey remember how that just switched larger more organized groups to farming small or casual ones instead of fixing any core problems? Hey remember how that convert QP from having a very small amount of teamplay and being decently tolerable to having no cohesion and being awful for anything other than farming out event stats on spuds?

Good times.

[Kroete]

Dakota1000, on 29 December 2017 - 04:53 AM, said:

Alternatively PGI just mans up and bans players who aren't even in a unit from participating from the endgame content all together so that match quality improves 100 fold and you all stop whining about being solos in the group queue with a victim complex.

That would happen with a cw-solo-queue.
Dont know why lots of groupplayers dont want it?

[TWIAFU]

Dakota1000, on 29 December 2017 - 04:53 AM, said:

Alternatively PGI just mans up and bans players who aren't even in a unit from participating from the endgame content all together so that match quality improves 100 fold and you all stop whining about being solos in the group queue with a victim complex.

To harsh.

If your solo, you are entered into a pre-queue until you have 12 then you are auto grouped as a 12man.

Now that you are a 12man, you are in front of queue to face another 12man. Since the evil 12man premade is rare, odds are they will face another 12man or skirmish.

No more solo pugs to quit at first sign of a fight.

Now that they are a 12man, the rest is up to them, coordinate and teamwork, just like eveyone else.

It is clear that solo cannot play, with minor exceptions, in the group/unit queues.

[El Bandito]

The6thMessenger, on 29 December 2017 - 04:49 AM, said:

And yet we have people rolling out on their onesie, yet we see this kind of cowardice. You want it to be for units, this is the result, it's what we reap; people suciding in matches they know they won't perform well just to get to the next game early, and we just have terrible match quality overall.

It's even funny how you could say that, yet allow premade. Shouldn't it be units versus units? premades versus premades cause they're one cohesive units? If it's really even for units alone, why be okay with not meeting premades of units only?

Premades such as hub groups are fine. They often offer us decent challenges. And coincidentally almost all of them are already in a unit. Cause they know how to actually progress in FP.

[valrond]

El Bandito, on 29 December 2017 - 01:29 AM, said:

All I know is during my Marik pugging days of 2015, and 2016, I never gave up the fight, even when facing full MS team (the old Merc Star Alliance, prior to disbandment). I did my best to organize the resistance, even when getting seal clubbed. And fought our pugs did.

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Which is why I reported all of those cowardly chicken mcnuggets in today's match. Event or no, such behavior should be condemned.

And you don't see any problem in YOUR behaviour?
You basically go into the SPAWN of the enemy team, and kill them one by one. What a honorable thing to do!.
Every multiplayer game I have played (and they are quite a few) sees Spawn killing as a really bad thing, yet you do exactly that, kill the enemies at the spawn at overwhelming odds, and then you complain they suicide?. What is the point of fighting 2 vs 10 ? That you get your farm damage and kills at no cost?

Edited by draiocht, 29 December 2017 - 09:27 PM.
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[El Bandito]

valrond, on 29 December 2017 - 05:00 AM, said:

And you don't see any problem in YOUR behaviour?
You basically go into the SPAWN of the enemy team, and kill them one by one. What a honorable thing to do!.
Every multiplayer game I have played (and they are quite a few) sees Spawn killing as a really bad thing, yet you do exactly that, kill the enemies at the spawn at overwhelming odds, and then you complain they suicide?. What is the point of fighting 2 vs 10 ? That you get your farm damage and kills at no cost?

*FACEPALM* What were we suppose to do? Just wait on our side until they finished ejecting all of their mechs, thus missing out our match scores? Cause that would be idiotic.

[Black Ivan]

The Basilisk, on 29 December 2017 - 01:58 AM, said:

You would be right if PGI wouldn't have made this an explicit public event for everyone you have to participate to get the goodies aka mechs.
So they actually tailored the events in FP mode in such a way that the Units and premade groups who should have been the primary target group of FP became the main problem for the majority of players.
So the reportable, offending side was actually MS that keeps molesting the overwhelming majority of players that just want to farm their matchscore without getting bothered by such predators.

So, no, I don't see FP targeted primarily towards Units anymore.
And with Solaris Units will soon become a thing of the past.
Its the temporarely existing player associations/teams that will become the thing of the future.

Very well said and o true. If FW should survive the mode has to change or let it die
.

Now happens what PGI get's what sow with their bad FW design

Edited by Black Ivan, 29 December 2017 - 05:05 AM.