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[TriggerHappyPacifist]

I played for over an hour this evening in Arctic Cheetah and Timberwolf. maybe 6 matches, and not a single win. Friday I played 2+hours before my first win. About 11 straight losses.

How is this even possible? Even if I am the worst MWO player of all time, I am only 1 of 12. Even AFK my team should win once in a while? I was tier 4 but this has happened so much lately that I've dropped to tier 3, and probably on my way to tier 2.

I am rarely the first to die, but I play very aggressively. I racked up over 300 dmg in the Arctic Cheetah twice tonight, and still lost, so I am not terrible - I do contribute.

I really like the game, but to lose sooooo much is seriously depressing.

<sigh>

[Zergling]

You have to learn to ignore the losses, because you will get looooooots of losing streaks in MWO.

[FireStoat]

At the moment with the event going on, a large number of players are simply charging in to do about 250 damage and punch out in an explosion to rush to the next game with a different mech to scam on loot bags. All I can suggest is to stick close to the larger mechs on your team, attempt to focus fire, and just do your best. It's kind of a mess in quick drops right now.

[Wil McCullough]

300 damage isn't terrible but it isn't exactly great nowadays with the amount of airstrikes going on. Place two good airstrikes on a bunch of enemies and you're practically at 300 damage already without having fired a shot.

That being said, streaks happen. Most of the time, the effect is more pronounced when there's events going on. Like right now. Events cause potato players to come out of the ground to chase a shiny. Most of the time, that means none or very few of the pilots in your matches are trying to win. They will lose a thousand times over to get their hands on a new warhorn.

My advice is this: if you're getting teamed consistently with players who are playing for a warhorn and not for a win, log out. Stop playing. You'll only get more tilted. Play something else for the night and try again the next day.

Better yet, find a great unit to drop with. If wins are what you're looking for, nothing pushes kdr abd wlr up better than dropping with a coordinated team in gp. Teamwork is really op in this game. It's like clubbing seals, really. You should look at my stats. I played 10 games one season, all of them in group queue with a full team. 5.0 wlr and 8.4 kdr. Was ridiculously easy to do.

[Dragonporn]

Shmoken, on 18 March 2018 - 10:11 PM, said:

I was tier 4 but this has happened so much lately that I've dropped to tier 3, and probably on my way to tier 2.

Uhh, what?... And yeah, try other mechs when you're in lose streak.

[PocketYoda]

This game by mechanics is depressing.. Really depressing, kind of odd for a game to make customers angry and upset just by playing it but its MWO... horrible match maker, stupidly broken PSR, horrible balanced weapons and consumables that destroy the game, do not make a nice fun game..

MWO is what it is but do not expect fun here, its not designed with fun in mind.. its all money/meta/competitive BS these days.

Edited by Samial, 18 March 2018 - 10:54 PM.

[Roland Skinner]

If the chances of winning each match was 0.5, you should expect very roughly that every 2000 matches you would be starting an 11-match losing streak. Actually, since MWO has > 2000 players, _someone_ is probably in a 11-match losing streak at any time.

Sucks when its you (I know the feeling).

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Shmoken, on 18 March 2018 - 10:11 PM, said:

I played for over an hour this evening in Arctic Cheetah and Timberwolf. maybe 6 matches, and not a single win. Friday I played 2+hours before my first win. About 11 straight losses.

How is this even possible? Even if I am the worst MWO player of all time, I am only 1 of 12. Even AFK my team should win once in a while? I was tier 4 but this has happened so much lately that I've dropped to tier 3, and probably on my way to tier 2.

I am rarely the first to die, but I play very aggressively. I racked up over 300 dmg in the Arctic Cheetah twice tonight, and still lost, so I am not terrible - I do contribute.

I really like the game, but to lose sooooo much is seriously depressing.

<sigh>

T3 is higher rank than T4, you're actually moving up even on losses apparently.

Teams in MWO are notorious for being bad, absolutely terrible in the early tiers, you can't rely on them whatsoever. Could always look to group up with friends or find an already established player group that does well and have wins for days. Playing with my friends in group queue we'll have nights without a single loss at times, usually only a couple throughout the average night with just a 4 man team. Though we do communicate with the other players, so we're all working together.

Too bad my friend group is always on and off for MWO cycles and we haven't played for awhile waiting for Solaris to drop.

[El Bandito]

Shmoken, on 18 March 2018 - 10:11 PM, said:

How is this even possible? Even if I am the worst MWO player of all time, I am only 1 of 12. Even AFK my team should win once in a while? I was tier 4 but this has happened so much lately that I've dropped to tier 3, and probably on my way to tier 2.

Is you trollin'?

[Old dirty B]

If you do not have the power to lead, direct or at least influence significantly your team and thus the outcome of a match its pretty pointless to expect anything in that regard. In that case you are just 1 out of 12... First focus on your own battles, when you are able to win those widen your scope and play to win the entire match.

Good luck!

[arcana75]

Shmoken, on 18 March 2018 - 10:11 PM, said:

I played for over an hour this evening in Arctic Cheetah and Timberwolf. maybe 6 matches, and not a single win. Friday I played 2+hours before my first win. About 11 straight losses.

How is this even possible? Even if I am the worst MWO player of all time, I am only 1 of 12. Even AFK my team should win once in a while? I was tier 4 but this has happened so much lately that I've dropped to tier 3, and probably on my way to tier 2.

I am rarely the first to die, but I play very aggressively. I racked up over 300 dmg in the Arctic Cheetah twice tonight, and still lost, so I am not terrible - I do contribute.

I really like the game, but to lose sooooo much is seriously depressing.

<sigh>

I empathise. Once you sense a losing streak, switch mech class immediately, eg from a light to a heavy. It changes your MM abit as it has to now put you in a different "bucket" of players.

And to be frank, 300 damage in a ACH, you're doing it wrong. Esp if you have ECM, lasers and MGs.

Edited by arcana75, 19 March 2018 - 01:13 AM.

[Juodas Varnas]

Shmoken, on 18 March 2018 - 10:11 PM, said:

How is this even possible? Even if I am the worst MWO player of all time, I am only 1 of 12. Even AFK my team should win once in a while? I was tier 4 but this has happened so much lately that I've dropped to tier 3, and probably on my way to tier 2.

You do realize that the tiers are in an ascending order? Tier 1 being the highest tier with Tier 5 being the lowest one?

[Sniper09121986]

FireStoat, on 18 March 2018 - 10:21 PM, said:

At the moment with the event going on, a large number of players are simply charging in to do about 250 damage and punch out in an explosion to rush to the next game with a different mech to scam on loot bags. All I can suggest is to stick close to the larger mechs on your team, attempt to focus fire, and just do your best. It's kind of a mess in quick drops right now.

Wil McCullough, on 18 March 2018 - 10:26 PM, said:

Events cause potato players to come out of the ground to chase a shiny. Most of the time, that means none or very few of the pilots in your matches are trying to win. They will lose a thousand times over to get their hands on a new warhorn.

Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood, on 18 March 2018 - 11:29 PM, said:

Teams in MWO are notorious for being bad, absolutely terrible in the early tiers, you can't rely on them whatsoever.

Might as well take advantage of the situation. Change your mech or weight class as advised but feel free to take a meta build along the lines of HBR-PRIME or MCII-1 and zzap them out of their bad ways in one or two good hits (they run a lot better after maxing the cooling nods in Firepower and Operations even without cool shots). They will only tolerate it for so long until they realise they are not able to get even 100 match score.

arcana75, on 19 March 2018 - 01:10 AM, said:

I empathise. Once you sense a losing streak, switch mech class immediately, eg from a light to a heavy. It changes your MM abit as it has to now put you in a different "bucket" of players.

And to be frank, 300 damage in a ACH, you're doing it wrong. Esp if you have ECM, lasers and MGs.

Actually with MG mechs you also need to consider kills, probably more so than damage alone. Case in point:

Spoiler

That would be 123.83 damage per kill, which in OP case is good for 2-3 kills. Way above an average Stackpole plot armor prize hunter.

[Flitzomat]

Shmoken, on 18 March 2018 - 10:11 PM, said:

I am rarely the first to die, but I play very aggressively. I racked up over 300 dmg in the Arctic Cheetah twice tonight, and still lost, so I am not terrible - I do contribute.

You do contribute - but not nearly enough to turn the match into your favour. Looking at your stats I see you are stagnating and there is a lot room for improvement. I advise you to check your loadouts
and watch some streams watch some streams or youtube videos of excellent players.

Try reaching an average Matchscore of at least 300 to have a remarkable influence on the outcome of your games. Around an average match score of 350 you realize how you can swing games around singlehandedly if all works out. Above 400 you are likely to influence the outcome just by the enemy seeing your name in the start screen.

Besides that, loosing streaks just happen if you get stuck in the teams that were raised on the potato fields of Puglandia over and over again.

[Asym]

Alas, another satisfied customer... The event didn't seem lop-sided this time out as a PUG potato? I wonder, if time of day is in play as well? I've said it earlier this event: I haven't seen the Bonzai !!!! charging this time out? I did play 5 or 6 GP's and the level of play in the GP versus the QP was worse as the more experienced players seem to "go out of their way" to generate damage....

Who knows in this really messed up game anymore.... My suggestion: play at a different time.

Edited by Asym, 19 March 2018 - 02:29 AM.

[cougurt]

an average player can certainly contribute, but they may not be able to pick up the slack if someone else isn't contributing or dies prematurely. if you want to win more often, you need to be able to consistently pull more than just your own weight. massive losing streaks will become increasingly rare as you get better and are able to make up for the inevitable mistakes of your teammates, while making fewer mistakes yourself.

[oldradagast]

The game game brutally punishes mistakes as well as aggression, hence the easy with which team members suddenly die and all the hiding behind rocks and wandering around aimlessly a distance from the fight. It can be extremely frustrating since the best course of action is to generally let somebody else get trashed if/when the team starts to move with purpose. If you're "dumb" enough to lead the charge, you'll get smashed and probably die without any kills, even if you do tear up a lot of mechs; so, the best play generally ends up being hiding and poking, even if that isn't any fun and so many mechs and builds are poorly suited for it.

Anyway, I get the OP's frustration. You're 1 of 12 people, it is very easy to be terrible in this game, the game mechanics do not reward what most would consider fun, and the slightly mistake gets you torn apart.

[Yosharian]

You need to provide video of your play before any useful commentary can be made.

[Scyther]

A very similar gaming/MM experience occurs in World of Tanks. Used to get a lot of 'this loss string is impossible!' threads. My personal longest loss string was about 21 matches in a row.

Keep in mind that you are not actually 'only 1 of 12', you are 1 of 24 - the other team is just as important to win/loss as yours. So your personal contribution to the battle is noticeable but is smaller than most people think. Thus, the 'learn to carry harder' advice, while true, is often less than helpful.

Loss strings happen, it is the nature of semi-random match-making. The best way to deal with it is to concentrate on your own play as opposed to the win or loss result. Did you play fairly well? Did you form a plan at the start of the match and stick to it? Did you adjust your plan based on the changing battle circumstances? Did you add a modest amount of C-bills and XP to the pile?

Most importantly, did you have fun? Win or loss result isn't a reflection of your self-worth (which is really the only way it gets depressing), it's a somewhat random condition affected by MM, luck, disconnects, poor connections etc etc. You can't play every match for a win... but you can play them all for fun.

Note: this is not to say 'ignore your own performance'. You should certainly keep an eye on 'what did I do wrong there, and what could I do better?' Just don't get so hung up on win/loss that it ruins the other aspects of each match.

Edited by MadBadger, 19 March 2018 - 04:31 AM.

[Vellron2005]

Shmoken, on 18 March 2018 - 10:11 PM, said:

I was tier 4 but this has happened so much lately that I've dropped to tier 3, and probably on my way to tier 2.

Errr... what? You know you can't drop from T4 to T3.. that's an increase in skill, not a decrease..

You trolling much?

Also.. yeah, had a lot of one-sided matches these last few days, 12:2-3.. Both on my side and on the losing side.. So yeah.. it's been a wild ride..

Also, noticed some bonkers behavior from the game.. random disconnects and lock being lost, even at 200 meters in full view of the target, and the target has no ECM, is standing solo, and I lose the lock?!

So yeah.. some odd game behavior these last few days..

Edited by Vellron2005, 19 March 2018 - 04:47 AM.