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[Thanos Kerensky]

So, I got a 0-10 streak today (10 losses in 10 matches) doing solo queue for Quick Play matches. The teams were just...incomprehensibly bad, and maybe I was too, but seriously...10/10 losses? And it's been like that since I went back into the game after a long period of absence. I win maybe, AT BEST, about 20% of the matches that I play. I literally believe that in 1 month I will be Tier 5 from 3, again.

I just want to hear people's experiences on the subject of queuing solo for quick play with random people., because mine are unbelievably bad, to the point where I'm seriously considering of quitting the game altogether. It's one thing to lose even 60% of your games, it's another to have an entire weekend of being facerolled in every game. I don't mind losing but I have much better things to do than lose ALL the time.

I just want to see if indeed there are people out there who have the exact opposite experiences and I would be very interesting in hearing how did they achieve that.

Maybe this is just a rant but today was a seriously f'd up MWO day.

Cheers

Edited by Thanos Kerensky, 04 June 2018 - 12:51 PM.

[Villainy]

It's not just you. MM has been all kinds of ****** up lately my friend. Welcome back from your break. MWO is almost as bad as 2012-2013 when it comes to solo queue. I was in a game a couple days ago. I was the only one on my team with a membership to a unit, and with a title. 9/12 players were in obvious Trial mechs.

We faced Bows3r. And the rest of his 2017 WC homebros.

I bet you can imagine the outcome. MM has been all kinds of wonky. If the term buckets was literal, I'd say PGI kicked them over and is jumping in the puddle.

[RickySpanish]

We are in the same tier, seems like business as usual to me. What 'Mechs are you using? Maybe the MM just went face down *** up today? I found that curiously, I began to do better when I took on a more positive outlook, even when there's a lance of poverty Novas on your team. I tend to greet everyone on the team in voice chat, and offer my condolences on a loss. I don't talk to the reds though, they deserve only bullets.

[Tatula]

Tier 3 will potentially play against all the other tiers, so if you're playing against tier 1 and 2, you are going to have to step up your game to keep up. On the other hand, if you're playing against tier 4 and 5, you'll have to step up your game to carry. So either way, get gud . Seriously... it depends a lot on the MM lottery. You'll get losing streaks and then winning streaks. Even tier 1 get potatoes for team mates sometimes.

[Asym]

I believe as the population dwindles, new skill leaves the game and old still becomes dominant... We are distilling, condensing towards > skill and maturity which is producing > amounts of poorer quality matches because there seriously aren't enough new players to make a difference..... And, a great many T2 and T3's have left the game..... Everything in the middle are gone to other games or just playing events.... That leaves a HUGE disparity and we are seeing extreme results.

The "holy crap" that was a vicious stomp win to the WTF was that; losing stomp.... And, it will get a lot worse when MW5 drops..... I hope, there is something left to play events on? I hated waiting for the "next MW" stand alone game !

[Cnaiur]

Aloha, on 04 June 2018 - 01:12 PM, said:

Tier 3 will potentially play against all the other tiers, so if you're playing against tier 1 and 2, you are going to have to step up your game to keep up. On the other hand, if you're playing against tier 4 and 5, you'll have to step up your game to carry. So either way, get gud . Seriously... it depends a lot on the MM lottery. You'll get losing streaks and then winning streaks. Even tier 1 get potatoes for team mates sometimes.

EVEN T1? Believe me, the tater fields do not go away at T1. If anything, they’re worse because the match maker expects YOU to carry.

Sorry OP, I feel your pain, but unless you can carry, you’re at the mercy of your teammates, and that’s not a great place to be. Maybe try using your best assault mech? Means there’s one less slot for some clueless guy to wind up on your team in his bracket built Awesome.

[RickySpanish]

I'm currently carrying in my Awesome 9M.

[Cloves]

Seeing many folks complain about getting stomped 10-20 games in a row. My advice is:

1. Take a break, you are getting stressed out and worked up, it’s probably affecting your ability.
2. Are you really getting that many consecutive losses, or just getting fixated on your losses over your wins?
3. Change the mech you are in, maybe try a build that you are more comfortable in that is mastered.
4. Radically change what you are doing. Are you a poker? Try staying abrest an assault, play like a medium for a game or two. Are you a brawler? Try changing to a lighter weight mech.
5. Troll a bit. Bring that 6LL stalker, that 12 er small laser nova, that MRM locust. Get your fun back.

[Thanos Kerensky]

Fast responses is faster than a speeding autocannon .

On the Tier thing, I read someone, inside a game, saying that the Tiers have all been pooled together now with no restrictions. Meaning that even a Tier 1 will get Tier 5's and 4's to play with, etc. I'm not sure if that's the case, so I can't really comment.

As for the carrying the Team, I'm all for that, whenever and however I can, but it's not always that simple. In one of the conquest matches, to give an example, I rushed to get our second flag and when I got that (with an Ebon Jaguar) THAT'S when the lights in my team STARTED MOVING...In the game the lights and the mediums did nothing to ninja the opposing flags and I said f*** it, I'll do it. And I did. I took 2 flags and we won. The result? I lost points from my Tier bar because I did not do enough dmg, even though I was, not the only, but the main reason that we won the game, since we won by collecting points.

So, I'm cool with carrying when I can, but it's not that simple since the game is not that simple. There are strategies that have to be followed, to the letter. Literally in 90% of the games I played, I was the FIRST mech in the objectives...And I am piloting an Ebon Jaguar at this point.

There are other times, that are more numerous when it is actually impossible to carry a team. If you start a skirmish and in the first 2 minutes the score is 1-6 there is not much that you can do except try to push your dmg so you won't lose many points. And the vast majority of the games start like that, even in games that my team wins. It's actually ridiculous at this point. Within the first 2-3 minutes you know who will win simply by watching the kills.

@Cloves: Yes I am Cloves, I have a habit of documenting stuff like that in games. IN SWTOR I documented hundreds of PvP battles in both sides just to check the environment (fyi, Empire is winning 33% of the bg's, Republic has a 25%, when I played). Today it was a flat 0-10 for me. Yesterday I had a 5-12 streak, Saturday was 2-10. But I will try to stay positive, although it is not that easy. Life is not easy as it is, I don't need more stress in my life than I already have.

Edited by Thanos Kerensky, 04 June 2018 - 01:51 PM.

[Bud Crue]

In re the comments about tiers, MM and who is dropping with whom:

https://mwomercs.com...pdate-30052018/

Just an FYI. Who knows what is really going on and what has actually been changed (if anything) but the above link is to Paul’s comments on what he/PGI has been working on in terms of MM performance.

[Thanos Kerensky]

Bud Crue, on 04 June 2018 - 01:53 PM, said:

In re the comments about tiers, MM and who is dropping with whom:

https://mwomercs.com...pdate-30052018/

Just an FYI. Who knows what is really going on and what has actually been changed (if anything) but the above link is to Paul’s comments on what he/PGI has been working on in terms of MM performance.

I read it now and I realized that I am at the worst Tier possible at this point, Tier 3, which plays with every available Tier in the game...nice...I have already figured out the mech tonnage rule, which was actually the more balanced thing possible they could do.

[LoveWisdom]

I had close to a 2 years hiatus and returned to the game only about 2 weeks ago. Needed a couple of games to get used to the mechanics and gameplay again but doing all fine now. I play solo queue only, so i do know very well how it is in those games and I can imagine in T3 it might be even worse. I can't really remember ever having such a bad losing streak b/c when I do have one that's usually when I try out different builds and mechs. But I always have a back-up mech I resort to to "carry" me to victory which used to be the Direwolf dual gauss + lasers build; nowadays it's the Mad Cat II Deathstrike with pretty much the same build.

So here are some tips I hope will help you a little bit.

1. improve your piloting (torso twisting), aiming, positioning skills (observe minimap).

2. pilot "good" mechs with optimal builds, preferably an assault mech b/c it has more firepower and more armor meaning you do more damage and stay alive longer to carry the game more.

3. take responsibility and use ingame voice chat to give commands (for when to push, hold position, where to go etc.) or call out targets e.g. "bravo in the open" or "bravo ct open", alert the team to a light in the back etc.

4. stick with your team and don't wander off unless you're in a light mech. It is not primarily your job to capture points (conquest) or get in the circle first (in domination) when you're in a heavy or an assault!

I think the 3rd advice is a rather simple but very effective one since it's a team game and communication is everything.

Edited by LoveWisdom, 04 June 2018 - 02:12 PM.

[Cloves]

Thanos Kerensky, on 04 June 2018 - 01:45 PM, said:

Fast responses is faster than a speeding autocannon .

On the Tier thing, I read someone, inside a game, saying that the Tiers have all been pooled together now with no restrictions. Meaning that even a Tier 1 will get Tier 5's and 4's to play with, etc. I'm not sure if that's the case, so I can't really comment.

As for the carrying the Team, I'm all for that, whenever and however I can, but it's not always that simple. In one of the conquest matches, to give an example, I rushed to get our second flag and when I got that (with an Ebon Jaguar) THAT'S when the lights in my team STARTED MOVING...In the game the lights and the mediums did nothing to ninja the opposing flags and I said f*** it, I'll do it. And I did. I took 2 flags and we won. The result? I lost points from my Tier bar because I did not do enough dmg, even though I was, not the only, but the main reason that we won the game, since we won by collecting points.

So, I'm cool with carrying when I can, but it's not that simple since the game is not that simple. There are strategies that have to be followed, to the letter. Literally in 90% of the games I played, I was the FIRST mech in the objectives...And I am piloting an Ebon Jaguar at this point.

There are other times, that are more numerous when it is actually impossible to carry a team. If you start a skirmish and in the first 2 minutes the score is 1-6 there is not much that you can do except try to push your dmg so you won't lose many points. And the vast majority of the games start like that, even in games that my team wins. It's actually ridiculous at this point. Within the first 2-3 minutes you know who will win simply by watching the kills.

@Cloves: Yes I am Cloves, I have a habit of documenting stuff like that in games. IN SWTOR I documented hundreds of PvP battles in both sides just to check the environment (fyi, Empire is winning 33% of the bg's, Republic has a 25%, when I played). Today it was a flat 0-10 for me. Yesterday I had a 5-12 streak, Saturday was 2-10. But I will try to stay positive, although it is not that easy. Life is not easy as it is, I don't need more stress in my life than I already have.

First thing I notice is that you are playing for the objectives. Stop. The only real objective based scenario is escort, and even that one is traditionally won by killing every member on the opposing team. Yes, that means you will lose on conquest by points from time to time, but PGI decided that was thier concession to lights, to keep thier minds off thier nerfs. If you are playing a Ebon Jag, you have one role in every game. Stay with your team and poke the enemy to death. As a heavy, stick near your assaults, let the mediums kill enemy lights, you kill mediums, heavys, and assaults. Talk on comms, tell folks who you are killing so they can help, mention when targets have open armor locations. Call out when you see an enemy light, but don’t chase them.

[Xeno Phalcon]

Its all about luck sadly but taking the initiative can be all the difference. Yesterday was on one of the newer maps....rublite? rubicon? shape planet.

Anyways our team was clearly in a bad possition and soon to be overwhelmed till I noticed our banshee break off to the left to try flanking, I took my enforcer up to support him and we swung around and ran face first into what would have been a lethal flank manuever by the enemy team. Turned into a poke n shoot for awhile till the rest of our team folded in on the flankers and we began rapidly chewing them up into peicemeal till I was going toe to toe with a blood asp.

Which would have probably gone bad long term, but as we are pummeling each other the banshee I had followed rounded a building behind said blood asp and well it was a predictable outcome after that.

[xX PUG Xx]

TBH I cannot stand QP, never really could but lately I HAVE to play in a Light if I want to get a match inside 10 minutes of searching.

When I do get into a QP match the level of DERP is unbelievable at times: not to say I'm a top comp player, far from it but the number of "T1/2 only" games are very few and far between. I could certainly believe it's possible to lose 10 games in a row but in those situations you have to look to your own performance and extract as good a Match score and Damage score (therefore CBill's) from the drop as possible.

Git Gud sounds harsh but if it dictates doing the best you can in a given situation then it's true.

[RickySpanish]

It's definitely gotten a bit rough tonight!

[TWIAFU]

Thanos Kerensky, on 04 June 2018 - 12:50 PM, said:

So, I got a 0-10 streak today (10 losses in 10 matches) doing solo queue for Quick Play matches. The teams ...

Had to stop right there Thanos. You have no 'team' in QP, you have a 'side'.

If you are looking for your 'side' working together as a whole thus forming a 'team', QP is not the place for it.

Use QP as a tool to test Mechs, make some C-bills, have some fun.

If you are serious about being part of a team and having a far better experience in MWO, seek out a Unit of like minded players. Get Teamspeak and join any one of the numerous hubs. MWO is like every other online game in one very simple aspect; it is a hell of a lot more fun with friends!

[Zh0u]

Yup, past few days is really really bad, like rock bottom bad.

[Cnaiur]

Yeah, sometimes you’re just screwed by the MM and there’s nothing you or anybody else could do. Other times your team carries you and it doesn’t matter if you bother moving let alone shooting. But there are a lot of matches where neither is the case and that’s why good players have much better W/L ratios than bad players. Good players drive wins through their play. If you’re losing way, way more than you’re winning as the sample size approaches 80 games or so, the problem is you.

[Spheroid]

Who cares, the payout on a loss is nearly identical to a win. QP is meaningless, meaningless. Mechanically the combat is identical.

You're only out double XP on a first win of the day and after last weekend how important is that? All 430+ of my mechs are fully mastered. QP is only for leveling and the Hellspawn seems like garbage. I doubt I will even drop in it for a month.

Edited by Spheroid, 04 June 2018 - 04:38 PM.