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[Eirik Eriksson]

marcusmaximus55, on 20 January 2018 - 10:34 AM, said:

already deleted just thought those players that don't know they are paying big cash for "seal beating" and the FAKE F2p
format is a lie, hopefully at least one other new player will say" that's how this game works"is that even legal for the company to break its own ula agreement?? OOOHHHH and there derps have been VERY busy trying to stay ahead of the truth about there product it is after all a multi million dollar industry "ripe for the pickn, cause they can"

Sorry to hear that, the game is not easily learnt even if you have old experience and played a lot of QP games before you went into FP. It took me a good amount of time to grasp the fp, and of course I built all the OP mechs for the time but - I rebuilt them all to fit my own playstyle. Tried to get the most out of my mechs even if I was beeing set off in coms. Made up a goal for my performance and grinded it until I got there.

This has always been my goal in any game. Never let the team down, even if soloing, and below 50% of the team performance I use to see as a failure on my part. However you need to weigh your avialible time in relation to what you intend to achieve in a game. Remember - many of the FP players are "old foxes" and are not easily dealt with.

[TWIAFU]

marcusmaximus55, on 20 January 2018 - 10:28 AM, said:

pssst like I said yer pirhanass server has pre rigged the match for pawgs 8 to fight 14 man presets in all game modes(well theres only 2 game modes havent seen any one que for 3rd not working highend game que game)... is ther a game mode in MWO that isn't $ based ?? ie okay your 12 man and my 12 pawgs go at it in any match same trial mechs that's called skill based play ... dropping12 newbs into apre made sealstomp is faming the playerbase for the pay to plays to have easy time (ooohhh and OP mech players with skill shoudnt have to "birddog" there own team to make sure that the match doesnt last longer tan 2.5 minutes or FFing/legging/using "voice synch" to change there voice as they march u to F6 for anotherwipe) unless they think they got a new $$$ recruit in the midst. OOOHH I said 8 pawgs and 14 pros didn't I ya figured out "padding the matches" is pretty much standard as well. as posted in other posts by your "veteran" player base.
so at what point do the games reps or ula state that "your skill in this game is pointless"
1 buy several mechs ($200 cash)
2 get in a unit
3 grind needlessly for nothing BUT keep buying those new mechs to stay "skill competitive"
4 or don't play if your not $

marcusmaximus55, on 20 January 2018 - 12:43 PM, said:

so u do know about the ethics of this game. that's very sad would hope the player base woudnt condone allowing a company to treat its customers that way and its not just FP matches but all matches this game has a pre determined before que by server. so again I say "this game has no basis for saying it requires skill" because it doesn't (patapon 1 requires more skill than MWO) and that team play is crucial ... it isn't ... (why do they need 12 hero mechs plus "birddogging" AND "padding" the matches) to kill 8 to 10 "new players" in trial mechs ... that actually win rarely ... look under article in these forums on "seal beating" written up on how to maximize your 2.5 minute match against newplayers ... and if that is the team U want to be on more power to u...
if the ula had said anything about "first buy mechs/second join unit/third go farm newer players/ fourth if u don't buy mechs u aren't skilled enough quite now" I NEVER would have wasted my time to download this game. didn't 64 players get banned from this game for "breaking the rules" . the same rules that are now (well and back the) being broken every match ?? so your sympathy is not sincere its as shallow as this game unfortunately (still not sure where you get "this game requires skill" from" i was in a match pawg and there was an 8 year old kid just started playing in a trial mech .... seemed to have more piloting ability than the MECHcon derps

marcusmaximus55, on 20 January 2018 - 10:34 AM, said:

already deleted just thought those players that don't know they are paying big cash for "seal beating" and the FAKE F2p
format is a lie, hopefully at least one other new player will say" that's how this game works"is that even legal for the company to break its own ula agreement?? OOOHHHH and there derps have been VERY busy trying to stay ahead of the truth about there product it is after all a multi million dollar industry "ripe for the pickn, cause they can"

marcusmaximus55, on 20 January 2018 - 10:40 AM, said:

OOOHHH u mean the dumb faction thing match OOOHHHHH ..... y a got to teir 4 ghost clan in 1 week by stomping yer pre made BS yaaaaa with pugs , we just didn't listen to your comm dervs (now how did a rag tag pawg WHHOOOOPPPPP the crap out of several pre made matches) yup pre made matches winners already determined before match. we kicked there unskilled overpriced pretty mechs asss with trial mechs cause ya really just cant buy skill mic drop

marcusmaximus55, on 20 January 2018 - 12:00 PM, said:

you had to do more good cop bad cop like every other post here that IS being heavily monitored. instead of actually addressing
the actual problem. look at the other posts on this forum page Tai Shu about "newbs" or as we humans call ourselves "new players" and not any froth here ... Anyone that has played mmos can pickup this sad excuse of a "pay to win" games" jargen rather quickly cause theres not a lot to learn aim push push mouse key 1 or 2 and use basic keyboard no "real skill at all" the phrases I am using in quotes are this games terminology that MOST players are familiar with:
1"seal beating" server allows 8 new players in trial mechs to match while the other 14 players the server allows in are PAY TO PLAY in hero. the pro mechs hunt them down. and just incase u haven't actually played this sham of a game u would now that the other 4 pros are actually "bird calling" there friends over to there known loc on map (ie where u guys want to get wiped at saddle hll or tunnel??)
2 "bird calling" what I just described above a higher end team knows exactly where the trial team is ... doesn't require any skills at all to wipe the newer players out but those hero mechs sure take a lot of skill points to level ..dnt the ,)
3 "comms" the players that have head sets giving instructions on where to go
4 and just incase "mech" the virtual models that ... nevermind ... I doubt u know what a mech

Edited by TWIAFU, 20 January 2018 - 12:51 PM.

[TWIAFU]

fenomeno, on 20 January 2018 - 06:31 AM, said:

I think one of the main problems with FP for new players, is that new players are never told how to play the mode. Most people

Then new players should actually read the warning when it pops up and not just click OK.

It is clearly laid out what to expect.

Who's fault is it for not paying attention to a big fat warning box?

[Eirik Eriksson]

TWIAFU, on 20 January 2018 - 11:53 AM, said:

Thank you for showing your latest purchase, however I could think of much better versions for my wife.

[marcusmaximus55]

you had to do more good cop bad cop like every other post here that IS being heavily monitored. instead of actually addressing
the actual problem. look at the other posts on this forum page Tai Shu about "newbs" or as we humans call ourselves "new players" and not any froth here ... Anyone that has played mmos can pickup this sad excuse of a "pay to win" games" jargen rather quickly cause theres not a lot to learn aim push push mouse key 1 or 2 and use basic keyboard no "real skill at all" the phrases I am using in quotes are this games terminology that MOST players are familiar with:
1"seal beating" server allows 8 new players in trial mechs to match while the other 14 players the server allows in are PAY TO PLAY in hero. the pro mechs hunt them down. and just incase u haven't actually played this sham of a game u would now that the other 4 pros are actually "bird calling" there friends over to there known loc on map (ie where u guys want to get wiped at saddle hll or tunnel??)
2 "bird calling" what I just described above a higher end team knows exactly where the trial team is ... doesn't require any skills at all to wipe the newer players out but those hero mechs sure take a lot of skill points to level ..dnt the ,)
3 "comms" the players that have head sets giving instructions on where to go
4 and just incase "mech" the virtual models that ... nevermind ... I doubt u know what a mech

[Johnathan Tanner]

marcusmaximus55, on 20 January 2018 - 10:40 AM, said:

OOOHHH u mean the dumb faction thing match OOOHHHHH ..... y a got to teir 4 ghost clan in 1 week by stomping yer pre made BS yaaaaa with pugs , we just didn't listen to your comm dervs (now how did a rag tag pawg WHHOOOOPPPPP the crap out of several pre made matches) yup pre made matches winners already determined before match. we kicked there unskilled overpriced pretty mechs asss with trial mechs cause ya really just cant buy skill mic drop

WTF did I just read?

[Eirik Eriksson]

TWIAFU, on 20 January 2018 - 11:58 AM, said:

Then new players should actually read the warning when it pops up and not just click OK.

It is clearly laid out what to expect.

Who's fault is it for not paying attention to a big fat warning box?

Status que, like the music, never liked the sounding of the word.

[Eirik Eriksson]

TWIAFU, on 20 January 2018 - 11:58 AM, said:

Then new players should actually read the warning when it pops up and not just click OK.

It is clearly laid out what to expect.

Who's fault is it for not paying attention to a big fat warning box?

Lol, how many newer players will not? Especially if you have been triggered with an event with good rewards?

[Lovas]

Johnathan Tanner, on 20 January 2018 - 12:02 PM, said:

WTF did I just read?

Its a troll account Tanner. He made it today for no reason other than to waste your time reading his replies.

[marcusmaximus55]

so u do know about the ethics of this game. that's very sad would hope the player base woudnt condone allowing a company to treat its customers that way and its not just FP matches but all matches this game has a pre determined before que by server. so again I say "this game has no basis for saying it requires skill" because it doesn't (patapon 1 requires more skill than MWO) and that team play is crucial ... it isn't ... (why do they need 12 hero mechs plus "birddogging" AND "padding" the matches) to kill 8 to 10 "new players" in trial mechs ... that actually win rarely ... look under article in these forums on "seal beating" written up on how to maximize your 2.5 minute match against newplayers ... and if that is the team U want to be on more power to u...
if the ula had said anything about "first buy mechs/second join unit/third go farm newer players/ fourth if u don't buy mechs u aren't skilled enough quite now" I NEVER would have wasted my time to download this game. didn't 64 players get banned from this game for "breaking the rules" . the same rules that are now (well and back the) being broken every match ?? so your sympathy is not sincere its as shallow as this game unfortunately (still not sure where you get "this game requires skill" from" i was in a match pawg and there was an 8 year old kid just started playing in a trial mech .... seemed to have more piloting ability than the MECHcon derps

[TWIAFU]

Slow Speed, on 20 January 2018 - 11:59 AM, said:

Thank you for showing your latest purchase, however I could think of much better versions for my wife.

I like her red frilly one, it is my favorite.

Slow Speed, on 20 January 2018 - 12:18 PM, said:

Lol, how many newer players will not? Especially if you have been triggered with an event with good rewards?

Who fault is it STILL for not reading a big fat warning box?

Mine? Yours? PGIs? Greed?

Or does sole liability rest with the person that clicked "OK"?

[Eirik Eriksson]

TWIAFU, on 20 January 2018 - 12:49 PM, said:

I like her red frilly one, it is my favorite.

Oh, however bad it might sound we seem to have similar taste.

Who fault is it STILL for not reading a big fat warning box?

Mine? Yours? PGIs? Greed?

Or does sole liability rest with the person that clicked "OK"?

No the fault is not anyone´s playing this game - of course it isnt!

Yours should be a negative!
Mine should be a negaive!
PGI should be a possitive!
Greed should be a negative!

[ANOM O MECH]

Reza Malin, on 20 January 2018 - 03:11 AM, said:

Made this point several times before, same arguments pop up, mostly active units/players telling people to git gud, git voice comms, turn up to "training sessions", blah de blah. Things that switch most normal people off almost immediately.

Its pointless, this discussion will go nowhere. Ever.

It needs a huge revamp now, which it will never get. Its dead. PGI messed up in allowing units so much power over the entire game mode as the population dwindled. Being able to swap actions so easily didn't help, and allowing the population to decrease through inaction was the nail in the coffin. Its too late to change any of it now because people start crying "but muh fwends, but muh other faction mechs".

Now the population is so low, it essentially revolves around the same people who are all in on MWO, and barely any other games. They mostly all know each other regardless of unit, and will often play in pre mades through TS servers etc. People who just love clocking in as much as possible regardless of wait times or population, and probably don't play many other games. Just leave them to it.

Because if a 12 man of pugs, or even an average group turns up to feed them, so much the better, they then justify crapping all over them and keeping the new player experience at sub zero with....wait for it....having to wait longer due to low populations. Its a neverending circle of elitist circlejerk and new/average player dissatisfaction.

Hence why these discussions come around every so often.

Let it go. FP is dead and buried. Enjoy QP like 90% of the playerbase does, and hope Battletech and MW5 are good.

If not, then plenty of other good games coming in 2018! Roll on Tomb Kings Tuesday!

This is the mode that is designed for units.

New players don't belong, it says so in the warning.

While the population is low, it is for the entire game.

So in a way yes, it would be better to play the mode that is meant for coordinated units until the game dies out. That it has hung on this long is a small miracle and we have at least another year.

These discussions come around so often because of people complaining and wanting the mode to cater to the same crowd as quick play...

Last night I dropped from around 5pm until 1am with my unit (BCMC) and we only faced two pug groups. One of those groups while not all the same unit, were a group of regulars and it actually was one of the better matches.

I have to say I also gained a bunch of respect for the bunch of Marik pilots who cued up without hesitation three times in a row to face us.

So if last night is the result of these forums, or drop zone farming, or whatever, than great.

Getting to play against other organised units is exactly what this mode is about, and it is what it is at its best.

So I will be grateful if you move on to whatever great game is coming out and stop trying to push or complain to PGI to change the mode for solo player. There is quick play for that.

[Eirik Eriksson]

Lovas, on 20 January 2018 - 12:40 PM, said:

Its a troll account Tanner. He made it today for no reason other than to waste your time reading his replies.

Just checked, Think you have just lost your credibility.

[K O Z A K]

Roland09, on 20 January 2018 - 11:07 AM, said:

I understand that English may not be this person's first language. Can somebody please assist and try to form coherent sentences from this frothing outburst of Clan gibberish?

no no, leave him to it, pure gold

[ANOM O MECH]

Slow Speed, on 20 January 2018 - 01:33 PM, said:

Just checked, Think you have just lost your credibility.

What did you check?

The aforementioned player has a profile you can check. Care to guess when it says it was created?

Now what is confusing is this 'player' has currently 339 matches in season 19 (current season).

Good chance that this is due to a name change, but not sure.

Either way it is fishy and Lovas has a point.

Have to give to marcus or whatever his name is... I have never seen anyone with a .11 kdr.

I mean when I was brand new I hit .5 but .11 is something very, very special.

[Eirik Eriksson]

Hazeclaw, on 20 January 2018 - 01:44 PM, said:

no no, leave him to it, pure gold

That was not a nice comment, pls rephrase.

Edited by Slow Speed, 20 January 2018 - 01:51 PM.

[Eirik Eriksson]

tker 669, on 20 January 2018 - 01:48 PM, said:

What did you check?

The aforementioned player has a profile you can check. Care to guess when it says it was created?

Now what is confusing is this 'player' has currently 339 matches in season 19 (current season).

Good chance that this is due to a name change, but not sure.

Either way it is fishy and Lovas has a point.

Have to give to marcus or whatever his name is... I have never seen anyone with a .11 kdr.

I mean when I was brand new I hit .5 but .11 is something very, very special.

Redicule, either I lost my mind or you are just playing some game on the thread!

[Deathlike]

fenomeno, on 20 January 2018 - 06:31 AM, said:

I think one of the main problems with FP for new players, is that new players are never told how to play the mode. Most people are not the type of people who will go out of their way to spend hours and hours looking for guides/units/TS servers, etc.

If I log into any other 'complicated and competitive' online multiplayer (LoL, Dota 2, any Blizzard game) I'm immediately directed with links and references in the actual game client to help me play - beginner guides, build and strategy guides, both in the game client directly, or 3rd party community sites / Twitch streams / Youtube that are endorsed and advertised by the game client / game launcher.

the MWO client has the pop-up advertising in-game events or sale weekends - why can't it also have a page showing a community guide to Faction Play tactics? Or a link to the recruitment forum and advice not to play solo? Maybe some guides on the most successful mech builds of the season from the top units?

Couple that with some sort of incentive for new/bad players to play FP 'properly' e.g. XP/credit bonus while in a group (Heroes of the Storm does this very well), more FP weekend with rewards based around groups / using non-LRM weapons...

I'm not sure that artificially forcing existing / good players to have a worse experience is ever going to help, which is what the discussion here seems to revolve around.

The stuff you have posted here makes too much sense; I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

With respect to PGI and CW/FP, what you have said is considered Lostech.

[K O Z A K]

Slow Speed, on 20 January 2018 - 01:50 PM, said:

That was not a nice comment, pls rephrase.

sry, ok here we go:

Please allow this individual to continue posting his incredibly insightful, balanced and quite humorously presented opinions in the same manner he has so far. It is a joy to read.