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[Jay Leon Hart]

Vellron2005, on 17 June 2018 - 11:43 PM, said:

That would be like eating a full meal and then saying you're not paying for it, cose' it was to salty..

To use a food analogy (which is flawed because of physical goods, but I'll try);


Imagine ordering lasagne in a restaurant.
Once you've eaten (and enjoyed) half of your lasagne, the chef comes over to your table and replaces your lasagne with moussaka.
When you ask why, they tell you some customers didn't want to order lasagne, they wanted moussaka.
When you ask why you can't just keep the lasagne you ordered, the chef tells you they listened to their (non-paying) customers, and changed the food available.

No-one would ever go to that restaurant more than once.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Vanguard836, on 15 June 2018 - 12:12 PM, said:

If they never had implemented the stubs in the 1st place and went with the planned model would you still have complained ? Probably not, you'd probably have passed on the re-enforcement pack and perhaps the whole thing and that would have been that.

So you're saying that one really ticked off player's opinion outweighs the many that indicated they were pleased with the upcoming changes ?? They were told very early that the issue would be corrected, they didn't feel the need to get unwound for it but they still said they didn't like it. It's not because they didn't get raving mad that their opinions count any less.

See here you make a really good point about the planned model. I likely wouldn't have purchased the reinforcements or hero, in fact that is the point I have been making since I started this thread. I bought those add ons AFTER the mech had been released because of the performance of the released variant of the mech. The point I have been making all along as that AFTER RELEASE, they shouldn't be making cosmetic changes to the mech that end up leaving the mech nerfed.

As for what I am saying is that there are ALOT OF REALLY TICKED OFF PLAYERS who's opinions should have been taken into account, combined with just straight up common sense that you don't intentional nerf a mech due to a cosmetic change that should have nipped the whole idea in the bud.

Finally, yeah I do think the amount of frustration the change will cause should have a whole metric ton of weight on the decision. Let say 70% of the people wanted the change but only 5% would get upset if it wasn't change and only 30% didn't want the change but 25% of them would get royally torked off. Sorry but that 25% pissed off about the change absolutely should outweigh a 5% pissed off without the change. You end up with alot more pissed off players, who quit spending money or quit playing outright and the game as a whole suffer for it. That is just common Business sense.

[Nightbird]

If you ask for a refund you'll get it. Stop wasting time on this and shoot mech up

[Vellron2005]

Jay Leon Hart, on 18 June 2018 - 03:41 AM, said:

To use a food analogy (which is flawed because of physical goods, but I'll try);


Imagine ordering lasagne in a restaurant.
Once you've eaten (and enjoyed) half of your lasagne, the chef comes over to your table and replaces your lasagne with moussaka.
When you ask why, they tell you some customers didn't want to order lasagne, they wanted moussaka.
When you ask why you can't just keep the lasagne you ordered, the chef tells you they listened to their (non-paying) customers, and changed the food available.

No-one would ever go to that restaurant more than once.

I get what you are trying to say, but your food analogy is flawed, because in a restaurant each customer orders for themselves, and a mech pack is the same for everybody.. so your analogy would only be ok if the restaurant sold lasagna exclusively.

I don't think it would be ok to get a refund on a mech that's been in the game this long exclusively for paying customers.. it's like "ok I've had this exclusive experience, now I want my money back".. not cool..

And as I said, it's in the terms of use that they can modify anything as they see fit.. so.. yeah.. probably not gonna happen..

But good luck.

P.S.

Can anyone who's requested (and got) a refund on the Blood Asp as a result of the incoming changes come forward and speak up?

Edited by Vellron2005, 18 June 2018 - 11:27 PM.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Vellron2005, on 18 June 2018 - 11:26 PM, said:

I get what you are trying to say, but your food analogy is flawed, because in a restaurant each customer orders for themselves, and a mech pack is the same for everybody.. so your analogy would only be ok if the restaurant sold lasagna exclusively.

I'm pretty sure I can buy other 'mechs than the Blood Asp in the store

[Dogstar]

Vellron2005, on 18 June 2018 - 11:26 PM, said:

Can anyone who's requested (and got) a refund on the Blood Asp as a result of the incoming changes come forward and speak up?

Generally speaking you're not meant to put this sort of communication with the support team on the forum

and anyone who may want a refund may also be waiting to see what the revised model actually looks like (or if PGI will come to their senses) before finalizing said refund.

[MTier Slayed Up]

Tarogato, on 15 June 2018 - 01:20 PM, said:

fwiw, I don't think I've said a word publicly, but absolutely support the model update to match the concept art. The stubby mounts look dumb, the long and tall mounts look badass.

Aesthetics first, and then gameplay considerations second. Otherwise a lot of our mechs would look a lot less interesting.

And mind you, people who object to something are a lot more likely to be vocal about it than the people who nod along in silent approval.

Finally someone said it!

Piloting this mech is amazingly fun, but it doesn't exactly strike fear into me when I see it wobbling like a penguin or an overweight fat man leaving IHOBBLE. I'll be more than happy to rock the extended torsos, to hell with what other folks say about it, make it look like something that you'll poop your pants when you turn the corner.

[Angel of Annihilation]

DrtyDshSoap, on 19 June 2018 - 01:46 AM, said:

Finally someone said it!

Piloting this mech is amazingly fun, but it doesn't exactly strike fear into me when I see it wobbling like a penguin or an overweight fat man leaving IHOBBLE. I'll be more than happy to rock the extended torsos, to hell with what other folks say about it, make it look like something that you'll poop your pants when you turn the corner.

And you will probably be one of the first complaining that the STs need +15 armor quirks because they keep getting shot off every time you take it into a fight. Just something to think about here, you can look as scary as you want but if your easily put down in a very short time, no one is going to be scared of you anymore. Just look at the Direwolf. That mech can carry more firepower than god but is anyone really afraid of it when they come across it on the opposing team?

[Dogstar]

Viktor Drake, on 19 June 2018 - 07:27 AM, said:

And you will probably be one of the first complaining that the STs need +15 armor quirks because they keep getting shot off every time you take it into a fight. Just something to think about here, you can look as scary as you want but if your easily put down in a very short time, no one is going to be scared of you anymore. Just look at the Direwolf. That mech can carry more firepower than god but is anyone really afraid of it when they come across it on the opposing team?

don't bother replying to him, he just puts everything down.

[Vesper11]

So if a mech you bought gets nerfed it's fine to ask for refunds? That's like asking for p2w, what a ****** thread.

[Agent of Change]

I still find it hilarious that this change, to make the mech look like it shoudl have in the first place as it was sold to folks in the pre-sale art, is referred to as a nerf...

No No don't quote me i don't care about how right you are because hitboxes, side torsos blah blah blah.

I just think it's hilarious.

*edited for spelling and grammar*

Edited by Agent of Change, 19 June 2018 - 08:35 AM.

[The pessimistic optimist]

I find sometimes bad geometry can work in your favor sometimes. Like my Orion's I build those around the ballistic hardpoints that were my main firepower is. But everyone almost always aim for missiles side because it easy to hit. Leave my main weapons alone.

[MTier Slayed Up]

Viktor Drake, on 19 June 2018 - 07:27 AM, said:

And you will probably be one of the first complaining that the STs need +15 armor quirks because they keep getting shot off every time you take it into a fight. Just something to think about here, you can look as scary as you want but if your easily put down in a very short time, no one is going to be scared of you anymore. Just look at the Direwolf. That mech can carry more firepower than god but is anyone really afraid of it when they come across it on the opposing team?

I'll be more than happy to prove you wrong if the changes come into place.

[Jatix]

I CANT PAY TO WIN NOW. GIVE REFUND NOW

lol... And this is why this game is going downhill...

[Nightbird]

Any pics? Patch up

[MTier Slayed Up]

Firing up a match to see how I do. Only got off work a little bit ago and i plan to sleep, I'll post the results shortly.

[Snowhawk]

Viktor Drake, on 19 June 2018 - 07:27 AM, said:

And you will probably be one of the first complaining that the STs need +15 armor quirks because they keep getting shot off every time you take it into a fight. Just something to think about here, you can look as scary as you want but if your easily put down in a very short time, no one is going to be scared of you anymore. Just look at the Direwolf. That mech can carry more firepower than god but is anyone really afraid of it when they come across it on the opposing team?

Yep…. Viktor is Right. Some People call the Direwolf just "Direpup". But hey.... just wait and see.
GG to the "Fashion-Warriors".. you crippled your own mech.

[Nightbird]

OH MY GOD THOSE STs

[MTier Slayed Up]

It's doable. I still like it, pretty good hill humper. ECM is what makes this mech work though.

Edit - There was another Blood Asp in this game without the mounted ST's. I'm pretty sure laser vom will lower your scale.

Edited by DrtyDshSoap, 19 June 2018 - 10:48 AM.

[Spheroid]

I was in that match. I was shooting it with dual HPPC. Seemed no more fragile than Blood Asps previously.