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[Mystere]

Papaspud, on 25 April 2018 - 03:23 AM, said:

Metoprolol can be a friend, hahahaha keeps my heart rate waaaaaay down there ...

I can attest to that, even though I am not an old geezer like you folks.

Zergling, on 25 April 2018 - 03:42 AM, said:

No, the only reason you made it to Tier 3 is because PGI gave PSR a very strong upward bias ...

That's rich, coming from a T1.

Edited by Mystere, 25 April 2018 - 09:28 AM.

[Dee Eight]

Those who play a significant amount noticed the degradation in quality that happened as Solaris neared and then arrived, and those who don't play a significant amount haven't noticed it and will deny any such thing has actually happened. Between accounts I am over 400 QP matches and a hundred plus Solaris matches.

Mystere, on 25 April 2018 - 09:26 AM, said:

That's rich, coming from a T1.

He's not wrong though, and remember they re-jigged the formula last year awarding more match score to support work and AMS missile interceptions and less to shear damage totals.

[Mainhunter]

Dude, the best games ever are the ones were no one has a clue. If this would be my game, I would install a dedicated server were coms are forbidden and everyone has ECM. Chaos on the battlefield is the most fun!

[Brain Cancer]

What happened was there's fewer "carry" types that can somewhat mitigate a taterteam, since a lot of those players are in Solaris.

The low-skill players were always there, in ever increasing numbers in fact. It's what diluted them that's not as common.

[MischiefSC]

That's what I'm saying.

3 tiers.

Bucket, water, poo.

You need all 3. Someone has to carry and while water don't carry at least it doesn't stink and it dilutes the poo.

That's the honesty in matchmaking we need.

[Cnaiur]

Brain Cancer, on 25 April 2018 - 10:45 AM, said:

What happened was there's fewer "carry" types that can somewhat mitigate a taterteam, since a lot of those players are in Solaris.

The low-skill players were always there, in ever increasing numbers in fact. It's what diluted them that's not as common.

This seems about right to me. There are still usually at least a few players on each team that can and will reliably punish mistakes, so if you go full derp in T1 games, even in its current, diluted form, you’re gonna get lit up. But there are fewer of those players in QP than there were a month ago. They’ve been replaced with lesser players from lower tiers, which explains the recent outbreak of sub 100 damage games.

[BlueStrat]

Mystere, on 25 April 2018 - 09:26 AM, said:

That's rich, coming from a T1.

No worries, I pay no attention to such people. They're the type of personalities that need to detract from others because they feel inadequate in some way about themselves, either related to the game or some other factor(s) in their lives. Hard to be salty at people you pity.

[Suko]

Humpday, on 24 April 2018 - 12:12 PM, said:

There is also an issue where T1 player that hasn't played in a year...they're Tier never degrades over time...
So that person drops again after having played a year old meta that may or may not work anymore...and is a total potato, not to mention, your skill level drops significantly over time.

So that compounds things.

Luckily though S7 is here so we have the option of side stepping QP for a bit and just rely on yourself in 1v1.

That would be me. I've played 2 matches in the last 8 months. I'm still T1. It sucks because it makes me more hesitant to get back into MWO because I remember how I always had to wear my try hard pants if I wanted to win and I really wish I was back to T3 or something for the first few matches.

Edited by Suko, 25 April 2018 - 02:00 PM.

[K O Z A K]

Suko, on 25 April 2018 - 02:00 PM, said:

That would be me. I've played 2 matches in the last 8 months. I'm still T1. It sucks because it makes me more hesitant to get back into MWO because I remember how I always had to wear my try hard pants if I wanted to win and I really wish I was back to T3 or something for the first few matches.

drop solaris for a bit, it has a brand new pilot rating system that will be blank for you, so essentially you'll go in as a brand new player. It's also good to revisit some fundamentals in shielding, target leading, etc

[Judah Malganis]

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You know I think alot of it depends on the tier your playing in. Many of the issues people are describing don't exist in the QP game I play. LRM's for example aren't all that common when I am dropping QP. I mean yes, sometimes you get LRMaggedon but maybe only once out of 20-30 drops.

Also since Solaris dropped, I have been having more fun with the game than I had in years because it seems people are actually starting to use new tactics and I am even seeing fights taking place in areas of the map we don't normally fight over. instead of rushing the citadel and nascaring we actually decided to hold up on the far side of the river, kind of deep in the city. We sniped them as they cross the river and the fight evolved into a face to face, building to building, chaotic urban brawl that was amazing. We lost in the end but the fight was a close 10-12 kills at the end. Everyone was commenting in chat how awesome of battle it was.

I'm kind of with Victor. I'm not playing many matches but it's all wins in the last few days. If you can convince a few people to follow you and take down a few enemies and start the snowball, the team that's ahead has been really good at mopping up. I think all the 1v1 might be teaching players that their mechs can take a bit more punishment that they initially thought and making some slightly braver. Also, a LRMaggedon on both sides makes it easy for 2-3 enterprising brawlers/strikers to wreak hell on the enemy team, if the LRMers target what the brawlers are fighting.

Edited by Judah Malganis, 25 April 2018 - 03:09 PM.

[Mystere]

Dee Eight, on 25 April 2018 - 09:59 AM, said:

He's not wrong though, and remember they re-jigged the formula last year awarding more match score to support work and AMS missile interceptions and less to shear damage totals.

BlueStrat, on 25 April 2018 - 12:38 PM, said:

No worries, I pay no attention to such people. They're the type of personalities that need to detract from others because they feel inadequate in some way about themselves, either related to the game or some other factor(s) in their lives. Hard to be salty at people you pity.

Guys, lighten up!

it was a joke, a loaded one (), but still a joke.

[Zergling]

Mystere, on 25 April 2018 - 09:26 AM, said:

That's rich, coming from a T1.

Oh I absolutely do not deserve to be a Tier 1 player; I am not 'top tier' by any means, and reaching Tier 1 was no achievement or reflection of skill on my part.

If the Tiers were an actual reflection of skill they'd be like:
Tier 5 = the worst
Tier 4 = the below average
Tier 3 = the average
Tier 2 = the above average
Tier 1 = the best

I'd be Tier 2 at best. But because of the upwards bias, I got shoved into Tier 1.

That other guy though? Based on his stats, he belongs in Tier 4 or 5, not Tier 3. No offence meant, I'm just trying to state it factually as I see it.

BlueStrat, on 25 April 2018 - 12:38 PM, said:

No worries, I pay no attention to such people. They're the type of personalities that need to detract from others because they feel inadequate in some way about themselves, either related to the game or some other factor(s) in their lives. Hard to be salty at people you pity.

Umm... you were bragging about reaching Tier 3, claiming you had abilities that many lack. I'm sorry, but you're wrong; around 90% of the people playing this game can reach Tier 3 or higher, if they play enough battles.

Edited by Zergling, 25 April 2018 - 04:00 PM.

[BlueStrat]

Zergling, on 25 April 2018 - 03:55 PM, said:

Umm... you were bragging about reaching Tier 3, claiming you had abilities that many lack. I'm sorry, but you're wrong; around 90% of the people playing this game can reach Tier 3 or higher, if they play enough battles.

The point was that I did it at around 14-16FPS average, at 60 years old with a senior citzen's reaction times, and with serious physical disabilities that include, among others, very poor vision.

I consider that something to be rightly proud of. I believe it also speaks to having some amount of skill & understanding of the game.

Do you also deride the skills and abilities of amputees that run marathons because they don't lead the pack in front of the healthy and whole 20-somethings?

Edited by BlueStrat, 25 April 2018 - 04:23 PM.

[Zergling]

BlueStrat, on 25 April 2018 - 04:16 PM, said:

The point was that I did it at around 14-16FPS average, at 60 years old with a senior citzen's reaction times, and with serious physical disabilities that include, among others, very poor vision.

I consider that something to be rightly proud of.

Do you also deride the skills and abilities of amputees that run marathons because they don't lead the pack in front of the healthy and whole 20-somethings?

What makes you think other players don't have the same or worse handicaps, including me?

Further, I'm not deriding you; I'm providing a statement of fact, that your achievement isn't because of the reason you claim it to be.
The real reason you reached Tier 3 is because of how badly designed the PSR Tier system is, not because you have an experience or mental superiority over most players.

I apologise if I offended you, as that was not my intent.

Edited by Zergling, 25 April 2018 - 04:37 PM.

[PocketYoda]

Mystere, on 25 April 2018 - 09:17 AM, said:

Unless you're into CW -- and we are talking about solo QP here, right? -- then factions have no meaning.




As for these, their stated purpose is to separate experienced players from new ones, as the current queue population would allow. If people attached more meaning into them than what was intended, that's entirely on those people.

The whole game is unbalanced yes i know the lore states this but for an online game balance is everything..

And PSR no longer separates anything.. as the pop is too small.

[BlueStrat]

Zergling, on 25 April 2018 - 04:17 PM, said:

What makes you think other players don't have the same or worse handicaps, including me?

Further, I'm not deriding you; I'm providing a statement of fact, that your achievement isn't because of the reason you claim it to be.
The real reason you reached Tier 3 is because of how badly designed the PSR Tier system is, not because you have mental superiority over most players.

I apologise if I offended you, as that was not my intent.

If I did not have any skills or prior MW4 experience providing me knowledge that many new players lack of what not to do I would still be in T5, maybe low T4. That's a fact.

As far as offending me, you cannot. I've been on the 'net since the days of dial-up BBS's. My psychic armor is near-impregnable. I'm trying to educate, here.

Yes, there are other players who play with various types and severity of handicaps. Many are in T3 with me and I've a few of them on my friend list. We occasionally share notes. Players like us will typically reach a plateau at some mid-Tier level and remain there much as I've done.

Yes, we are limited. No, we are not potatoes, stupid, or constantly being carried. We simply won't be moving up in Tier once we reach that plateau.

I'm hopeful that Christmas might provide me a better PC so that my physical limitations will be the only thing handicapping my game and I might actually move up a Tier, particularly if I can start playing lights and mediums and do group-drops and maybe even FP.

Edited by BlueStrat, 25 April 2018 - 05:25 PM.

[Zergling]

BlueStrat, on 25 April 2018 - 04:53 PM, said:

If I did not have any skills or prior MW4 experience providing me knowledge that many new players lack of what not to do I would still be in T5, maybe low T4. That's a fact.

And I disagree; your statistical performance puts you in the bottom 15% or lower of the playerbase.

Even for a handicapped person, achieving that level of performance is incredibly easy to achieve. Eg, people have played MWO with their foot, and still achieved performance in the upper 25% range.

BlueStrat, on 25 April 2018 - 04:53 PM, said:

As far as offending me, you cannot. I've been on the 'net since the days of dial-up BBS's. My psychic armor is near-impregnable. I'm trying to educate, here.

You responses sounded like you had been offended /shrug

Edited by Zergling, 25 April 2018 - 05:12 PM.

[BlueStrat]

Zergling, on 25 April 2018 - 05:10 PM, said:

And I disagree; your statistical performance puts you in the bottom 15% or lower of the playerbase.

Even for a handicapped person, achieving that level of performance is incredibly easy to achieve. Eg, people have played MWO with their foot, and still achieved performance in the upper 25% range.

So your saying people with serious handicaps like poor vision and sub-20FPS hardware play with their foot and regularly reach the top 25%?

<citation needed>

Edited by BlueStrat, 25 April 2018 - 05:40 PM.

[Brain Cancer]

Suko, on 25 April 2018 - 02:00 PM, said:

That would be me. I've played 2 matches in the last 8 months. I'm still T1. It sucks because it makes me more hesitant to get back into MWO because I remember how I always had to wear my try hard pants if I wanted to win and I really wish I was back to T3 or something for the first few matches.

And lo, the rusty vet discovered alt accounts, and swam amidst the seals clubbing until he felt at home in his giant robots once more.

[Luminis]

BlueStrat, on 25 April 2018 - 05:38 PM, said:

So your saying people with serious handicaps like poor vision and sub-20FPS hardware play with their foot and regularly reach the top 25%?

&lt;citation needed&gt;

More like, "if people can get into the 25% bracket playing with their feet, people with other handicaps can likely do the same".

It just highlights that MWO isn't very demanding when it comes to mechanical skills, at least not at that level of play.