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[Helsbane]

Viktor Drake, on 14 June 2018 - 02:49 PM, said:

Yay....you got the nerfed mech you wanted. Kudoos to you.



Well I am part of the community and there were dozens of other people, all part of the community that said they didn't want this so the reality is, they didn't listen to the community, just part of it, those who care more about how a mech looks than how it performs. So I call BS on them listening to the community.

Salty Ex-whale.

I didn't purchase the BA because it was some uber try-hard invincible meta mech. I purchased it because I saw the concept art and potential weapon loadouts and my inner nine year old went ballistic. I play for fun, not to take each and every match super cereal because it inflates my woefully inadequate self esteem when I crush everything with my super cereal metabuild, like some salty sea mammals.

[Nightbird]

Just ask for a refund, you'll get it. Leave the players that care about the looks be. PGI will make the right decision next time based on revenue.

[AEgg]

PGI made a pretty bad mistake in setting a precedent of giving refunds for anything, as I see it. You are just buying early access to a mech. You play it even once, you got what you paid for. The only valid terms for a refund would be if the mech crashed your PC on launch or something that made it literally impossible to use.

[Will9761]

I can't wait to see how the Blood Asp will look either way. Sometimes you can't please everybody no matter if you listen or not.

[IllCaesar]

I can see how this is a bit of a nerf for everything but the B and Rancor but for those two, well, this looks like a huge buff due to the second hardpoint weapon being added up to that high mount. Lot of possibilities there.

[Aidan Crenshaw]

I doubt the missile launchers of the rancor will move into the barrel.

[Vellron2005]

I think having the shoulder cannons raised above the head like that is a bad thing, cose' it will be easier to hit...

[MTier Slayed Up]

It's already above the head, slightly. But for coolness factor, I'd like the mech to look like the art as well, even if it makes it poopy, I'd still play it to make it not so poopy and fool everyone.

Edited by DrtyDshSoap, 14 June 2018 - 11:44 PM.

[Luminis]

AEgg, on 14 June 2018 - 04:08 PM, said:

PGI made a pretty bad mistake in setting a precedent of giving refunds for anything, as I see it. You are just buying early access to a mech. You play it even once, you got what you paid for. The only valid terms for a refund would be if the mech crashed your PC on launch or something that made it literally impossible to use.

Setting precedent of changing assets after the purchase has been made with no chance whatsoever to refund it isn't exactly smart, either. Seals a lot of pockets if there's zero security in getting what you paid for, I'd imagine.

Also, a strict "no refunds" policy isn't compliant with EU law, at least.

[Dogstar]

Will9761, on 14 June 2018 - 04:12 PM, said:

I can't wait to see how the Blood Asp will look either way. Sometimes you can't please everybody no matter if you listen or not.

Actually there's a really easy way to fix the problem and satisfy both sides of the community: make the pods work like hatches an Catapults/Archers and claws on Kodiaks - make them animated and have them be a player choice at game time.

Or even make them animated and extend when you fire them (not so good but acceptable)

Edited by Dogstar, 15 June 2018 - 07:53 AM.

[Luminis]

Dogstar, on 15 June 2018 - 07:51 AM, said:

Or even make them animated and extend when you fire them (not so good but acceptable)

A toggle to raise them seems like an incredible unique perk for a Mech. I like that. I want stuff like that in the game. Imagine if Mechs actually had such unique properties.

A guy can dream, right?

[Will9761]

Dogstar, on 15 June 2018 - 07:51 AM, said:

Actually there's a really easy way to fix the problem and satisfy both sides of the community: make the pods work like hatches an Catapults/Archers and claws on Kodiaks - make them animated and have them be a player choice at game time.

Or even make them animated and extend when you fire them (not so good but acceptable)

I don't know what good that will do. The Blood Asp is known for its long barrels, and something like that would be a bit silly. Extending the barrels by choice would be the same way as saying, "Hey, shoot my torsos". I'd still be in favor of increasing the armor of the gun barrels.

Edited by Will9761, 15 June 2018 - 08:29 AM.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Helsbane, on 14 June 2018 - 03:55 PM, said:

I didn't purchase the BA because it was some uber try-hard invincible meta mech. I purchased it because I saw the concept art and potential weapon loadouts and my inner nine year old went ballistic. I play for fun, not to take each and every match super cereal because it inflates my woefully inadequate self esteem when I crush everything with my super cereal metabuild, like some salty sea mammals.

I play for fun too and for me to have fun, the mechs have to be competitive when I drop into a match. I am not some try hard masochist that wants to play at a disadvantage just to show off my elite skills. Also I didn't purchase the additional reinforcement pack and hero based on looks, I purchased based on the solid performance I got out of the standard pack when it was released with the expectation that unless it came up OP, that the mech would not be changed. I absolutely understand that mechs can and do change based on their performance and accept that even when my favorite mech gets nerfed but to nerf a mech just to facilitate a cosmetic change to the mech is unacceptable.

Nightbird, on 14 June 2018 - 03:59 PM, said:

Just ask for a refund, you'll get it. Leave the players that care about the looks be. PGI will make the right decision next time based on revenue.

You know it isn't about the refund to be honest. It is about the how flipping silly this is. I see players wanting all kind of silly things from rompum stompum OP mecha monsters to making Assault mech dance around the battlefield like ballerina's. I have even seen the "Majority" of players ask for things that have quite honestly destroyed the release version of a game, especially back in the days when we had legitimate beta testing going on. The thing is that the devs should know better and shouldn't cave to such sillyness. I mean it isn't hard to see that this change will result in a straight up nerf to the mech and PGI should have nipped that idea in the bud before it even got to this point.

Also I have said it before and I will say it again, no one and I mean no one quit spending money on this game or got their panties in a bunch over the fact the Blood Asp came out with stubby barrels. Sure some people might have perferred it that way but I didn't see one actual, "I am royally torked off" post about the shorten barrels. However there are people, like me who are rip roaring angry at this change, at the sheer stupidy of having to suffer a nerf to a mech we enjoy to play over some stupid cosmetic change that the major have no real strong opinion about. I say majority because I have no doubt in my mind 75% of the people who commented they would prefer the longer barrel look, actually were all the upset over the stubby barrels. The majority of them would have accepted it and moved on, end of story.

Again the devs should have known better. Nerf something with absolutely zero good reason to nerf it and your going to tork people off and that is exact what they did.

[Eisenhorne]

Viktor Drake, on 15 June 2018 - 09:53 AM, said:

...but to nerf a mech just to facilitate a cosmetic change to the mech is unacceptable.

I really wish PGI would just understand that. They destroyed the BNC-3M with their latest change, it's now trash tier while before it was a valid choice in FP. The BLR-1G was faster and more agile, while for 10 tons more a BNC-3M could have longer range and more armor, at a slightly slower speed. But they HAD to change the hardpoint locations, and now the BNC-3M is significantly worse than the BLR-1G, so it's not a viable choice.

Though they are re-doing the BLR's hardpoints with their stupid "retrofits", so watch, they break it's hardpoints too. It's literally the only thing keeping the Inner Sphere competitive against clans at extreme range, if they get rid of it because they want to have a different aesthetic on it I'll be super ticked off.

[Nightbird]

PGI could always give long barrels and 15 ST armor quirks to the non-ECM mechs. Not gonna happen

[Dogstar]

I think what pisses me off about this whole thing is what a big damn lie PGI made when they said 'we listened to your feedback'

WHOSE FEEDBACK DID YOU LISTEN TO! because it certainly wasn't on this forum which is the one place they should be looking - no it's abig fat lie to cover up something else

https://twitter.com/...247061559984129

[Vanguard836]

Dogstar, on 15 June 2018 - 11:23 AM, said:

I think what pisses me off about this whole thing is what a big damn lie PGI made when they said 'we listened to your feedback'

WHOSE FEEDBACK DID YOU LISTEN TO! because it certainly wasn't on this forum which is the one place they should be looking - no it's abig fat lie to cover up something else

https://twitter.com/...247061559984129

Check the same twitter status, how many people approve of it ? It's been pointed out several times in this thread and others, but certain people chose to ignore it to serve their rhetoric.

Viktor Drake, on 15 June 2018 - 09:53 AM, said:

I absolutely understand that mechs can and do change based on their performance and accept that even when my favorite mech gets nerfed but to nerf a mech just to facilitate a cosmetic change to the mech is unacceptable.


You know it isn't about the refund to be honest. It is about the how flipping silly this is. I see players wanting all kind of silly things from rompum stompum OP mecha monsters to making Assault mech dance around the battlefield like ballerina's. I have even seen the "Majority" of players ask for things that have quite honestly destroyed the release version of a game, especially back in the days when we had legitimate beta testing going on. The thing is that the devs should know better and shouldn't cave to such sillyness. I mean it isn't hard to see that this change will result in a straight up nerf to the mech and PGI should have nipped that idea in the bud before it even got to this point.

Also I have said it before and I will say it again, no one and I mean no one quit spending money on this game or got their panties in a bunch over the fact the Blood Asp came out with stubby barrels. Sure some people might have perferred it that way but I didn't see one actual, "I am royally torked off" post about the shorten barrels. However there are people, like me who are rip roaring angry at this change, at the sheer stupidy of having to suffer a nerf to a mech we enjoy to play over some stupid cosmetic change that the major have no real strong opinion about. I say majority because I have no doubt in my mind 75% of the people who commented they would prefer the longer barrel look, actually were all the upset over the stubby barrels. The majority of them would have accepted it and moved on, end of story.

Again the devs should have known better. Nerf something with absolutely zero good reason to nerf it and your going to tork people off and that is exact what they did.

If they never had implemented the stubs in the 1st place and went with the planned model would you still have complained ? Probably not, you'd probably have passed on the re-enforcement pack and perhaps the whole thing and that would have been that.

So you're saying that one really ticked off player's opinion outweighs the many that indicated they were pleased with the upcoming changes ?? They were told very early that the issue would be corrected, they didn't feel the need to get unwound for it but they still said they didn't like it. It's not because they didn't get raving mad that their opinions count any less.

Actually, some didn't buy the pack because it didn't look like the concept and I've seen several indicate that they'd now buy it with the planned changes.
It would also have set the precedence of "what you get might be significantly different than what we show you." and significantly hurt their credibility in delivering what was shown as pre-order ( OK let's not go off topic here because I know some will jump at this line for anything ), hey a portion of people might have said forget pre-orders since X mech won't look like we were shown.

Now it might have closed your wallet off but you already stated you would do so with either this or any nerfing in general so it looks to me like this was a matter of time.

No offence intended, but no game or part of a game should get someone so wound up. Ask for a refund if you want, maybe they can help you, maybe not, but don't get so wound up, don't lose sleep over this.

Edited by Vanguard836, 15 June 2018 - 12:13 PM.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Vanguard836, on 15 June 2018 - 12:12 PM, said:

Check the same twitter status, how many people approve of it ? It's been pointed out several times in this thread and others, but certain people chose to ignore it to serve their rhetoric.

Positive comments: 11 (15 if you include BoB)

Negative comments: 11

Bit-of-both-comments: 4 (mostly "great, but it needs armour/structure buffs")

[Jay Leon Hart]

Vanguard836, on 15 June 2018 - 12:12 PM, said:

If they never had implemented the stubs in the 1st place and went with the planned model would you still have complained ? Probably not, you'd probably have passed on the re-enforcement pack and perhaps the whole thing and that would have been that.

So you're saying that one really ticked off player's opinion outweighs the many that indicated they were pleased with the upcoming changes ?? They were told very early that the issue would be corrected, they didn't feel the need to get unwound for it but they still said they didn't like it. It's not because they didn't get raving mad that their opinions count any less.

Actually, some didn't buy the pack because it didn't look like the concept and I've seen several indicate that they'd now buy it with the planned changes.
It would also have set the precedence of "what you get might be significantly different than what we show you." and significantly hurt their credibility in delivering what was shown as pre-order ( OK let's not go off topic here because I know some will jump at this line for anything ), hey a portion of people might have said forget pre-orders since X mech won't look like we were shown.

If they never released the current model, of course I couldn't be unhappy about this nerf, because it would have released one way and never changed. However, they did release it in the current altered state and I am very happy with it and chose not to cancel my pre-order. Now I am miffed that they are changing it.

Where was anyone told, officially, about these upcoming changes? Then answer is nowhere, it was not officially communicated. No forum post. No announcement on the home page. No splash on the launcher. Just a post on Twitter that got circulated by the fans.

Sure, but many who have no intention of paying £££ for the pack(s) were clamouring for this change, while many paying customers were hoping it wasn't going ahead. So you're saying the opinions of free players are more important than those of paying ones?

I'll test it in game and compare to my performance last season. If it is significantly worse, then refund request. Which will probably not go ahead. So I'll have to cancel the Hellfire & Incubus packs instead. I cancelled my Nightstar, Nova Cat & (most of my) Osiris packs when the Nightstar changes were seemingly going unaddressed, citing my inability to support such business practices (or something on that ilk).

[Luminis]

Jay Leon Hart, on 15 June 2018 - 12:26 PM, said:

Positive comments: 11 (15 if you include BoB)

Negative comments: 11

Bit-of-both-comments: 4 (mostly "great, but it needs armour/structure buffs")

Now, if that's not an overwhelming majority, I don't know what is!