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[Brain Cancer]

El Bandito, on 02 January 2018 - 11:14 PM, said:

Unfortunately yes. Luckily the tightened MM makes it much harder for us to meet T4s.

Too bad that thanks to the PSR system, there's more than enough people in T3 to make you wish you could just banish people to Smash Hell with nothing more than rageface and salt-powered cannons. Because booooy, is there a lot of reasons for those at the top.

[El Bandito]

Brain Cancer, on 02 January 2018 - 11:18 PM, said:

Too bad that thanks to the PSR system, there's more than enough people in T3 to make you wish you could just banish people to Smash Hell with nothing more than rageface and salt-powered cannons. Because booooy, is there a lot of reasons for those at the top.

It is basically necessary evil at this point, so most of the time I just shrug and say "puglife", in Solo-Q and FP. This event though, is raising scrubiness to a whole new level, and testing my patience.

Edited by El Bandito, 02 January 2018 - 11:42 PM.

[Vellron2005]

Tier 1 is totally overrated..

Just saying..

Better matches in lower tiers, and much less toxicity..

[Xetelian]

UnofficialOperator, on 02 January 2018 - 10:46 PM, said:

How is this an elitist thing to say? Please explain.

Elitism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elitism
https://www.merriam-...tionary/elitism

Thinking you're above being in matches with people because you're good at the game is elitism.
Elitism = Snobbery.



A guy running head first in the enemy team at the start of every match in a fast mech or the guy hiding in the back with LRMs in a SNV A that doesn't help the team when they need to is frustrating.


But I'm a tier 2 founder with 10,000 games and I don't do that.

My aim isn't great.
My builds aren't amazing.
My mech choices aren't great.
My computer is old as ****.
My monitor is small.
My eyesight is poor.
My excuses are vast.

But I try.

I listen to people when they say things in comms. I read what people type. I stick with the team and push when people say to push, often dying first in an assault mech in solo queue after soaking up all the damage I could and dishing out as much as possible.

And I don't deserve to breathe the same air as everyone else because I haven't yet floated to the top? You know what else floats to the top?

[El Bandito]

Xetelian, on 03 January 2018 - 12:30 AM, said:

My aim isn't great.
My builds aren't amazing.
My mech choices aren't great.
My computer is old as ****.
My monitor is small.
My eyesight is poor.
My excuses are vast.

But I try.

I listen to people when they say things in comms. I read what people type. I stick with the team and push when people say to push, often dying first in an assault mech in solo queue after soaking up all the damage I could and dishing out as much as possible.

And I don't deserve to breathe the same air as everyone else because I haven't yet floated to the top? You know what else floats to the top?

At least you reached T2, unlike some who are still stuck in even lower tiers. To be honest, if the PSR system actually worked as I wished, anyone with average WLR below 1:1 across all 18 seasons shouldn't be paired with me in QP. Playing with and against them are both not fun due to skill gap. But I stay patient, call the matches, trying to make the best out of worst situation. And yet there are some pugs that are clearly beyond salvation, and clearly have no business doing what they do, which is not only unfun, but frustrating. And they came out in droves during this event.

As for excuses, my eyesight is worse than most, my age is older than most within the community, my ping is higher than most, my PC is 8 years old, and I have family to take care of. Yet I can get to where I am.

Edited by El Bandito, 03 January 2018 - 01:10 AM.

[Xetelian]

El Bandito, on 03 January 2018 - 01:02 AM, said:

As for excuses, my eyesight is worse than most, my age is older than most within the community, my ping is higher than most, my PC is 8 years old, and I have family to take care of. Yet I can get to where I am.

Yes, but is your **** small?

My tiny **** keeps me out of the higher tiers.

[El Bandito]

Xetelian, on 03 January 2018 - 01:18 AM, said:

Yes, but is your **** small?

My tiny **** keeps me out of the higher tiers.

My **** is definitely small. Cause it doesn't screw over my teammates.

[arcana75]

Jay Leon Hart, on 02 January 2018 - 10:46 AM, said:

My journey from Tier 5 to Tier 2 (nearly Tier 1, I do not want to move any higher, PGIPLZ!?)

My W/L & K/D were both somewhere between 0.6 & 0.8 before PSR and Tiers were introduced.

Interesting website! Thanks for the link. Apparently I'm also in the 81th percentile, with an adjusted score of also 253.4. Mad coincidence or bug in website?

Wow I'm approaching a thousand games.

[justcallme A S H]

^ and to think if you are in T3 with a avg match score of 253 @ 81st percentile - just HOW BAD is the rest of the community type thing.

And not having a go at you - just saying T3 / 250avg match score puts you 81st overall.

[UnofficialOperator]

Xetelian, on 03 January 2018 - 12:30 AM, said:

Elitism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elitism
https://www.merriam-...tionary/elitism

Thinking you're above being in matches with people because you're good at the game is elitism.
Elitism = Snobbery.

Lol no. I can't speak for the rest but it gets tiring having to carry pilots who are bad all the time.

I mean I wouldn't mind having you on the opposite team. Nobody is saying you can't play. Just be on the opposite team.

I also think its hypocrisy to say that you don't want competent players to be on your team.

Who wants a pilot who is a perennial loser on your team?

How is that being an elitist?

Its like saying you don't want Michael Jordan to be on your team.

Its a competitive team game with a scoring system.

Edited by UnofficialOperator, 03 January 2018 - 05:52 AM.

[Mole]

ITT saying you don't want bad players to drag down your team = elitism

[ANOM O MECH]

Xetelian, on 03 January 2018 - 12:30 AM, said:

Elitism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elitism
https://www.merriam-...tionary/elitism

Thinking you're above being in matches with people because you're good at the game is elitism.
Elitism = Snobbery.



A guy running head first in the enemy team at the start of every match in a fast mech or the guy hiding in the back with LRMs in a SNV A that doesn't help the team when they need to is frustrating.


But I'm a tier 2 founder with 10,000 games and I don't do that.

My aim isn't great.
My builds aren't amazing.
My mech choices aren't great.
My computer is old as ****.
My monitor is small.
My eyesight is poor.
My excuses are vast.

But I try.

I listen to people when they say things in comms. I read what people type. I stick with the team and push when people say to push, often dying first in an assault mech in solo queue after soaking up all the damage I could and dishing out as much as possible.

And I don't deserve to breathe the same air as everyone else because I haven't yet floated to the top? You know what else floats to the top?

If you think that wanting to be matched up in a game with people at a similar skill level to your own is elitism, no amount of looking up definitions is going to be able to help you.

Elitism would be saying if you are not tier 1 you should uninstall.

I have some of your same excuses though as well as a few of my own;
I am old
Vision going
Had some serious health issuse and the treatment made me sick, shaky, and weak
I am a monstereous sized fella with the fine motor skills you'd expect from a giant
See above and consider my reflexes are probably lower than average

Like you however I try. I actually put effort into improving. After playing for a couple of years, it is also safe to say that I have aquired muscle memory and my experience helps a lot to make up for my lack of reflex. I also sought out and play with people much, much better than I am. I have benefitted much more from playing with them, then they have with me.

So I have no interest in playing against people that are not challenging. I don't want to play with folks who continually do dumb things and not learn and grow from them. Although I love seeing some of the big and well known names, and the challenge it represents to me, I can understand if guys like Proton don't want to be saddled with a patato like me.

This is not elitism. Stretching the definition as you have is similar to screaming ****. It's easy throw out these kind of terms, and quite common these days. No one really wants to labelled an elitist, and you can throw this kind of nonsense into a discussion and derail people's opinion or point by it.

Arguing this way however is low. You are basically name calling and shaming. Seems awfully silly for an adult to be doing to other adults. Really hard to have respect for you if this is how you think it is ok to operate.

[Jay Leon Hart]

arcana75, on 03 January 2018 - 05:34 AM, said:

Interesting website! Thanks for the link. Apparently I'm also in the 81th percentile, with an adjusted score of also 253.4. Mad coincidence or bug in website?

justcallme A S H, on 03 January 2018 - 05:43 AM, said:

^ and to think if you are in T3 with a avg match score of 253 @ 81st percentile - just HOW BAD is the rest of the community type thing.

And not having a go at you - just saying T3 / 250avg match score puts you 81st overall.

The fact that ~80% of the accounts are flagged as inactive skews the data by a rather large amount. There is no way I'm actually in the top 20% Top 40% maybe

[MrMadguy]

El Bandito, on 02 January 2018 - 09:32 AM, said:

You had positive WLR. Why are you so surprised about climbing the tiers?

Just because when I had negative stats - my rating was refusing to drop. And when I managed to achieve stats just a little bit higher, than avg (my avg match score not even >250) - my rating rocketed to Tier 2 within just several matches.

Please explain, why I don't drop back to Tier 4 within just a few days, when my stats are like this. M?

Edited by MrMadguy, 03 January 2018 - 09:32 AM.

[C E Dwyer]

arcana75, on 02 January 2018 - 04:48 AM, said:

Ok so upon joining I see alot of people say the Tier bar is a simple XP bar and everyone eventually climbs to Tier 1 eventually regardless of how bad they are. That could be factually correct, the operative word here being eventually?

I'm aware of a player who only just entered Tier 4 over the new year, and this person has been around since Season 1 of the Leaderboard, although I have no idea when Season 1 was. By my count this pilot has clocked thousands of matches I didn't add it all up but it's several thousands, with recent Seasons clocking over 500 matches.

If I went by what people said here, this pilot ought to be in Tier 1 by now. However as I stated this pilot just crossed Tier 4 over the new year. And not by design too, ie intentionally throwing matches. Scores aren't bad either, season 18 over 300+ matches average score of 200+.

If the Tier bar is merely an XP bar, then no matter how slow the climb shouldn't this pilot be at least Tier 3 or 2 or even 1 by now, and not just crossing into Tier 4 after 19 seasons?

Depends on how many games you play each season..

There is a certain level of ability needed, but basically if you can, open a door, talking to someone, while drunk, and not hit yourself in the face with it. then your likely to increase in tier if you play enough games.

[JediPanther]

UnofficialOperator, on 02 January 2018 - 10:46 PM, said:

You mean be a self entitled ******* that doesn't give a rat's *** about the other 11 pilots on your team that in good faith are also depending on you and the rest to do their best to win the game. Because your satisfaction is most important over the rest right?

When we play a team based game, even if the teamwork is forced upon us, I believe we have a responsibility, a social contract, to do our best and try to win the game. If not, don't click the match button. Otherwise playing in bad faith, you're just an ***.

Like I said I don't give a **** any more. I was all for team play and occasional I do be the spotting light. You know the poor ***** out risking his *** behind enemy lines giving grid locations,mech types,uavs,narcs and what do I get for risking my ***? Low pice of **** match score,low damage score, hardly and c-bills because of **** man we all know how much capturing a conquest pays out more than shooting the enemy...


You waste the time and effort you invested in the match. I've only wasted time I could have been playing other games,working another job, spending time with my kids, but thanks for taking an interest in how I choose to spend my time.

And most importantly...

You lose earning cbills going towards your next Mech...

Because what is the ultimate goal of this f2p lobby shooter???

It is to collect mechs.

And if you stop us from collecting mechs....

It's a ******* computer game. You play it for FUN. No one forces you to collect or buy any thing. Hence that f2p part.
You are no friend of Mechwarrior. **** you. I've paid my share for mechs with real money if not more than you have *****. I blame pgi's poor choices of how they spent the money they got from me.

You don't like the way people choose to do things you just have to suck it up. I don't like the way my boss can come off at work when times get stressful and in a rush but I won't be a ***** about it as I need the income.

[UnofficialOperator]

JediPanther, on 03 January 2018 - 01:44 PM, said:

You don't like the way people choose to do things you just have to suck it up. I don't like the way my boss can come off at work when times get stressful and in a rush but I won't be a ***** about it as I need the income.

Altering my quote is a **** move. So immature. And you don't address anything at all.

And lol I'm a legendary founder too and I've paid for my share of mechs. What does that have to do with anything???

But I guess you can only put up as much of a fight on forums as ingame eh?

Edited by UnofficialOperator, 03 January 2018 - 05:07 PM.

[JediPanther]

UnofficialOperator, on 03 January 2018 - 05:05 PM, said:

Altering my quote is a **** move. So immature. And you don't address anything at all.

And lol I'm a legendary founder too and I've paid for my share of mechs. What does that have to do with anything???

But I guess you can only put up as much of a fight on forums as ingame eh?

I need not address anything from an *******. Mwo is a game and I play it how ever I want regardless of your perceived notion of how it is a team game and how you think every one must be a team player. Until you physically mail me a check that I can cash to pay my internet bill I let no person online tell me how to play or not to play a computer game on my own machine.

If pgi wanted the game to be more team focused other than death match area they have the past six years of data to mine on how to do it. Their failures of poorly implemented design modes and poorly executed game mechanics(long tom, vip atlas etc) is all their responsibility.

I could do that whole solaris 1 vs 1 thing but then I'd be more likely to strip my mech of all but one armor and just stand there. You can jerk off to the screen shots or video recording of your mech destroying mine. I really don't give a dam as that proves nothing at all except you blew up a mech I piloted. No team in solaris to fight with there. Only you.

[El Bandito]

MrMadguy, on 03 January 2018 - 09:29 AM, said:

Just because when I had negative stats - my rating was refusing to drop. And when I managed to achieve stats just a little bit higher, than avg (my avg match score not even >250) - my rating rocketed to Tier 2 within just several matches.

Please explain, why I don't drop back to Tier 4 within just a few days, when my stats are like this. M?

That's only 21 matches total. You need to suck more in order to fall down a tier.

Jay Leon Hart, on 03 January 2018 - 09:25 AM, said:

The fact that ~80% of the accounts are flagged as inactive skews the data by a rather large amount. There is no way I'm actually in the top 20% Top 40% maybe

Nah, there are indeed over 40K active players in MWO (active as in they log in at least once per two weeks), and you are indeed better than 80% of those. The potato farm is vast. But I personally only care about matching with the top 5%.

Edited by El Bandito, 03 January 2018 - 05:40 PM.

[UnofficialOperator]

JediPanther, on 03 January 2018 - 05:21 PM, said:

I need not address anything from an *******. Mwo is a game and I play it how ever I want regardless of your perceived notion of how it is a team game and how you think every one must be a team player. Until you physically mail me a check that I can cash to pay my internet bill I let no person online tell me how to play or not to play a computer game on my own machine.

If pgi wanted the game to be more team focused other than death match area they have the past six years of data to mine on how to do it. Their failures of poorly implemented design modes and poorly executed game mechanics(long tom, vip atlas etc) is all their responsibility.

I could do that whole solaris 1 vs 1 thing but then I'd be more likely to strip my mech of all but one armor and just stand there. You can jerk off to the screen shots or video recording of your mech destroying mine. I really don't give a dam as that proves nothing at all except you blew up a mech I piloted. No team in solaris to fight with there. Only you.

Guys guys! I found 1!